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Thanks for your advice.
I compared it to a 2002 TL....and their seats have stretch marks too...albeit smaller ones.
This topic/problem has come up earlier ...earlier this year there was some discussion of it. You can search it.
- Rob
I don't recall purchasing any unique package with the car, just the standard TL (non-Nav). Any thoughts, ideas, recommendations?
Thanks, Rob
The TL is a FWD car with traction control. The traction control does not increase traction, so much as it reduces slippage (it stops power to the slipping tire, I believe). FWD cars get better traction than RWD b/c there is more weight (gravity) over the powered tires. Still, if you experience a lot fo snow and ice, it'd be wise to get winter tires. From what I understand, it's generally a storage problem more than a cost problem b/c by using winter tires, you are prolonging the life of your non-winter tires.
Do you experience freezing rain or black ice? If so forget it with all season tires.
The key to winter driving is moderation: gentle starts, allows lots of stopping room. Also hope that other idiot does the same.
I've owned Toyotas and Nissans for 35 years and some vehicles I've had for 12 years and 180,000 miles and the interiors looked better than a 1-2 yr. old TL. It's incredible. If you are not having interior problems, you are in the minority and should consider yourself EXTREMELY fortunate.
I've spent several weekends cruising the back lots of 4-5 Acura dealers looking at '04 and up TL's. I've seen at least 15 TL's and they have ALL had one or more of the following problems:
1) Cracked / stretched leather
2) Dinged center consoles
3) Faded / milky / blotchy dashboards
4) Passenger side dashboard. Airbag either SUNKEN or the airbag unit outline beginning to show.
I must admit that the owners of these vehicles might have them at the dealer for these very reasons. I did not talk to the owners.
I know the car has other fine attributes but it's hard to overlook these interior problems. I also know that the car is still on my shopping list but it is now at the bottom of that list and the G35 has risen to the top. I'm trying to persuade my wife that we can afford an M35. I've got my fingers crossed ! Meanwhile, my advice to Acura is " DO SOMETHING " !!! IMHO of course.
A better snow rated all-season would probably be an improvement/alternative if you didn't want to do the changeover, check tirerack.com for reviews.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
It stinks that such a great interior has been marred for some with these issues. One of the reasons I bought the TL over the G35 was the superior interion style/materials...
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
So Laurasdada, what tires did you wind up buying for your TL? (Others please chime in too!) Also, what did you do, put new rims AND tires on the car? Or did you just have the tire place swap out the tires on the same rims? Thanks!
- Rob
After having railed on about the Bridgestone's more than once, I've done, well, nothing! I'm going to soldier on this winter with the tires and, as I did last winter, rely on my (too) many years of snow-driving experience, FWD, TC/ABS and, of course, snow plows to keep my path straight and true.
If, however, I feel it's just too dangerous, I will probably buy a set of highly snow-rated all seasons as I don't want to store/change-over to snows. As I've mentioned, I've always driven FWD w/o snows in snow country and done just fine. If I had a RWD, I would do snow tires. Again, with the Bridgetones, joke's on me as I chose the TL over the G because of FWD (well, one of several reasons why I chose the TL).
When the Turanza's time comes, though, they shall not be renewed on my TL.
I'm not saying this is the best plan, Rob, but for now it's my plan. Bring on the snow, I'm ready to hit the slopes!!! In the wife's AWD RX300, of course.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
- Rob
HP tires have shorter sidewalss, so wouldn't that mean the rims a different? Maybe not the looks of the rims, but the actual size? If so, you'll need to consider that. After my HP Potenzas were done, I switched to Goodyear Eagle F-1s and have been very happy. They handle the same as the Potenzas, and are more comfortable.
Foregoing the HPT package and getting even better high performance tires makes some sense. Except that, unless you do that immediately and essentially throw out the standard tires, you are stuck with poor performing tires vs. moderately good ones. Perhaps they have imporved the standard tires, but when I bought my TL in May 2004, there were a lot of complaints about the standard tires being noisy, flat spotting, etc.
I replaced the HPT Potenzas at 19,000 miles with Avon Tech M500's recommended by Tire Rack. That was a little early (3,000-5,000 miles left), but I needed to replace one tire due to a slow leak. I also went up[ to 245 widths (still 45s) to better fit the relatively wide wheels of the TL. The speedometer read 3+/- mph too high at 65 mph, so the slightly larger tire diameter actually helps close that inaccuracy. The Avon's ran a total of about $550 for 4, plus $80 for mounting, balancing and dumping the old tires.
So you can go with HPT at $200 and have decent high performance tires for 20-25k miles. Or you can forego HPT and spend $650+/- for very good high performance tires whenever you make the switch.
In Nov 03, bought 4 winter tires and alloy rims for wife's 04 TL from Tire Rack for about $1K. Will be putting on soon for third season. We get about 3-3.5 months snow/ice. Tires are Dunlop Winter Sport M2 205/50HR17 for smaller footprint, but approx same circumference. Rims are ASA. Loss of skidpad handling/interstate ramps with 205 vs stock size is not a big deal. Most times in winter months, the ramps/roads have a glaze of salt residue that precludes trying to drive with gusto. Have been very pleased with snow/ice/dry performance.
It is a hassle to store extra set of rims/tires, but it is well worth it in terms of extra margin of safety in handling - starting, turning, stopping, straight ahead stability in ice/snow. I put on/take off tires myself. One thing about 04-06 TL is that they are very low at the sill and you have to finagle your floor jack to get it exactly under the jacking plates to avoid damaging the bodywork in that area.
i recently noticed a very light and annoying rattle under the hood as well. i have a 2005 TL and i noticed that it occurs only when i accelerate and everyone I tell about it can't hear what I am describing. it doesn't sound serious, but it's extremely annoying to me. it sounds very "american"-much like a beat up oldsmobile I used to drive. have you talked to acura about it?
- 303 Aerospace Protectant
- Meguiars NXT Tech Protectant
- Zaino Leather in a bottle
- Lexol leather conditioner
- Pro Honda Vinly/Leather Protectant
I used Maguires wipes on my dash (and the seats) and it looks like new. Maguires as a brand has a much better reputation than Armorall. As do the high end products that spend more money on ingrediants and research than marketing.
So the squeaks and rattles crowd here is either fussier than the average CR responder, or a skewed sample -- people who are happy with their cars are out driving them, not posting messages on websites.
- Rob
That's how it is in Fla - you only need 1 so you only get 1. I bet that if you look around and see all the cars having 2 plates, it's becasue that's required by law.
As an aside, in the US, 1 plate v. 2 is a state issue, so you may need to look at the rules of your various provinces, as opposed to national law, if that's what you were planning to do.
Would you be getting lesser fidelity in that iPod supposedly not true CD high fidelity sound as you are getting from CD player and Bose system?
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
If you got this much snow to put up with, you ought to really consider snow tires on separate rims. Peace of mind, safety, etc.
I'm considering a couple of options. However, being a life-long New Englander, skier and snow driver my first plan is to stick with the Bridgestones until their natural tread life is over. Then replace with a set of all-seasons that are highly rated for snow. I've always driven FWD w/all seasons and gotten hither and yon without incident. FWD, common sense, snow driving skill and plain ol' good luck I suppose! I bought the FWD over the G35 for just the snow reason. I considered the G35x but chose the TL for a number of reasons.
Last winter was my first with the TL/Turanza's and they are probably the poorest tires in the snow that I can remember. But, I made it through a (record, or close to it) snowy winter here in Boston with adjustments to my driving for the tires. I will post updates as I spend more time in my beloved white stuff! Beloved for viewing and skiing, that is. Not so much for shoveling or driving in!
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)