the accord is not a better car than the camry. It is just your opinion. camry is the the number one best selling car in the US and not to mention the Number one most stolen car in California where I live. Better handling...maybe, but not better steering wheel feel, it is not as quiet as the camry, the suspension is not as good as the camry, camry has nice quality interiors too (camry looks very classy) bigger trunk than the accord and not to mention a way better looking car than the the accords nasty exterior. Camry also has a very very solid feel to it and feels like you are driving an expensive car....... It looks very similar to the Lexus ES330 and a lot of my friends have mistaken it for a lexus
the key on the accord is huge. they incorporate the opener into the end of the key, not a seperate fob like the camry. try keeping that in your pocket for a while and you will see what i mean.
mileage on the 05 camry is better than the 03 accord. i am talking about actual mileage that i am getting. the transmission seems to be geared lower so that i get better mileage over the same commute. "epa estimates" aside i am getting 4 more miles per gallon right now.
the cup holders are better in the camry. they are covered when not in use. they also have a holder bar that flips up out of the way to make the cupholder a rectangular storage area, with a cover.
the arm rest is bigger and more accessible to driver/passenger sharing it.
the door locks are better. the accord has them on the top of the door. riding with your elbow on the window sill puts that button right in your elbow.
the camry has a automatic locking feature that is locks the doors when you shift into gear. the door unlocks when you open it, not after you unlock it and then open it like the accord. it is just better design.
don't believe the hogwash on the trunk. the accord trunk has a shorter lid and the rear seat folds down as one piece. the camry has a larger trunk and the seats fold down independently and conveniently. try to fold down the seat in the accord. you have to insert the mega-key into a lock in the rear deck. not a good design.
i've owned both. camry is better. of course this is jmho...but true.
I do keep the Accord key in my pocket everyday and love it. I never have to search for my key. I feel it and boom it is ready to go no 2nd piece keyfobs to worry about. It cannot be confused for any other key on my keyring. My car, a 03 Accord, was rated at 34/26 better than any available 05 Camry. I get with a mix of city and highway, 30 mpg. I get 33-36 on highway trips. I have rarely seen anything that high from any Camry. What do you get in your Camry, and what did you get in the Accord? Does the Camry have the Auto Up drivers window? For me that is a feature I use multiple times daily. Camry is a good car, but the interior appearance is pure Buick - at least they improved the dash lighting for 05.
I'm glad you like your Camry but there are many of us here that vastly prefer the Accord. The two cars are very close and each car has some things that the other car doesn't. I've driven the 4 and 6-cylinder versions of both cars and liked the V6 Accord the best. Which car is "better" is a matter of personal preference and entirely subjective.
Looking at both cars to buy a 4cyl auto. Noticed these differences:
Camry has the following, Accord doesnt;
-outside temp. guage. why does honda cheap out here?
-power drivers seat. ditto
-larger trunk
- full size spare
- longer powertrain warranty
- middle rear headrest
Accord has, Camry doesnt:
-standard head airbags (available on camry)kudos to honda
-lighted vanity mirrors
-backseat pocket
The camry rides softer,quieter. The accord handles better. Looks are subjective. Tough choice. I currently have a 99 camry with 171k miles. I may choose Accord just for a change. Both good cars.
-exhaust pipe that doesn't hang down below the car
-front bumper without plugs where fog-lights go on some models
-standard carpet mats
The outside temperature gauge is a low-cost Honda accessory for those who want it. I paid $84 and installed it myself.
I thread my car in and out of a tight garage every day and I'm glad my mirrors will fold in the one out of a thousand times that I misjudge the clearance. In a Camry, a mistake like that would mean a trip to the body shop and maybe a house repair too. Sure I could just be extra careful but over the life of the car I'd have to be extra careful more than six thousand times. Not a deal-breaker for the Camry but still another plus for the Accord, no?
Also, the Camry doesn't lack an auto-up driver's window because Toyota didn't think of it. Rather, Toyota wanted to avoid the expense of the necessary auto-reversing safety mechanism. Personally, I find the cost-cutting more evident on the Camry than I do on the Accord.
A couple of days ago I had the opportunity to sit in a 03-04? Camry SE. It was a nice car. Seemed very well put together with nice materials. But nothing in that car said "let's go for a spin". It was just there. Nice car, but kinda "so what" for my tastes.
Admittedly, the last Camry I test drove was a 02 LE automatic and it was a nice ride. However, it was not a car I would be happy with nor would I look forward to driving it.
I am on my third 03+ Accord and they have all been terrific cars. My latest is a 04 EX-L manual sedan. Incredible interior, terrific engine, best-in-class manual transmission, great gas mileage, fun-to-drive, etc are all descriptions of what my Accord is to ME. Someone else might feel differently. That't the beauty of a free market. YOu can choose something different. Heck, some people buy Azteks and love them.
As far as the Camry being the best seller in the US so it must be better logic ... the Camry has a much higher number of fleet sales. I have already seen $1500 rebates offered on 05 Camrys along with low finance rates. I have yet to see a cash rebate offer on the Accord. So maybe a lot of people on the edge opt for the Camry because Toyota (in their quest to be #1) is willing to pay more for the "best-selling car" title. I guess Camry owners on Edmunds do need at least one bragging right though.
The Acord also has a higher figure than Camry: 1.68 dead drivers compared to 1 for Camry per million registered miles.
The injury rates were not mentioned but you can imagine for yourself!
Read post #1850:
In this measure, the Camry is rated the best among all sedans, even besting the Volvo 850. Compared to the Camry's Drivers' Death Rate normalized as 1, rates in other cars are higher: Nissan Maxima 1.32, Mercedez C-Class 1.40, Mazda 626 1.59, Accord 1.68, Altima 2.11, Avalon 2.16...
Peterpan doesn't include the ages of the Accords and Camrys studied so we can only imagine how old the cars are that generated his statistics. Not to mention the differences in driver's ages.
I'll save you the trouble of imagining or looking it up - the stats are derived from 1994-1997 model year cars - 2.9 million Accords vs. only 355,158 Camrys (with a higher statistical margin for error noted). The IIHS report notes that there are many factors which can skew the stats. The authors also note many inconsistencies in their own data.
More value for your money is a pretty good braggin right. A comparable Accord was around $2500 more than the Camry when I was out shopping. That's nothing to sneeze at.
And if that's a result of "Toyota wanting to be #1," well...who cares? Consumers benefit.
I do not believe there is a big difference currently in purchase price. You can probably get an Accord LX auto for around $18,500. Can you get a Camry LE auto w/side airbags for much less ? The invoices are almost identical.
Manufacturers still use the same engineering staff and practices, manufacturing equipment, materials and methods, components etc... in design and manufacturing their cars.
Basic elements of products are carried over from older to newer products for decades.
There is no reason to believe car's safety trends would not continue in newer models.
Perhaps you can produce better stats than criticising the only stats thus far on safety!
Of all the reasons to buy or not buy a particular model, I can't think of one less important to me than driver death rate stats. If that's a real concern, you should probably be taking public transportation. I'll bet the death rate per passenger mile on your city bus is lower than Accord or Camry.
I've noticed a few mistakes in indicating what a Camry does not have. I guess it depends on which model you are talking about. I'm picking up my 2005 XLE 4cyl on Saturday. It DOES have the following:
* Lighted vanity mirrors (with dimmer)
* Auto up window (I tried it out)
* Back seat pockets
* Lighted controls for locks, windows, etc
* I believe, but am not positive that it has folding mirrors as well.
Just wanted to clarify that the Camry does have those nice options.
Point for point, I was comparing the volume sellers; Accord LX vs. Camry LE. However, for all trim levels, I stand by my statement that I find cost-cutting to be more evident on the Camry.
That could very well be that Camry "cuts more corners" on lower trim levels, but I guess I wasn't interested in them anyway. The one deal breaker for me (very subjective, I know) was the looks of the Accord. I don't like it from the front at all and the trunk doesn't look the best to me. I think it's great that the companies are so competitive that we all win :-) Whether you want a better ride or better handling, you can--hopefully you like the look of the car (if that matters) whose options you want.
if they could put the accord seats in the camry then you would have the perfect car....but that slight is probably just another way that toyota is cutting corners. jmho
I owned a '96 Camry V6 LE. My sister-in-law has a '98 Camry V6 LE which I drive occasionally. Both drive like a boat. That's why I'm a proud owner of a '04 Accord EX V6. My Camry wasn't nearly bullet proof. Things started to break after 5-6 years.
It occurred to me this morning that I have so many Camry owners to thank for the great price I got on my 2005 V6 Accord. If the Camry weren't so popular (along with the Altima, Mazda 6 and Chevy Malibu), demand for the Accord would have had me paying near MSRP for my car.
Likewise, my buying an Accord helped save you some money on buying your Camrys. Funny how that works, isn't it?
The key fob on the Accord is one of the features I love. I don't need to carry a keyring. It also lets me roll down all windows from a distance, in summer to cool down the interior
"mileage on the 05 camry is better than the 03 accord"
The 4 cyl Accord is rated higher than the 4 cyl Camry, similar for the V6s.
"the cup holders are better in the camry"
IMHO, the cup holders in the Accord are far better, as they are spring loaded and will hold any size cup tightly and without vibrations.
"the arm rest is bigger and more accessible to driver/passenger sharing it"
The armrest in the Accord is far better, it slides out towards the console, so that you can easily rest your arm on it. Try it.
"the door locks are better. the accord has them on the top of the door. riding with your elbow on the window sill puts that button right in your elbow"
I don't think you every kept your elbow on an Accord windowsill, because you would never, never touch the button with your elbow, its so far back. Again, try it.
Auto door locks is a good feature on the Camry, so is the larger trunk. I have folded down the seat ( love the seat being lockable, makes a very secure trunk) and never had a problem with what you call a 'mega' key.
Some of the other features I like in the Accord are the ride, seats, interior (IMO better quality plastics), the great gas mileage and the looks from the front. The rear is okay, but I don't hate it as many others do.
IMO, auto door locks is nice feature, however, I would think it has its downside. It is great feature to prevent carjackers. What would happen if a person is locked in a crash?
Whats your point. You can crash any car with its doors locked? And you can reprogram the locks on the Camry to not lock automatically, if you so choose.
"I don't think you every kept your elbow on an Accord windowsill, because you would never, never touch the button with your elbow, its so far back."
I think that depends on how tall the driver is (and thus how far back the seat is). Personally, I never drive with my left arm hanging out the window but, if I did, my Accord's door lock button would be in the way and I'm only 6'1".
Anyway, I too like the Accord's ignition key. Vastly preferable to having a separate keyfob and yet much smaller than the oversized VW "switchblade" style keys.
Yes it might, but I usually would not lock the door, unless i see "strangers" are walking toward my direction, I will unlock right after i get away from them
Does the TOYOTA CAMRY auto-lock is able to auto unlock during/after the accident?
Oh... that's too bad
Your thoughts are logical, but that's does not mean my driving-habit is not valid... It is great to correct someone's mistake! Here is an open-mind discussion forum! It would be great that everyone shares thoughts and ideas freely, without being criticized!
Since I think I understand you now, I'll try it again.
You can reprogram the locks on the Camry to NOT lock automatically, if you so choose. (That way, you can lock them only when you see strangers, and not worry about unlocking them after a crash)
It's okay! I always miscommunicate(without thoroughly explainating things) with others! lol...
I have no worry about being car-jacking (98 camry 4cyc), but i am more afraid of being robbed! lol ... so that why i perfer to have a simple "power lock"!
As I have always said I don't think you can make a blanket statement that either the Accord or the Camry is the better car. It's going to come down to personal preference. The Camry is a great car but so is the Accord. The Accord is a safe car but so is the Camry. The Camry is roomy but so is the Accord. You could go on and on. In the end the decision will come down to what you prefer driving. I prefer driving my Accord. I love that darn car. But I'm sure there are lots of people out there who love their Camrys just as much.
I'm wondering if this topic hasn't just about run its course until one of these vehicles gets a makeover. There haven't been too many substantive posts here lately, other than that one really good head-to-head feature comparison a week or two ago. There really isn't much that hasn't already been discussed, in some cases, multiple times.
Rumor has it though, that the next Camry will debut ahead of expectation. The last Camry debuted as an '02 MY in the Fall of 01, meaning a Fall 06 release as an '07, but I've read unconfirmed reports that the debut will be in Spring of '06... likely as an 07 if thats the case. One report had it early as fall of this year, but I find that hard to believe.
The current Camry is essentially the same as the Toyota Mark II sold in Japan.
An all-new Mark X was recently introduced there and could be close to what the next generation 2007 Camry will look like. See it at the site below--click on the small photo for more pics......Richard
___Thank you for the link The Mark X is a RWD automobile? That is not an easy transplant if they intend to make a FWD version for NA?
___As far as appearances go; it looks Jaguarish from the front end and the previous gen Acura TL from the rear to me? It will place a lot of pressure on the Accord’s total sales and pricing holdup later on this year more then likely given Toyota’s 2007 Camry release means early to mid 2006 as an actual release date.
tough choice between these two, but just learned that Toyota has a $750 rebate plus 2.9% financing, this may make the difference in choosing . plus Toyota comes with a longer warranty, power seat,and larger trunk. but of course the Accord comes with more zip, better handling, telescoping wheel. This is close. One other factor, it seems there are more camry LE's on the lots, then Accord LX's to choose from.
comparing similar hierarchy models, it seemed the Honda had a more refined interior (some of the Camry's dash trim was downright cheap). The Honda also had a "firmer" feel than the Camry (firmer seats, more robust lumbar support, etc.).
Would you mind pointing out which part(s) of the Camry's dash is "downright cheap"? I just want to know for comparison sake what your definition of cheap is. Thanks.
The Camry does have a auto up feature on the driver's window. Mine came with standard carpet mats too. Also, lets not forget that Camry has the auto dimming electrochroming rearview mirror which is so very much helpful with all those glaring lights out there UNLIKE the accord and the Camry also has the outside heated mirrors UNLIKE the accord. I would choose the Camry any day over the accord. A lot of my friends have also told me that it looks like a very high class car and is one too and with time the Camry is not going to lose its nice looks but the accord will look bland. Also...to let you know that a friend of mine just bought a brand new accord against my wish and advice and since then has regretted it because the dash in her car was misalligned and the steering wheel was crooked. She has returned the car for a Camry and not regretted it so far.
As far as i am concerned and from various magazines that I have read, the car with top notch quality interior is the Camry with its lexus like interior and then the passat and then comes the accord. But, by no means am I trying to say that the accord does not have high quality interior. All of them do.
Driving the Accord is like riding a touring bike, with a wooden seat, over rough roads!! You can feel every bump, bounce and shake.
Handling qualities in both Camry and Accord are not much to brag about, since they are both FWD.
Camry's seats are much softer, more cushiony, more comfortable, with just the right amount of back support.
The Camry's ride is much quieter and smoother, more like luxury cars. In fact the Camry's ride quality comes pretty close to the top Lexus sedans. It just has more chassis twisting and body rolling in hard maneuvers, things that are barely perceptible to experienced drivers, whereas the Lexus always feels rock solid. Unless you are familiar with the ride qualities of luxury and high-performance cars, you would never be able to discern the Camry's ride quality compared to the Accord's.
Drivers should feel more tranquil and less fatigue in a Camry, especially on long trips, for women, children and older people.
As Camry and Accord are roughly equivalent in prices, features, performance and reliability, I would favor the Camry to reduce the amount of wear and tear on the bodies and minds of drivers and riders, especially during the long hours of commute or long road trips. After all you want the car to work for you, not you working for the car!
For fun and excitement, I have plenty of computer games, some far more exciting and challenging than taking the risks of tearing up roads and terrorizing traffic with my car everyday, as a few Accord drivers think they should.
Test drive all expensive luxury cars, Lexus, Acura, MB, BMW...before buying your next cars. The guys at Jim Falk's Bevery Hills Lexus will give you a free wild ride that would proves the worth of luxury cars.
You are probably trying to say the Camry is as dull as the MB S class or Lexus LS430!
If you prefer sporty ride, buy the Camry SE.
For $1000 more than the LE, it has stiffer suspension tuned for sporty rides,quicker steering, sway bars front and rear, 4-wheel dis brakes, 16" tires, moonroof and a bunch of other standard features. You can also order the GU option which combine the Veh Stability Control and all side airbags for another $1000. Accord does not even have Stability Control option.
Most top magazines have picked the Accord over the Camry. If you look at the interior od both their volume sellers, LE and LX, the interior (IMHO) is much better in the Accord than the Camry.
Also, most publications have praised the Accords saets as some of the best around.
Having said this, both cars are great and cater to different kind of drivers, some looking for isolation, others looking for feel.
Except for the stability control (OK, I'll get that on my next car) my '04 EX-L Accord includes ALL of the features you mention along with others like a telescoping steering wheel and XM radio that weren't available on the Camry.
Not sure about this, but the Camry SE might have included one of those silly wing things on the trunk lid and I will not own any car with such junk stuck onto it.
The Camry is fine for those who want a soft car--I don't......Richard
With recent purchase experience, I'd offer following opinions (well, just opinions):
1. Because of trim differences, Accord vs. Camry comparison is best done by comparing competing trim levels. For example, I4 engine comparison and V6 engine comparison could very well yield different results. I was shopping for V6 sedan, so following opinions are for V6 sedans only.
2. In currently models, Camry has two different V6 engines. SE has newer 3.3L engine (which is similar to the one used in Toyota Sienna and Lexus RX330), other trims have older 3.0L engine. Performance wise, 3.3L SE is more comparable to Accord V6, which uses single 3.0L engine. Both Toyota 3.3L and Honda 3.0L are smooth and powerful. Toyota may sometimes hesitate at street speed acceleration (see also Sienna and RX330 discussion forums, I have experience on this), Accord maybe a bit slow on down shifting at highway speed (saves gas, I guess). I believe Accord feels a bit more responsive.
3. As you know, Toyota go by options, Honda usually only go by trim level with little options (Navigation is the only MFR option for Accord). Toyota gives more flexibility in configuration, but what one wanted in particular may not be easy to get. For V6 trims, Accord usually has a bit lower MSRP compare to similarly equipped Camry. This is often reflected on street prices as well.
4. For Camry, not all features available on XLE are available on SE. This could make a tough choice, especially when XLE cannot have the newer 3.3L engine. BTW, XLE has a nice rear A/C vent (rear of center console). Other trims don't have it. Accord has vents under front seats, mostly for heater.
5. Some posts mentioned hard ride or noisy cabin of Accord. I suspect these opinions may be influenced by older generations of Accord. In my experience, the current model of Accord doesn't feel any noiser than Camry. Some commentators are saying Accord is too isolated, actually. The ride feel are very different between Accord and Camry, indeed. Accord is taut, but not jarring. Many Acura TSX and TL buyers actually think Accord's too soft. Camry has softer feel, but it's not really that bouncy soft either (and diffrence between SE and XLE is not huge).
6. One interesting observation: many people in the forum uses closeness between Camry and Lexus to make a point that Camry is nicer, but few people use "Accord is close to Acura TL" to prove that Accord is nice car:-) Maybe Lexus is better than Acura? Maybe Accord buyers don't need such a comparison?
7. Checking many on-line magzines, they usually give edge to Accord. Maybe because it's more "driver-oriented" car?
can you name one magazine where it prefers the camry's interior over the acord's interior? the consensus of magazines i read have the passat then the accord then maybe the camry.
if lexus is your standard then the camry is for you. but lexus is known for isolating the driver and offering boring driving dynamics.
true, the camry rides softer (not better) and is quieter than the accord but the difference is small. this is more than offset by the accord's overall superior driving dynamics.
it's the accord that comes closer to the driving dynamics of expensive luxury cars (except for precious lexus), not the camry.
as for seat comfort, soft seats are not idea for long term comfort. the current accord's seats are much improved over past generations and provide excellent long term comfort.
Peterpan enjoys provoking Accord owners into defending their cars and he's very successful at it. Every week or so on this forum he throws out some biased opinion unsupported by hard data and then watches the Accord owners scramble to reply.
Look at the furor caused over his message #1885. Peterpan's warning on the terrible dangers of driving an Accord turned out to be inconclusive data taken in 1994-1997.
These posts are trolls. Unless you enjoy being baited, I'd recommend just letting him have his say - with unlimited exclamation marks.
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mileage on the 05 camry is better than the 03 accord. i am talking about actual mileage that i am getting. the transmission seems to be geared lower so that i get better mileage over the same commute. "epa estimates" aside i am getting 4 more miles per gallon right now.
the cup holders are better in the camry. they are covered when not in use. they also have a holder bar that flips up out of the way to make the cupholder a rectangular storage area, with a cover.
the arm rest is bigger and more accessible to driver/passenger sharing it.
the door locks are better. the accord has them on the top of the door. riding with your elbow on the window sill puts that button right in your elbow.
the camry has a automatic locking feature that is locks the doors when you shift into gear. the door unlocks when you open it, not after you unlock it and then open it like the accord. it is just better design.
don't believe the hogwash on the trunk. the accord trunk has a shorter lid and the rear seat folds down as one piece. the camry has a larger trunk and the seats fold down independently and conveniently. try to fold down the seat in the accord. you have to insert the mega-key into a lock in the rear deck. not a good design.
i've owned both. camry is better. of course this is jmho...but true.
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I'm glad you like your Camry but there are many of us here that vastly prefer the Accord. The two cars are very close and each car has some things that the other car doesn't. I've driven the 4 and 6-cylinder versions of both cars and liked the V6 Accord the best. Which car is "better" is a matter of personal preference and entirely subjective.
Camry has the following, Accord doesnt;
-outside temp. guage. why does honda cheap out here?
-power drivers seat. ditto
-larger trunk
- full size spare
- longer powertrain warranty
- middle rear headrest
Accord has, Camry doesnt:
-standard head airbags (available on camry)kudos to honda
-lighted vanity mirrors
-backseat pocket
The camry rides softer,quieter. The accord handles better. Looks are subjective. Tough choice. I currently have a 99 camry with 171k miles. I may choose Accord just for a change. Both good cars.
Accord has, Camry doesn't:
-auto-up feature on driver's window (nice!)
-illuminated driver's door switches
-folding side rear-view mirrors
-exhaust pipe that doesn't hang down below the car
-front bumper without plugs where fog-lights go on some models
-standard carpet mats
The outside temperature gauge is a low-cost Honda accessory for those who want it. I paid $84 and installed it myself.
I thread my car in and out of a tight garage every day and I'm glad my mirrors will fold in the one out of a thousand times that I misjudge the clearance. In a Camry, a mistake like that would mean a trip to the body shop and maybe a house repair too. Sure I could just be extra careful but over the life of the car I'd have to be extra careful more than six thousand times. Not a deal-breaker for the Camry but still another plus for the Accord, no?
Also, the Camry doesn't lack an auto-up driver's window because Toyota didn't think of it. Rather, Toyota wanted to avoid the expense of the necessary auto-reversing safety mechanism. Personally, I find the cost-cutting more evident on the Camry than I do on the Accord.
Admittedly, the last Camry I test drove was a 02 LE automatic and it was a nice ride. However, it was not a car I would be happy with nor would I look forward to driving it.
I am on my third 03+ Accord and they have all been terrific cars. My latest is a 04 EX-L manual sedan. Incredible interior, terrific engine, best-in-class manual transmission, great gas mileage, fun-to-drive, etc are all descriptions of what my Accord is to ME. Someone else might feel differently. That't the beauty of a free market. YOu can choose something different. Heck, some people buy Azteks and love them.
As far as the Camry being the best seller in the US so it must be better logic ... the Camry has a much higher number of fleet sales. I have already seen $1500 rebates offered on 05 Camrys along with low finance rates. I have yet to see a cash rebate offer on the Accord. So maybe a lot of people on the edge opt for the Camry because Toyota (in their quest to be #1) is willing to pay more for the "best-selling car" title. I guess Camry owners on Edmunds do need at least one bragging right though.
The injury rates were not mentioned but you can imagine for yourself!
Read post #1850:
In this measure, the Camry is rated the best among all sedans, even besting the Volvo 850. Compared to the Camry's Drivers' Death Rate normalized as 1, rates in other cars are higher: Nissan Maxima 1.32, Mercedez C-Class 1.40, Mazda 626 1.59, Accord 1.68, Altima 2.11, Avalon 2.16...
Peterpan doesn't include the ages of the Accords and Camrys studied so we can only imagine how old the cars are that generated his statistics. Not to mention the differences in driver's ages.
I'll save you the trouble of imagining or looking it up - the stats are derived from 1994-1997 model year cars - 2.9 million Accords vs. only 355,158 Camrys (with a higher statistical margin for error noted). The IIHS report notes that there are many factors which can skew the stats. The authors also note many inconsistencies in their own data.
But thanks, peterpan, for your ominous warning.
~alpha
And if that's a result of "Toyota wanting to be #1," well...who cares? Consumers benefit.
You should have better reasons to discount some hard stats than this!
Basic elements of products are carried over from older to newer products for decades.
There is no reason to believe car's safety trends would not continue in newer models.
Perhaps you can produce better stats than criticising the only stats thus far on safety!
* Lighted vanity mirrors (with dimmer)
* Auto up window (I tried it out)
* Back seat pockets
* Lighted controls for locks, windows, etc
* I believe, but am not positive that it has folding mirrors as well.
Just wanted to clarify that the Camry does have those nice options.
Likewise, my buying an Accord helped save you some money on buying your Camrys. Funny how that works, isn't it?
"the key on the accord is huge."
The key fob on the Accord is one of the features I love. I don't need to carry a keyring. It also lets me roll down all windows from a distance, in summer to cool down the interior
"mileage on the 05 camry is better than the 03 accord"
The 4 cyl Accord is rated higher than the 4 cyl Camry, similar for the V6s.
"the cup holders are better in the camry"
IMHO, the cup holders in the Accord are far better, as they are spring loaded and will hold any size cup tightly and without vibrations.
"the arm rest is bigger and more accessible to driver/passenger sharing it"
The armrest in the Accord is far better, it slides out towards the console, so that you can easily rest your arm on it. Try it.
"the door locks are better. the accord has them on the top of the door. riding with your elbow on the window sill puts that button right in your elbow"
I don't think you every kept your elbow on an Accord windowsill, because you would never, never touch the button with your elbow, its so far back. Again, try it.
Auto door locks is a good feature on the Camry, so is the larger trunk. I have folded down the seat ( love the seat being lockable, makes a very secure trunk) and never had a problem with what you call a 'mega' key.
Some of the other features I like in the Accord are the ride, seats, interior (IMO better quality plastics), the great gas mileage and the looks from the front. The rear is okay, but I don't hate it as many others do.
~alpha
I think that depends on how tall the driver is (and thus how far back the seat is). Personally, I never drive with my left arm hanging out the window but, if I did, my Accord's door lock button would be in the way and I'm only 6'1".
Anyway, I too like the Accord's ignition key. Vastly preferable to having a separate keyfob and yet much smaller than the oversized VW "switchblade" style keys.
Yes it might, but I usually would not lock the door, unless i see "strangers" are walking toward my direction, I will unlock right after i get away from them
Does the TOYOTA CAMRY auto-lock is able to auto unlock during/after the accident?
Oh... that's too bad
Your thoughts are logical, but that's does not mean my driving-habit is not valid... It is great to correct someone's mistake! Here is an open-mind discussion forum! It would be great that everyone shares thoughts and ideas freely, without being criticized!
You can reprogram the locks on the Camry to NOT lock automatically, if you so choose. (That way, you can lock them only when you see strangers, and not worry about unlocking them after a crash)
~alpha
I have no worry about being car-jacking (98 camry 4cyc), but i am more afraid of being robbed! lol ... so that why i perfer to have a simple "power lock"!
Rumor has it though, that the next Camry will debut ahead of expectation. The last Camry debuted as an '02 MY in the Fall of 01, meaning a Fall 06 release as an '07, but I've read unconfirmed reports that the debut will be in Spring of '06... likely as an 07 if thats the case. One report had it early as fall of this year, but I find that hard to believe.
~alpha
An all-new Mark X was recently introduced there and could be close to what the next generation 2007 Camry will look like. See it at the site below--click on the small photo for more pics......Richard
http://www.infomotori.com/a_52_IT_13721_6.html
___Thank you for the link The Mark X is a RWD automobile? That is not an easy transplant if they intend to make a FWD version for NA?
___As far as appearances go; it looks Jaguarish from the front end and the previous gen Acura TL from the rear to me? It will place a lot of pressure on the Accord’s total sales and pricing holdup later on this year more then likely given Toyota’s 2007 Camry release means early to mid 2006 as an actual release date.
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
Whatever....both Honda and Camry sell very well.
Handling qualities in both Camry and Accord are not much to brag about, since they are both FWD.
Camry's seats are much softer, more cushiony, more comfortable, with just the right amount of back support.
The Camry's ride is much quieter and smoother, more like luxury cars. In fact the Camry's ride quality comes pretty close to the top Lexus sedans. It just has more chassis twisting and body rolling in hard maneuvers, things that are barely perceptible to experienced drivers, whereas the Lexus always feels rock solid. Unless you are familiar with the ride qualities of luxury and high-performance cars, you would never be able to discern the Camry's ride quality compared to the Accord's.
Drivers should feel more tranquil and less fatigue in a Camry, especially on long trips, for women, children and older people.
As Camry and Accord are roughly equivalent in prices, features, performance and reliability, I would favor the Camry to reduce the amount of wear and tear on the bodies and minds of drivers and riders, especially during the long hours of commute or long road trips. After all you want the car to work for you, not you working for the car!
For fun and excitement, I have plenty of computer games, some far more exciting and challenging than taking the risks of tearing up roads and terrorizing traffic with my car everyday, as a few Accord drivers think they should.
Test drive all expensive luxury cars, Lexus, Acura, MB, BMW...before buying your next cars. The guys at Jim Falk's Bevery Hills Lexus will give you a free wild ride that would proves the worth of luxury cars.
No, I don't work for Toyota!
And yes, the Accord rides harder but is more of a driver's car and less of a passenger's car.
Fortunately, both the Camry and Accord are excellent cars with respect to reliability and resale value.
With respect to seats, the leather seats in the Accord are about the best available IMO....Richard
If you prefer sporty ride, buy the Camry SE.
For $1000 more than the LE, it has stiffer suspension tuned for sporty rides,quicker steering, sway bars front and rear, 4-wheel dis brakes, 16" tires, moonroof and a bunch of other standard features. You can also order the GU option which combine the Veh Stability Control and all side airbags for another $1000. Accord does not even have Stability Control option.
The SE is the best buy for Camry.
Also, most publications have praised the Accords saets as some of the best around.
Having said this, both cars are great and cater to different kind of drivers, some looking for isolation, others looking for feel.
Camry is as close to a S class or LS430 as the Accord is to a BMW 7 series or Aston Martin. In other words, not in the same universe.
Not sure about this, but the Camry SE might have included one of those silly wing things on the trunk lid and I will not own any car with such junk stuck onto it.
The Camry is fine for those who want a soft car--I don't......Richard
1. Because of trim differences, Accord vs. Camry comparison is best done by comparing competing trim levels. For example, I4 engine comparison and V6 engine comparison could very well yield different results. I was shopping for V6 sedan, so following opinions are for V6 sedans only.
2. In currently models, Camry has two different V6 engines. SE has newer 3.3L engine (which is similar to the one used in Toyota Sienna and Lexus RX330), other trims have older 3.0L engine. Performance wise, 3.3L SE is more comparable to Accord V6, which uses single 3.0L engine. Both Toyota 3.3L and Honda 3.0L are smooth and powerful. Toyota may sometimes hesitate at street speed acceleration (see also Sienna and RX330 discussion forums, I have experience on this), Accord maybe a bit slow on down shifting at highway speed (saves gas, I guess). I believe Accord feels a bit more responsive.
3. As you know, Toyota go by options, Honda usually only go by trim level with little options (Navigation is the only MFR option for Accord). Toyota gives more flexibility in configuration, but what one wanted in particular may not be easy to get. For V6 trims, Accord usually has a bit lower MSRP compare to similarly equipped Camry. This is often reflected on street prices as well.
4. For Camry, not all features available on XLE are available on SE. This could make a tough choice, especially when XLE cannot have the newer 3.3L engine. BTW, XLE has a nice rear A/C vent (rear of center console). Other trims don't have it. Accord has vents under front seats, mostly for heater.
5. Some posts mentioned hard ride or noisy cabin of Accord. I suspect these opinions may be influenced by older generations of Accord. In my experience, the current model of Accord doesn't feel any noiser than Camry. Some commentators are saying Accord is too isolated, actually. The ride feel are very different between Accord and Camry, indeed. Accord is taut, but not jarring. Many Acura TSX and TL buyers actually think Accord's too soft. Camry has softer feel, but it's not really that bouncy soft either (and diffrence between SE and XLE is not huge).
6. One interesting observation: many people in the forum uses closeness between Camry and Lexus to make a point that Camry is nicer, but few people use "Accord is close to Acura TL" to prove that Accord is nice car:-) Maybe Lexus is better than Acura? Maybe Accord buyers don't need such a comparison?
7. Checking many on-line magzines, they usually give edge to Accord. Maybe because it's more "driver-oriented" car?
true, the camry rides softer (not better) and is quieter than the accord but the difference is small. this is more than offset by the accord's overall superior driving dynamics.
it's the accord that comes closer to the driving dynamics of expensive luxury cars (except for precious lexus), not the camry.
as for seat comfort, soft seats are not idea for long term comfort. the current accord's seats are much improved over past generations and provide excellent long term comfort.
Look at the furor caused over his message #1885. Peterpan's warning on the terrible dangers of driving an Accord turned out to be inconclusive data taken in 1994-1997.
These posts are trolls. Unless you enjoy being baited, I'd recommend just letting him have his say - with unlimited exclamation marks.
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