Honda Accord vs Toyota Camry

sobers · April 2001

Here is an exceort from Carpoint review:

http://carpoint.msn.com/vip/Jedlicka/Honda/Accord/2001.asp

This is one of the links. These figures are at many places on the net.(30-10) So is fleet sales for camry: 10-12%

The smoother 3.0-liter V6 produces 200 horsepower and considerably more torque for quick 65-75 mph passing maneuvers and such. The rub is that Accord V6 models are pricey, starting at $22,400. That's mostly why some 70 percent of Accord buyers opt for a 4-cylinder engine.

dc_sports_rule · April 2001

My friend is a service writer at our local Honda Accord dealership and he told me 1 in 8 Accord V-6's from 1998-2001 has come in with a defective transmission that needed replacement! It just wasn't a few as a previous poster claimed---1 out of 8 isn't the best considering all the V-6's they have sold. Go to http://www.Honda-Acura.net and also do a search. Read about all the transmission failures on V-6's. Until Honda corrects the problem, I wouldn't buy any of their V-6 models.

sobers · April 2001

Whoever tell you that 98-01 V6 accord has 1 out of 8 failures is just plain-lying. First of all such data is not available ANYWHERE. Secondly there was a technical bulletin on this one due to supplier part, a few # of Accords built in Dec 99/Jan 2000 had transmission failure. That was I guess handful of Accords. There are thousands of V6 Accord out there....it would have been a BIG news as press is always trying hard to find quality problems with Honda/Toyota !!

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dc_sports_rule · April 2001

It was 1 in 8 at the dealership he works at as a service writer. He should know since the dealership can track replaced transmissions on their computer system which was installed in 1996. Why would he lye--what we he have to gain. I guess you just don't want to believe which is a persistent problem. It is happening in the 2001 Accord V-6's also. I would like to know where you are getting your facts from? Honda has always played games when there was a problem--case in point is the failure rate in balancer shaft seals on Accords. Like I said, I would stay with the I-4 Accords until they correct the transmission problems on their V-6 models.

sobers · April 2001

didn't get a single V6 accord with this xmission problem & they solda hell lot of V6 accord from 98 to 01. One of my close friend works there. Thats the main reason why alll our friends have Accords/Civics ! We get quite a rate !!

Also, It is obvious that there would have been a BIG hupla over 1 of 8 faulty rate. Even consumer reports said, there were rumors about problems but only handful of owners reported any probelms.

dc_sports_rule · April 2001

Just so you know, Consumer Reports sent out its annual survey to all members two weeks ago. Wait and see the new results regarding the V-6's. Like I mentioned, my friend is the service writer at a very large Honda dealership in the area that I live. They also sell a lot of V-6's. All that I know is what he told me from the amount of failures that have come into the dealership. If you go to http://www.honda-acura.net and run a search, you will notice a long list of tranny failures in the V-6. One member had a 1998 and a 2001 V-6 where both transmissions failed. I don't think a problem of this nature can be hidden any more. For my money, if I was going to buy an Accord again, it would be an I-4.

maxamillion1 · April 2001

I'd pick the Accord right now over the Camry because to me the Camry is starting to look outdated. I don't know if I can say that next year when the new Camry arrives. The Accord to me is more of a value, you get more features for less money, and IMO a slightly better looking car. Camrys to me are a bit over priced, and their optional packages are so confusing in my area (South Carolina), they don't have one XLE at my local dealer, but so many LE 4 cylinders.

denniswade · April 2001

You're gonna buy an Accord because its radical, fresh styling puts you over the top, and the Camry is "dated."

'K.....

mrdeeeno · April 2001

i'd like to see published #s that there were problems in 1 out of 8 accords between '98 and '01 from a reputable source.

that rate is worse than the worse american car...from the '80s!

if it started in '98 and was really 1 in 8, i'm sure EVERYONE would have heard about it in at least '99, no one is that good in covering anything like that up. and it wouldn't just be consumer reports reporting it, it would be every single automotive website and magazine.

yeah, consumer reports is sending out surveys on a car in it's LAST model year? (2002 is last year for current accord). i'm sure they aren't that stupid and neither are other automotive reviewers and magazines.

oh, and if you believe honda's trannys are that bad, and consumer reports is actually sending surveys out now, i got a '01 yugo twin turbo to sell you.

mrdeeeno · April 2001

I remember now why I shy away from these forums...instead of discussing and comparing cars on objectivity and actually knowledge and opinions, they start pulling things out of their (or their friends) butts.

There's a reason why the Accord and Camry are 2 of the best selling midsize cars, and they have differences...that's why people choose 1 or the other. That's what this board is discussing

And when people discuss why one car is better than another, or why one car is worse than the other, based on fact and opinion, then it's educational, but when someone takes what someone else tells them and calls it "fact" so they can condemn another car, that's just a waste of space.

We have a family friend that claims that Mercedes and BMWs are the most reliable and high quality cars in the world...more reliable than Hondas and Toyotas...he's a wholesale car retailer (he finds and trades/sells new cars to dealers when they want to trade or locate cars for all luxury makes...MB, BMW, Lexus, Acura, Infiniti, etc.). 70% of his business is with Lexii and Acuras, but should i take what he say as fact because he's in the business and he has no reason to lie?

denniswade · April 2001

You should consider what he says in light of all of the other information at your disposal -- including data bases with high sample rates like Consumer Reports. Anecdotal evidence is only that -- and it's simply not reliable, due to the personal preferences of the owner and/or the limited sample from which they draw their conclusions.

I have a close friend who loves BMWs, owns two, and says with all candor that if you take real good care of them, they won't bite you (although even then they are relatively expensive to maintain). However, if you get lazy with the maintenance, you will have a real expensive problem on your hands. This from a guy who is an active member in the local BMW club.

Mercedes, while having a fairly good rate of repair, are expensive to maintain due largely to the cost of parts and labor. Since our concern with maintenance lies largely with the financial outlay it requires, this statistic is significant. Infrequent but costly repair has the same financial effect as frequent but cheap repair (as with an American car, for instance).

mrdeeeno · April 2001

exactly...considering the accords tranny problem, the only source i see is from some dude on an internet forum, and it's even 2nd hand knowledge at that. if it was anything this major, no one, including honda, could cover it up this well, especially for 5 years.

and i really doubt consumer reports is gonna spend money to gather information on a car that's going to be replaced this fall anyway.
it's consumer reports, not consumer reported.

and don't get me started on benzes...we are a benz family (6 benzes in my lifetime (i'm 23), 3 currently) and 2 out of the 3 ('91 560sel, '94 sl500, and '00 s500) are stricken with major (as in expensive) problems. none of them are daily (but regularly) driven cars, all have been serviced religiously, and never abused (a little bit by me, but no way related to the problems we have).

our daily drivers are a '94 landcruiser (no problems except for a damn rip in the door due to a guy trying to break in with a coat hanger), my cl-s (a tad over 1 year old) w/ no problems yet, and a ford ranger (only 8k miles and already a pos...need i say more?).

maxamillion1 · April 2001

Did I not say that I thought the Accord was a better value. The Camry XLE is a bit higher than the Accord EXV6, plus in my area you can't find a Camry XLE. So what if I like the styling of the Accord better, its all subjective and opinions. You have your opinion and I have mine. To me, neither is really consider by me because I want a 5 speed manual with a V6 (Maxima and Passat)

BTW, the accord is anything but radical, but to me slightly better looking than the Camry, but not the supposed pictures of the 2002.

mrdeeeno · April 2001

well, the camry will only be out a few months before the new accord is coming out, so the 2002 camry looks vs. the current accord looks point is kinda moot until the 2002 accord comes out.

ral2167 · April 2001

the 2002 accord will not be redesigned....so when you say the new camry will only be out a few months before the new accord, actually it'll be 12 months... haven't we beaten this to death that both cars are on 5 year redesign schedules?

mrdeeeno · April 2001

but when was the last time a 2003 car was introduced in 2003?

it'll probably be introduced spring/summer of 2002, so unless the new camry is already out or will be in the next few months, it's not going to be 12 months between the two.

and honda usually even introduced it's cars earlier than that...the 2001 cl-s was out in feb. of '00. so give me a scheduled date and maybe i'll believe that, otherwise it's just rumors.

ral2167 · April 2001

i'm trying to understand....but i can't recall the accord ever introducing a new design in spring/summer-- usually they come up with some "special edition" to entice buyers to buy the 5th year of a model design--- kinda like what toyota is doing now with it's "gallery series" camry (and possibly a special edition shortly) .... i will stick to my assertion that there will be an approx. 12 month difference between the introduction of the 2002 redesigned camry and the 2003 re-designed accord, and not a "few months" .... not that this is anything to argue over, mind you.

denniswade · April 2001

You CAN get a Camry with the V6 and 5-speed, if that's what you want -- but the Maxima is probably a better choice if you're okay with the styling.

maxamillion1 · April 2001

Oh yes, you CAN get a Camry with a V6, but I've personally never seen one at any dealership in my area (Greenville, Spartanburg, South Carolina)and from what I here many are not produced and the ones that are produced are plain-jane ones. I like the Maxima alot, but I prefer the Passat to the Maxima.

Also, did any of you read about the horsepower war between Nissan and Honda, apparently "240 is not enough." It will be interesting to see what this new Accord will be like, Mr. Elliot says that they are in the trasportation and entertaintment business, I wonder will this new Accord be more of a sporty family sedan with a V6 MANUAL.

sobers · April 2001

Thats the most considerate statement I can come up with !! If Honda needs to do warranty work on every 1 out of 8 V6 Accords....it means ((400,000*30)/100) = 15,000 Accords per year !!! Assuming the problem continues to be from 98 Model year, it is safe to assume that Honda is not able to track down the problem. Given that out of those 15,000 per year again 1875 are going to have problem !! Again 234 & so on -:) Total figure for 3 years comes out to be 52,000 !!!

Isn't it hilarious ??

sobers · April 2001

unlike V6 Camry, V6 Accords re so much in demand that Dealers can't keep them on lot for long time. (Earning holdback for every V6 car!). I am assuming that Honda is going for #1 spot this year. Except for last 2 months, they NEVER had special financing on the V6 Accords. Ex V6 represents tremendous value in this segment.

cholland1 · April 2001

I bought a 99 Camry LE with 50K miles this weekend for $11,500 with tax. I'm very pleased so far. The car has the 4 cyl. engine, but it has plenty of power for my needs. Highway driving is smooth & quiet. I rode in the back seat while my wife drove, and I was very comfortable. The longer trips I took were almost too calm. I kept falling asleep. I plan on putting in a good after market DC player and key less entry/alarm. Driving the car makes me feel a little snooty. The shinny newish car doesn't look like only cost 11.5K. I don't feel embarrassed any more when parking with the Lexus and B-meer crowd. Not when mines shines just as good and keeps my wallet fat. I liked the Accord. It was just out of my price range, unless I went with an older model with higher miles. No thanks.

leepang · May 2001

I bought a 93 used Camry XLE 4 Cylinder back in 1998 for $6700. There was 162,000 miles on it. I am happy to report that the car still runs fine at 201,000 miles. The body is still very new. I'm seriously shooting for 300,000 miles.

When should I replace the fan belt?

anselmo1 · May 2001

The Accord has a better feel for the road as compared to the Camry but the road noise is more pronounced. The Camry is a lot quieter and has more of a luxury car feel. The Camry V-6 transmission is flawless whereas the Accord V-6 transmission has been very problematic. It is widely known by Honda techs that their V-6 transmission has been very troublesome from 1998-2001. I read the 1 out of 8 comment and I believe Honda has a very serious problem. It isn't to hilarious when you buy a $24,000 car and you have to replace a transmission.Overall, I would take the Camry V-6 anyday over the Accord V-6. In addition, Toyota sells performance parts with their warranty through TRD. Honda is lacking in not having its own brand available to the everyday consumer Mugen is only sold through one distributor in Wisconsin and the parts are very expensive. Honda is really missing the boat in a big way with not selling performance parts through their dealership network.

sobers · May 2001

Please read post no 524 !! Thats the asnwer to your post. About popularity: Accord sells 30% in V6 whereas Toyota 10%. (Official figures!)
TRD parts: There are no more than handful on people getting these part for Camry. IMP: If you need performance car which handles well & has a good raod feel, you won't get a camry in the first place. TRD part for camry are close to being absurd as they take camrys price close to 30K !!!

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sebring95 · May 2001

I think alot more people are buying TRD parts than you think. I personally know two people that have bought superchargers, and have seen several group buys on Camry web-sites (usually 20 at a pop). Yes those packages you see push $30K, however you can buy anything seperate. You can throw on a SC for $2500 and that's 90% of the go-juice. The suspension is easy to manipulate. I had a 94 V6 Camry Coupe lowered 1.75", Tokico struts, Z-rated tires and it handled as good as "performance" cars I've driven. It ran at 130mph quite well. If I could have put a SC on that at the time, I'd still own it as my fun vehicle.

sobers · May 2001

I would not have problem buying it. but if somebody prioritizes handling over quite smooth ride WHY WOULD HE GET Camry in first place ?? It is very basic question & is 99% true. It is almost an afterthought. 25K (camry v6) could get you respectable performance sedan like Accord/Maxima. & with additional KRC(?) superchanrger you can have 80 additional HP on Accord V6 for 2500 (with lowered supension/thick antirolll bars). Also if you are approaching 30K in price you have a hell lot of cars to select from including rwd 325 ??

anselmo1 · May 2001

You are absolutely wrong concerning TRD parts. More and more Camry owners are purchasing TRD parts at their local dealerships. The Toyota warranty regarding TRD parts is the selling point.A lot of Solara owners are into purchasing TRD kits and parts. Also, the V-6 transmission in both the Solara and Camry are as smooth as silk whereas the V-6 Accord transmission since 1998 has been nothing trouble for many Accord owners. By the way, you can get a stick in the V-6 Solara but you cannot in the Accord V-6.

sobers · May 2001

Many Accord owners had problem with Accord tranny: What is data supporting that ?

getting Stick with Solara is possible but on paper, not on the dealer's lot....

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& WHAY WOULD anybody get a manual transmission with a car which has sole purpose of point a to point B transport with minimum noise, smooth suspension & chassis which roles, bends & dives at every corner. It just doesn't work that way.

Getting performance part on Camry/Solara is like an afterthought & the owner seems convinced that he made a mistake in first place when he got solara/camry.

sebring95 · May 2001

Believe it or not, some people just don't like Accords. I've always test drove them when I was buying a car, but came home with something else. I don't know exactly why, just something about them. My wife was content with either Accord or Camry when we were looking last month, but she told me she preferred the Camry.

In theory, you can always just buy more car instead of performance parts for something less. Why would someone put a SC on an Camry,when for the $$ they could have bought a BMW? Maybe someone wants some moderate performance without the big repair/maintenance bills. You put 150K miles on a $3X BMW and I'll put 150K on a Camry with mild suspension changes and SC and we'll see who has a wad of cash in their pocket in a few years. My brothers 5-series took six trips on a roll-back in 50K miles before he sold it.

Does everyone that mods an Accord wish they just would have bought a real performance car instead? Probably not, they just want a little more out of what they have. And the handling difference between a Camry/Accord is not night and day. A set of tires and very minor suspension mods will level the field. Neither car in stock form has ever tricked me into thinking I was driving a sports car anyway.

sobers · May 2001

Yes, I agree to most of your post. Difference between Accord & Camry handling is not too small to ignore. Camry ha soverboosted, spectra-light (women oroented) steering system which doesn't have any feedback whatsoever from the road. Accord though has a bit heavy steering & gives a very good amount of feedback. Same goes with suspension, Accord has taut suspension which is also VERY easy to lower/modify. Honda always have been giving room for aftermarket mods. (punched holes for antiroll bar for previous civic lx/dx etc)

If Honda/Toyota offer similar reliability & value & quality & if a person is interested in better handling why would he get a solara/camry in first place ?

sebring95 · May 2001

Like I said, some people just don't like the Accord I guess. I think the biggest reason I didn't buy an Accord is their packaging. I never could get the options the way I wanted it. I ordered my last two Camrys after looking around and not finding what I wanted, which you can't do with the Accord. They are all identical package wise, except for colors. I also just got used to Camrys I guess, probably along with alot of people. Remember, up until 98 the Accord didn't have a V6 option. My 92, 94, and 97 Camrys were no-brainers compared to the 4cyl Accord. My driving is dropping from 40K-50K per year down to 20K, so I may actually shop for something more interesting and less "utility". Wife ended up with a Galant V6 which I like better than Accord or Camry. Might look at an A6. The Mitsubishi/Audi dealer gave us one to drive while they prepped my wifes car and I really like it. The AWD would be nice.

maxamillion1 · May 2001

The accord was first available with a V6 in 1995 or 1996, not 1998.

anselmo1 · May 2001

TRD parts are available for both cars if you are into modifications. If you are not, it is your choice. One of the biggest complaints I have heard (other than the transmission problems) about the Accord V-6 is there are no manual shift available transmissions available. All the lowered V-6 Accords with body kits etc all have one thing in common, an automatic transmission. At least Toyota was smart enough to create the TRD division for people who want mods on their Camry and Solaras. Give me a manual transmission V-6 Solara SLE anyday over a an EX V-6 Accord Coupe with automatic. Honda has been missing the boat for years in not creating a Mugen aftermarket parts network for their cars.

maxamillion1 · May 2001

The SLE Solara is not available with the manual option, only the SE and SEV6, but even if they are available in manual form, they are few and hard to find. I do agree with you on the aftermarket ideas, Honda should offer some type of aftermarket network through their dealerships, since more people mod Hondas than they do Toyotas.

From the way it sounds, it might be a possibility for the Next accord to be available with a 5 speed option, but I bet many want be made.

sebring95 · May 2001

I didn't know that. The salesman (toyota/honda dealer) had me drive a EX 4cyl because the hp was up, but he didn't mention a V6 back in 97. First V6 Accord I drove was in 00, I liked the looks of the dual exhaust.

sobers · May 2001

Autoweek issue says that TL will be available with 6 speed manual later this year. That means Accord V6 will also get it after re-design.

Manual being available on Camry/Solara is due to some historic reasons. Toyota had manual developed for their V6 from early 90s needed in other parts of the world & also in 4Runner, LandCruiser etc. So it was NOT developed for usa market or such it is just that it was available. On the other hand Honda developed their V6 for mostly for the USA market. So the cost of manual cdevelopment & EPA certification was not justified by the less than 5% customers wanting manual in midsize sedans. Now that they are reading about lack of manual on TL in almost every review, they are delievring it. So it will be also available on every V6 which comes from Honda.

ranangk · May 2001

A private party is selling a 96 Camry le leather 4cyl with75000miles for 11000. Good condition. Only flaw is a broken antenna. Is this a fair price? What would be an appropriate offer?

jared1195 · May 2001

Here is another ego-booster for Accord owners.

I once had the opportunity of visiting the Philippines. I saw plying the roads are mostly toyota taxis. I once asked the taxi driver why is that. He said that that is one of the restriction mentioned in the contract. YOu can never use a honda as a taxi. And that made any honda over there the much sought after brand with the highest resale value with a bonus of "prestige" over the toyotas. Makes a lot of sense to me to buy something that i dont see being used as a taxi..Its just sort of a pride thing i guess...

ral2167 · May 2001

the last thing i'd think about when deciding whether to buy a camry or an accord is whether one is being used as a taxi in singapore or the phillipines.....i've owned an 88 accord lxi, a 95 camry coupe-- a 99 solara...and now a 2001 accord coupe-- none of my purchases was based on which model was being used as a taxi in the far east. am i nuts?

sobers · May 2001

Honda has similar contract as per my Info. I was reading a car magazine of Asia : "& the fact that no Accord has been used as a taxi puts its brand equity at the top second only to Mercedes-Benz in Asia"

I think, controlled (1-2%) sales to beig rental cos Hertz/Avis etc is god to ptromote product or is a free adevertize but if manufaturer does too many rental sales like 10-12% like Toyota with Camry to keep it #1 selling car then it afffects the not only the resael value but the brand equity in greater effects. I wish Toyota did only 4-6% of Camry fleet sales but this #1 business is hurting direct consumers. Accord except for 99 was the #1 selling car to direct consumers for the 90s. (9 years !!)

I see atleast 30 camrys on our local lot of Hertz (a small town)

frag235 · May 2001

You might want to post your question in the Smart Shopper forum under the "Real World Trade-In Values" thread....some pretty knowledgeable folks in there.

vcheng · May 2001

If taxi use is to be avoided for fear of its effect on brand image, then why is it that Mercedes is one of the most popular taxis is Germany, and yet its brand image even within Germany is not affected adversely?. I think taxi use is one indication of long life and low cost per mile, things that are (or should) be important to most owners.

sobers · May 2001

In US people need to have different luxury brand as Acura/Lexus/Infinity etc...

In Garmany Mercedese taxis are all run on Deisel fuel & not petrol. They also sell many bread-butter modles there. People know which Merc is costlier & which is not....so it doesn't affect brand image in Garmany. US has a diff mindset. Merc doesn't sell any baseline model here to keep brand's image intact...same with bmw....

yanker · May 2001

That price is too high. Same car in new york is selling for 8000 to 9900. trade in is 7600. If it is an XLE it might be higher. but $11000 is too high

jared1195 · May 2001

Sobers couldnt be more right in his assessment. I agree 100% that it is just a matter of mindset. Here in the Middle east, Lexus has been enjoying great popularity because it spells luxury to most. But when our Airport started using hundreds of them as taxis, sales dwindled. It maybe an initial reaction but it has a long way to go in catching up with BMW and MB for lost of market share in this segment. It may not be the case in other countries, but it certainly is the case in here.

badtoy · May 2001

Got bad news for you, bud -- better not get a Mercedes. They're used as taxis all over Europe and the mideast.

How about basing your decision on what you actually like -- not what some dimbulb in the other lane thinks of it? It's calling "thinking for yourself." Try it, you'll like it.

jared1195 · May 2001

I said i agreed but never said that i would follow the same mindset. I buy mycars solely on what i feel and from others people experience with the car. Not solely what others feel. Surprise! I am here in the middle east and the only mercedes used here as taxis are the beat up models of the 80's and the early 90's. I have yet to see newer models around here. And yes, i have been all over the middle east, so i am speaking this for a fact. Even that is the case, BMW and MB had positioned themselves already into the consumers psyche that whether its a taxi or a BMW 5series as in the case in the Police Cars in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates- they cant be touched.. They are just damned good cars with the highest regards for them from the consumers. Now perhaps you didnt understand what was previously stated that its not at all the same thinking all throughout. Now i will give a scenario: Say for instance you liked a car so much but that car isnt what everyone think in the planet as great. Youre dying to buy it but when you finally bought it, your co worker hitches with you, you get that feeling that he wanted to tell you something undesirable about the car but couldnt do it because it might hurt your ego because you love the car so much. Everytime you stop at the stoplights, the dimbulb near you displays a face that says" what a piece of junk". Now if i am that person, who is in touch with reality, would certainly question my choices at that point. I might even need a shrink for that. But you, since you are the one man person that you are, remained unfazed. Well go on, my friend. Think of yourself great because you are driving a car you chosed without the help of others because certainly, if that is your thinking, you will be the only one who will think you made the right choice. Now in my case, though i would die to get an Audi A8 or a BMW 7's or MB S class- in the real world, i would still want to know what other people think of a certain car, research for it, get a consensus, assess my overall feel for the car and that would be my decision. It happened just recently to me, but i ended up buying something mainstream. Now did that make me somebody a person without my own character and personality, Certainly not, i believe that i am just a person who is in touch with reality. Oftentimes, this is the reason why Honda and Toyota are bestsellers. Because this buyers takes into consideration what they feel, what other's experience in the car and not necessarily the remarks of the dimbulb on the other side of the lane. A car is a big purchase and people certainly want to feel they made the right choice whether that car is used as fleet, taxi or whatever. Different folks just have different strokes. Bottomline, it is just a matter of intelligent consumerism where experience and others experience is the best teacher.

scottdude · May 2001

The comments about the taxi's reminded me of a Honda salesperson who told me that the resale value on Camry's is lower because Toyota sells them to rental car companies, something that Honda does not do. Was wondering what others here think about that? (New poster, so sorry if this came up before.)

badtoy · May 2001

about the difference in resale between an Accord and a Camry is, if such exists. I guess Edmunds or some other source has information indicating percentage of original value -- Intellichoice bases part of its formula on that.

In any case, both Hondas and Toyotas have excellent residual value -- much better, in fact, than the BMW 5-series, for instance. Lexuses hold their value extremely well. Don't know about Acura, but I imagine they fare very well too.

jared -- I'm not immune to the opinions of others, I just don't base my buying decisions on them. And although I drive a lowly Corolla, everyone seems to love it due to the changes I've made; in fact, some people don't even recognize it as a Corolla even though it has all OEM body parts. But I also have an '86 GT-S that has tired paint and stock wheels, and while my wife, dajghter and probably most everyone else on the planet doesn't think much of it, I love it. I can wind the engine up to 7500 rpm, it has a slick little 5-speed and it's a hoot to drive. It also has 258,000 miles on it and burns less than half a quart between oil changes -- so I'd say it's pretty reliable too.

To me, it's all about value. What am I getting for my money in tangible terms (performance, handling, comfort, reliability), rathe than intangibles like prestige or status? Whether the car I'm driving is used as a taxi or rental car has nothing whatsoever to do with my buying decisions.

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