Older Honda Accords

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  • chucko3chucko3 Member Posts: 793
    What good does an oil change do w/out changing the filter?
  • bburton3bburton3 Member Posts: 185
    Does anybody know if a honda engine in good running order and with sufficient air for combustion produces carbon monoxide as part of the exhaust emission. I though CO was produced when not enough O2 was available.

    Just curious.
  • rcc8179rcc8179 Member Posts: 131
    I too noticed that the oil filter is recommended at every other oil change. It states this both in the owner's manual and the OwnerLink web site. With the 4-cylinder engine, it says oil at 10k miles and oil & filter at 20k miles. I think it is a way for Honda to show lower operation/maintenance costs. It is ridiculous in my opinion. I spent over $22k on a new car; why would I skimp on a $5 oil filter?

    I don't think you have to tell the dealer to change the filter. They will do that as a matter of practice. For what it's worth, I change the oil & filter at 5k miles (4-cyl). I think 10k miles is too long, regardless of your driving type. I actually got my first oil change at about 4500 miles (before leaving on a long trip) and the dealer didn't say anything.
  • jmessjmess Member Posts: 677
    You would probably get a better return on investment from a low fat diet and joining an exercise club than needless oil/filter changes.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    My 1991 MR2 Turbo had oil change recommendations like that. You changed to oil every 5000 miles and the filter every other change. It's not that rare for that recommendation.
  • jrock65jrock65 Member Posts: 1,371
    http://www.nissannews.com/multimedia/nissan2005/altima.shtml

    Not bad at all. Much improved interior.

    The Accord outsold the Altima by only 5000 cars (25,000 to 20,000) in January 2004. This upgrade can only narrow the gap even more, and perhaps the Altima will be a true competitor to the Accord and Camry in terms of sales. Time will tell.
  • carguy58carguy58 Member Posts: 2,303
    how the Altima is closing in on the Accord. I would have never thought it. Of course When is the 05 Altima coming out since Nissan is giving the 1500 factory rebate something Nissan didn;t do in 02 and 03 MY's with the Altima? That says to me Nissan wants to get 04's off their dealers lots to make room for 05's.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    I think the proof of a much improved interior will require checking out the actual materials. Of late, Nissan seems to be incapable of designing an interior with quality equal to that of the competition... some low quality materials have marred the execution of the interiors even in more recent higher end designs like the Maxima and G35. The interior of the TL is far ahead of those two cars, just as the Accord's interior has been far ahead of the Altima's. And I'm not convinced that the latter situation has changed much with this refresh.

    Overall, I'm left thinking "That's it?" In my eyes, the busy and overstyled "Astro Boy" look of the redesigned dashboard seems to be little improved over the previous version. Exterior styling changes are disappointing as well. The revised front takes on more of a "pre-refresh" Sentra look, seeming bland and undistinguished compared to the original. In the rear, many people seemed to be hoping that they'd deep-six the tacky looking aftermarket-style taillights, and that didn't happen either.

    Given all of the anticipation and hype about this refresh, I have to say that I'm pretty disappointed.
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    When considering extended oil and filter changes for a preventive maintenance program, will the Honda Company be there when a vehicle suffers an oil related problem after the original warranty has expired? ----Will they "back-up" their extended oil and filter change intervals as stated in the owner's manual? ----or----Will they leave the customer to pay the bill for a remanufactured engine, (because it is considered "owners neglect"?---- Will the Honda Company warranty an engine, (during the first 3 years or 36,000 miles), if it shows signs of contamination in the crankcase, (due to extended oil and filter changes)?----What is the "track record" of the Honda Company in this area? -----Does anyone have any first hand information in this area? ----Have a nice day everyone. ----Greg
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    As with any car, just keep the records of your oil changes. If you've followed the recommended oil change intervals, you should be covered. There's no reason to expect that Honda would consider an engine that was maintained at the recommended intervals as suffering from "owner neglect".

    It's not as if Honda's recommended oil change intervals are different from the competition... for example, Toyota's normal recommended interval is 7500 miles. Oil change intervals can be described as "extended" only if they're longer than the recommended intervals. And from the wording of their "normal" vs. "severe" schedules, they're clearly consider severe as unusual circumstances and are steering most owners to the normal schedule.
  • bd21bd21 Member Posts: 437
    Greg, I just bought an 04 Civic and I have to agree that the recommended 10K oil changes and 20K filter changes are pushing the envelope. I would never go that long unless I had oil lab analysis confirming my oil was still O.K.. Since I think the cost for oil analysis is counter productive I would just change my oil and filter at 5k. 3K oil changes have been the standard generic recommendation from oil makers, dealers, and service departments for over 20 years for one reason only "they make more money if you follow them". Oil lubrication properties and cleaning abilities have vastly improved over the years. Also, oil, air & oil filters are by far more efficient. Lastly, car engines run significantly cleaner and are tighter. Very little contamination gets into the oil compared to engine of the past. I changed my oil at 3k in the 70s and the oil always looked dirty. When I look at the same oil now, it looks like new with 3k. Follow me on this one, you would have to believe, that oil, air & oil filters, and car engines have not improved efficiency to validate the need for the same oil change requirement that was done in the 70's.
    Also, as long as you have documentation for the minimum Honda required maintenance, of course they will have to cover the repairs. Now when your warranty runs out that may be an quite different story.
  • mitchfloridamitchflorida Member Posts: 420
    Save a couple of dollars and don't change the filter , just the oil.

    If your engine blows out after 36,000 good luck begging Honda for a new engine.

    They will laugh in your face.
  • fjm1fjm1 Member Posts: 137
    This has been discussed thoroughly in the maintenance topic. FWIW, several folks have done the oil analysis on modern vehicles and found that oil and filters are good MUCH longer than we expect.

    Save the environment and your money. Do it like the manual says.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,690
    Exactly which maintenance board has the discussion you referred to? I want to read
    it.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    if someone would just produce a very good filter...we'd never have to change the oil, just the filter! and this was proven some time ago on medium duty trucks...
      
    however i suspect there is some entity (guess who) keeping this from happening.
  • 03accordman03accordman Member Posts: 671
    Interior redesign is a very big improvement. The exterior changes are okay. I do like the blister pacj style real taillamps, so am happy they did not change it.
  • ashford3ashford3 Member Posts: 2
    I have just purchased a 2002 Honda Accord EX from my local dealer. I have now noticed that there is a small gap on the steering wheel cover. I found a similar problem on another forum about an Acura. That owner insisted on either a repair or replacement. The dealer repaired it.

    I have just a short warranty period left. I want my dealer to fix this. The other message said that the dealer re-centered the steering wheel cover by remounting the air bag assembly--apparently it wasn't mounted properly.

    Have any of you had this problem? Is it just cosmetic or is it indicative of a problem, i.e. with the air bag, or has the air bag been deployed even though the car had a clean, no accidents reported CARFAX? (Which I know is not foolproof!)

    I appreciate any feedback. Thank you.
  • kenm8kenm8 Member Posts: 71
    A number of people have compared the qualities of the Honda Accord interior to those of the Altima. Might want to also check the exterior. When looking at and test driving new autos last autumn, I thought that the Altima's exterior paint finish had less quality than the Accord. Has anybody else noticed this?
  • jrock65jrock65 Member Posts: 1,371
    I thought the paint quality was pretty similar between the two cars.
  • austinman7austinman7 Member Posts: 313
    Have you any of you LX owners put alloy wheels on your car? I passed on the EX, for several reasons, and bought an '04 LX recently, but I do like alloys. I don't, however, like the one style that Honda is offering in a 15" alloy for the LX. It's nothing like the clean, striking stye of the current EX alloys. Also, I don't want to go to a 16" wheel because I don't want to buy new tires.

    I stopped in at a tire dealer that also sells alloys and, surprisingly, he tried to talk me out of it. He said you may not wind up with as good a ride as with the factory wheels, I think because of sizing issues, whatever. I also checked with Sears, but wasn't impressed with their knowledge of lug nut spacing, etc.

    Have any of you put alloys on your LX, from Honda or other sources, and been satisfied? I would be interested in any experiences, especially things to watch for. In the meantime, I think the wheel covers on my LX are decent looking, but still prefer alloys.

    Thanks for any ideas you may have.
  • aggie1995aggie1995 Member Posts: 318
    The 16" should work fine without reducing ride quality since that is what is on the EX model.

    You should check Ebay for a set of Honda wheels someone wants to get rid of.
  • lelandhendrixlelandhendrix Member Posts: 240
    I upgraded my LX's wheels shortly after purchase and have loved the increased performance in cornering and breaking.

    I upgraded to aftermarket 17" alloys and performance tires from wheelmax.com. I love the styling as well.

    I chose 17" wheels because that what the performance coupe comes with. I got no reduction in ride quality either, and the tires are even a bit quieter. I just got tired of how the factory tires (michelin energys) would squeal at the slightest provocation and draw lots of attention.
  • slawendaslawenda Member Posts: 101
    Just my opinion but I don't like the orange backlit gauges. Neither do I like the motorcycle 3 ring speedometer cluster. I know both of these are not new, but I didn't like them before either. This is a car, not a motorcycle. I prefer the gauge cluster on the Accord by far -- much more luxurious and car-like! And for those of you who think that discussing the Altima is not appropriate for this board, I say it is important, as it is in direct competition with the Accord, and some of us are still car shopping!
  • lelandhendrixlelandhendrix Member Posts: 240
    I don't like the altima's either, but it is very similiar to the ones in the Lexus RX330
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    Last August when I bought my '04 EX-L 2.4 AT sedan, I tested the Mazda 6 and Camry--both good in some respects and not so good in others. I didn't even bother to drive the Altima because its interior was so ratty--it was so bad I didn't want to look at it.

    The Accord was by far the best car among those I tested and I'm very pleased with it.

    The 2005 Altima looks pretty good inside judging from the photos--a huge improvement was made to the interior.....Richard
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    I like to engage in these discussions, because it gives people, who are interested in a subject, an opportunity to exchange different points of view on a subject.

    Extended oil and filter changes, (as advocated by the "Honda Owners's Manual"), is a multifaceted concept. On one side of the issue, it paints the Honda vehicles in a "low maintenance light", while on the other side of the issue, it opens the Honda Company up to a "possibility of liability" on the "back end" of the service recommendations.

    For discussion purposes, let's say that we have a customer who purchases a new Honda vehicle from a Honda dealer, and has all the required service, to include oil & filter changes, performed by the dealer, (according to the recommendations of the owner's manual), so there is a "paper trail" for this total activity. After 4 years and 50,000 miles, the vehicle has a massive engine failure, and the cause is traced to "lack of preventive maintenance", ----(lack of frequent oil and filter changes), and there is no extended warranty on this vehicle.

    QUESTIONS: ----- Does the Honda Company have an obligation to make the necessary repairs, since the owner of the vehicle followed the recommendations of the "owner's manual"? ----Will the Honda Company take on this responsibility?

    If the answers to these questions are "NO", then the "Honda Service Recommendations" as stated in their "Owner's Manual" are not valid for long term vehicle longevity. They are simply a marketing tool for the automotive consumer, and as such, the individual owner needs to protect their own investment with some tender loving care. -------Have a nice day. -----Greg
  • dust90dust90 Member Posts: 169
    Stick with factory Honda/Acura alloys, no matter what size you find. A lot of the aftermarket wheels don't exactly match the offset and will lead to bumpsteer or other problems. Not saying you can't find aftermarket that fit exactly, but I have had nothing but bad luck with aftermarket. I would wait until my 15's were higher in mileage, then upgrade to 16's.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    If you look at how Honda is handling the transmission issue in the Ody and a few Accords it looks like Honda will come to the plate if you can show you maintained the vehicle to their specifications.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    "Does the Honda Company have an obligation to make the necessary repairs, since the owner of the vehicle followed the recommendations of the "owner's manual"? ----Will the Honda Company take on this responsibility?"

    Since the situation that you cite falls outside of the warranty, there's no way to answer this question definitively. The manufacturer is in no way contractually bound to make the necessary repairs. Even if the engine is treated to "extra tender loving care", it makes no difference. And when it comes to an "out-of-warranty" situation, it's the same for any manufacturer... they're not required to do anything, but they may at their discretion.

    Even if someone can cite relevant experience, it still doesn't guarantee anything, since such a situation would be evaluated and decided upon on a case by case basis.

    At any rate, I'm not aware of any epidemic of engine failures in Hondas whose owners follow the recommended maintenance schedule, so I see no reason to expect that such a schedule would be likely to result in engine problems, that "extra tender loving care" would be required, or would make any real difference. If you prefer to perform more frequent maintenance and/or use additional lubricants not called for by the manufacturer, that's your call.
  • cpocpo Member Posts: 23
    Am looking at purchasing a '97 Accord base model and getting a good price, but it has no cruise control. Anyone know if an OEM unit can be installed reasonably priced? If not, then perhaps a good aftermarket unit that fits well? Thanks.
  • mitchfloridamitchflorida Member Posts: 420
    I pay about $15 including tax for an oil and filter change at Goodyear. If I told the service writer to re-use the filter it wouldn't save me any money, because the price is a special package price. So what is the point here?
  • mikefm58mikefm58 Member Posts: 2,882
    <<we have a customer who purchases a new Honda vehicle from a Honda dealer, and has all the required service, to include oil & filter changes, performed by the dealer, (according to the recommendations of the owner's manual)>>

    <<the vehicle has a massive engine failure, and the cause is traced to "lack of preventive maintenance">>

    How can Honda say "Do this maint", then when it's done, documented, and a problem comes up, come back and say "You didn't do this maint".

    I don't know why I wasted my time responding.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    I'm not sure what post you're responding to... if it's mine, my position is that Honda's recommended intervals for oil changes are sufficient, and that more frequent changes (except under severe conditions) and additional lubricants are not necessary. I'm not advocating skipping a filter change at every other oil change, even though Honda's recommendations allow doing so. In my automotive vocabulary, an oil change includes a filter change. I don't imagine that changing the filter every other change would cause any problems, but I doubt that many people would change their oil without changing the filter. And you're right... if you have your oil changed by a dealer, chain or some other shop, they always bundle an oil change and a filter change together, so it would be difficult to not change the filter even if that's what you wanted to do.

    However, if I decided to follow the recommendations to the letter and NOT change the filter every time, my other points still stand... since that's covered in the recommendation, changing the filter every other oil change would NOT constitute "owner neglect" and would NOT be a reason for warranty coverage to be denied. Personally, I choose to change the filter at every oil change. Just a preference, not a hedge against some alleged tendency by Honda, suggested by recent posts, to deny warranty coverage to people who maintain their cars according to Honda's recommendations.

    (The last paragraph ties the filter change question to my previous post and the "some questions" exchange, and isn't directed at mitchflorida.)
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,690
    I think this problem with how far to drive before changing oil is perception. Different people have different driving patterns of distance and short trips driving.

    A driver who's driving 20 or more miles to work each keeps the oil cleaner with the pcv system and temperature of the oil in the sump evaporating some contaminants. A 7500 mile interval may work with minimal damage/wear. Another driver with short trips of 1-5 miles in suburban/city driving may not clear those and should change sooner.

    I check my oil for feel between my fingers, color showing oxidation/cotaminant load, and smell (gasoline and blowby). I put 2 or 3 drops on a paper towel and when the dark center ring is almost the size of a dime, I change oil soon. If I reach 3000-3500 before that, I change oil.

    I change filters almost each time. If it's a low mileage change, I may leave filter and change a little earlier the next time. I don't want a filter on for over 6 -7500 miles. They're cheap. I buy Fram and the car's brand.

    Oil change needs vary with driving patterns. Each person here is wanting to take car of their car. The definition of extreme conditions is met by most people unless 90% of your mileage is long distance more than 30 miles each way each trip. I drive 9.5 mi. each way in 1 mile apart stop sign rural roads. So I change that oil more than someone commuting to the Air Force base 25miles might do.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    Read some of the postings on the "Toyota sludge issue". Toyota owners followed the recommendations in their owners manual and ended up with "sludged engines"! There was a "BIG" movement on another site over this issue. The bottom line, as a consumer, you must prove maintenance, while the company and the dealer can take any position that they want based on the visible condition of the component. If a company is advocating a certain type of preventive maintenance, then they are by default,are guaranteeing a certain level of longevity of their product, based on that maintenance. I think after this Toyota Sludge Issue is resolved, (and the "dust" settles), we will see a change in "time and mileage intervals" for oil and filter changes as specified by the vehicle manufacturers. After much discussion between the Toyota dealers, the company and the customers, it appears that they are doing the "right thing" and solving the problem, and for that they should be "congratulated" for their professionalism! Remember, this could happen to any vehicle. Some mechanics believe that it is a "heat issue" with their engines. While this may or may not be true, Toyotas that received frequent oil and filter changes did not appear to have the problem, or did not have the problem to a "Great Extent"! As consumers who spend our hard earned money on products, we should know the "rules of the game"! All I am doing is pointing out some "concerns", with regards to this preventive maintenance issue. There is nothing "personal" in my postings. -----Thank for your time. Have a nice day. ----Greg
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,690
    With all due respect, Whoever gets Greg's used cars are getting a wonderfully well-maintained cars. If he trades one in at the dealership where they do all the servicing, there probably is a lottery to see who gets to buy his tradein and take it home. He's trading in an almost new car.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • pj23pj23 Member Posts: 158
    Civics have been on a 10,000 mile normal driving maintenance interval since 2001. I haven't heard of a rash of engine failures plaguing the 2001+ Civics. Perhaps someone who frequents the Civic discussions here can tell us about whether or not this has been a problem. I'm guessing it's not.

    Honda is known for engineering mastery. The reputation they have built because of their enigneering mastery is what sells their cars. Of course companies have done stupid things before, so it is not outside the realm of possibility that Honda would sacrifice it's reputation for a slightly better score on long-term ownership costs surveys. But it is so unlikely that it does not even enter the realm of what is remotely probable, in my opinion. Reputation is very nearly everything. Just look at Audi in the 1980s.

    To those that advocate not following manufacturer recommendations, whay would you do if you drove a car which monitors engine oil quality and tells you when to change the oil (such as BMW, Mercedes, etc.)? I believe that the oil change intervals with these cars regularly stretches well past 10,000 miles. And yet I don't hear of Mercedes' engines self-destructing at 50,000 miles either.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,690
    "Honda is known for engineering mastery."
    Check transmissions record.

    My car has an oil life monitor based on engine speed, operating temp., external temp., and who knows what else. I change long before it says to do so. I suspect it may take me to the 10K mark some times of the year, but I'll change at 3K 3.5K.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    personally i would not want one of gregoryc1's trade-ins. while they may look like new...i suspect there is plenty of carbon buildup in the engines due to excessive idling during the extended warm-up period he adheres to ...
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    "The definition of extreme conditions is met by most people unless 90% of your mileage is long distance more than 30 miles each way each trip."

    That may have been true in the past, but it's not true now, at least according to Honda's definition:

    From Honda's Owner Link site:

    "Follow the "severe" schedule only if you drive in one or more of these conditions most of the time:

     Trips of less than 5 miles (less than 10 in freezing weather)
     Extremely hot weather (over 90 degrees F)
     Extensive idling or stop-and-go driving
     Trailer towing, car-top carrier, or mountain driving
     Muddy, dusty, or de-iced roads

    As for Normal, they say:

    "The "normal" schedule is fine for most drivers, even if they occasionally drive in severe conditions."

    Can't post a link because it's a subscription site.

    They clearly aren't specifying 30 miles each way each trip as a requirement for normal conditions. Honda's severe conditions are actually ones that I'd agree describe severe, and not the driving habits of 90% of drivers.

    "With all due respect, Whoever gets Greg's used cars are getting a wonderfully well-maintained cars. If he trades one in at the dealership where they do all the servicing, there probably is a lottery to see who gets to buy his tradein and take it home. He's trading in an almost new car."

    As opposed to the decrepit smoking rust buckets that the rest of us trade in. ;)
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,690
    ?As opposed to the decrepit smoking rust buckets that the rest of us trade in."
    I can't decide if you're being cynical or if I offended someone. My point was, except for the idling an probably many flavored coffee spills, the engine and transmission are all the better for all the extra care. I'd buy his next end-of-lease Civic or Accord for my son in two years.

    As for the Honda list and definition of extreme conditions, it's a little different than what I'd feel comfortable with. If I were going to trade a car at 80 - 100K, I might use it an save money, but I keep my cars. My wife made me trade in the last one at 150k.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    "I can't decide if you're being cynical or if I offended someone."

    Just joking (as the ";)" is intended to indicate). And yes, I get your point.

    However, I don't completely agree with it. I'm not convinced that the condition of his cars would be demonstrably better than one that was religiously maintained according to Honda's recommendations. And IMO, the potential ill effects of the "idle to warm up" thing outweigh any potential advantages of the "TLC" in other areas...

    "As for the Honda list and definition of extreme conditions, it's a little different than what I'd feel comfortable with. If I were going to trade a car at 80 - 100K, I might use it an save money, but I keep my cars. My wife made me trade in the last one at 150k."

    Hey, it's your call. However, it's Honda that has the all-important reputation for quality and longevity on the line, so I doubt that they'd recommend a schedule that would jeopardize that reputation.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,690
    Today's newspaper had report that there little if any difference in real world results between cars rated good or acceptible. But there would be some difference in injury likelihood for a car rated poor.

    The only data-indicated difference between a car rated good and acceptible might be neck injuries more likely in _small_ adults and slightly higher risk of lower limb injury.

    Not the results IIHS wanted; they had hoped to substantiate a difference in their testing results levels in the real world.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • lelandhendrixlelandhendrix Member Posts: 240
    It's a pretty well known fact that Honda is well respected by both the industry and consumers for having outstanding engineering.

    Sure there were transmission problems. Nobody is perfect. But some, Honda included, are better than another.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    "While this may or may not be true, Toyotas that received frequent oil and filter changes did not appear to have the problem, or did not have the problem to a "Great Extent"!"

    Toyota acknowledged that engine design was at least part of the problem when they made a design change to the engine that improved circulation by enabling oil to drain faster into the sump.

    In addition, some experts believe that the problems are worse than Toyota admits. One expert says that the problem occurred mostly because of excessive heat in the cylinder head, which resulted in a 60 to 70 degree temperature difference between the cylinder head and the block. This is far greater than the industry "rule of thumb" of 10 to 15 degrees, and such dramatic temperature changes are extremely hard on the oil.

    So the oil in these engines was stressed way beyond normal conditions. The oil was being stressed at a "severe" or worse level even if the car was driven at defined "normal" levels. Since the oil was abused in such a manner, it comes as no surprise that more frequent changes helped in this situation. However, it definitely doesn't follow that engines without such a design defect would achieve any benefits from more frequent oil changes than those recommended by the manufacturer, or that they'd suffer from similar breakdowns as a result of following the recommendations.

    Nothing personal here, either... I just feel that the Toyota sludge issue is apples-to-oranges to this discussion. It tells us little except for the consequences of a design defect.
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    also, i think we need to remember that Honda transmissions, in general, are still the most reliable based on number of failures vs. number of cars sold. Honda extended the warranty on all of them as good PR, but most people don't know that their is an extended warranty, and that is fine, as most don't have any problems.

    not like my old VW where the coils went bad. it was 100% likely that they would fail, probably one at a time, and it took years for VW to publicly admit it.

    i think all cars have problems, but i do tend to think that Honda isn't about to put their rep on the line. and its true, my 02 325Ci wouldn't tell me to get an oil change until over 15k miles. BMW is KNOWN for engine design as well...so maybe Hondas service intervals aren't so outragous.

    that said, next week at my 7500 mile service, i will have them change the filter and the oil, just to make me feel better. :)
  • dako_tiandako_tian Member Posts: 298
    It's like buying insurance without the agony of knowing that you could have saved money by going cheaper (ie. if you don't get sick, then you could be the type to kick yourself for buying too much health insurance).

    But with frequent oil changes you can always claim (at least to yourself) that that was the exact reason why you never had trouble. OTOH, if you are not particularly comfortable with stretching oil change intervals and if you are the type to punish yourself for perceived failures in your own judgment, then 3,000-3,500 mile oil changes are better and fairly cheap insurance to cover against self recriminations.

    Some people spend many hours and a lot of money keeping their paint pristine and glistening; others don't. The former can revel in the long life of their paint or, if the paint fails, know almost for certain that it is the low quality of the paint that is at fault. The latter can shrug because it doesn't bother them, agonize over their lack of concern when it would have mattered, blame the paint anyway, or realize that it simply wasn't worth the extra effort to them (and you oftentimes get out what you put in).

    Do what is comfortable for the type of person you are. :-)
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    Excellent post... I agree with your closing line 100%.

    Of course, the "oil change" equivalent of the person who doesn't care for their paint is the person who FAILS to change their oil as often as recommended, correct?

    Hopefully you're not characterizing as careless people who follow the recommendations to the letter, but feel that exceeding the recommendations isn't necessary or beneficial.
  • dako_tiandako_tian Member Posts: 298
    Whoops! One too many "not quite the same thing" examples. No, I do not think a person is careless for going with the longer oil change intervals. I just think they are someone who has decided that it is the right thing to do and is comfortable with that decision. Most likely they are correct and will have no problems for having done so.

    I just don't think that some of us anal retentive worriers (Murphy's Law Rules!) should feel overly pressured into making that same decision unless we too are comfortable with it. To me that is always a silly decision because the nagging doubt costs me more than spending a little more money up front. Everyone else should feel free to make their own "comfort level" decision and let it go.

    Happy driving to all and to all a green light! ;-)
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    Thanks for the clarification... and for the reasonable position reflected in your posts.
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