Older Honda Accords

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  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Member Posts: 1,467
    My Altima isn't the base model. It is the mid-level model that can be comparable to the Accord LX or EX depending on the packaging. I have the Conveience Plus pkg. which places it right there with an Accord EX. Last time I checked the Altima 2.5, 2.5S, 2.5SL, 3.5SE and 3.5SL shared the same dash board, but just different trim pieces. IF you get the Convenience pkg. The S models get the same treatments the SL and SE models have.

    Similar to the Accord. Plastics are shared, but trim pieces can be different.

    So NO, I don't have the base interior. My interior is comparable with the Altima 3.5SE and 3.5SL minus leather.

    You don't have to agree with what I am saying because in all honesty you make some good points. Although you can be arrogant at times. REAL arrogant. Especially when you BLOW my words out of porportion.

    I said that SOME of the materials are cheap. NOT ALL of them. I even acknowledged that to me, the Accord still has a better interior than the Altima, and I drive an Altima.

    Yep, the Accord is one of the best in the class, but I think the Passat still holds the edge material, NOT design wise.

    However, I DID acknowledge that the Accord was the best in the class. Its like if no one agrees with you, they are wrong. Whatever.

    As far as roominess. In my opinion the Accord felt less roomy. Dimensions are just that, dimensions. Real world roominess can vary from person to person. You are not built like me so you wouldn’t know.

    Again, I am not trying to make anybody agree with what I have to say because if we all agreed, the world would be boring.

    Enjoy your Accord, just like I plan to enjoy my new Altima.

    Coarse cloth or not.

    Have a nice day.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Member Posts: 1,467
    "Maxamillion is right I think people think its 1996 which it is not in terms of competition. As far as sellng with rebates its not like Accord sales are going through the roof. You can get one easily now."

    That is all I was saying. Yes, the Accord is still the best in this class, but NOT so much better than the competition that it has NO competition. The Hey Day for most car manuafactures is over. EVERYONE is improving, including GM, Ford and Chrysler.
  • hydra2hydra2 Member Posts: 114
    Both are great cars, you pay your money and voice your choice. Accord v6 ex navi is well rounded. Major shortcoming is lack of stability control. Rear end might need to grow on you, but it is not a deal breaker. Xle Camry was high on our list since it offered all the goodies, including stability control, with weak handling. Scales were tilted in favor of the Accord by the Accord's better handling, superior interior, navi and XM Radio for thousands less. Handling, inferior navi, less power, low hanging exhaust pipe(standoff on accord's rear end) and cost all caused the xle to come up short. The SE adds power and handling, but keeps the low hanging exhaust pipe and other xle shortcomings, plus it does not offer all of the xle options. Also for a while there was some confusion about summer tires being standard on se models sent to the snowbelt. Not everyone likes the squashed in from the sides look of the camry, but as with the accord taste is subjective.
  • reillymp1reillymp1 Member Posts: 3
    Hopefully some of you can help me with a decision. I currently have a 95 Civic Ex coupe w/102k miles. In great shape for its age, just few minor repairs over the years. Problem is w/a 2 door car, I'm getting killed trying to put my 14 month old in and out of the car seat in the back. So of course I'm looking to move up to something a tad bigger w/4 doors. I am in no position right now to take on a monthly payment, but I have been offered a 93 Accord (Ann. Ed.) at a reasonable price from a family member being put in a company car. Catch is the Accord has 200k on it (mix of city and highway), but it has been well taken care of over the years. Would I be absolutely insane for getting out of my Civic for the Accord?
    Thanks for any input.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    It has 150K on it right now and still looks like a brand new car all the way down to the carpet on the floor. If the car was maintained, I don't see the problem. Make sure you find out when the timing belt was last changed and do a brake fluid flush. You should be fine. I have an SI and I know what a pain it is to get a kid into the child seat in the back.
  • steveaccordsteveaccord Member Posts: 108
    Hi, well I think no one can really vouch for it! You have an 11 yo vehicle with 200K. Even if you had the full servicing record showing substitution for all parts that scheduled maintenance suggest are due up you will be left with exposure to breakage and the certainty that that vehicle does not offer any longer the substantial crash worthiness of recent models. If you need to save a buck or two I would at least shop '97 and above. That the model year mandating new standard on the 'side bars' and various improvements have been added along the way. So if you can find yourself Honda/Toyotas '97 and up (4 doors).
    You certainly deserve more comfort but your bundle of joy and yourself both deserve maximum safety (my opinion at least!).
    Good luck!
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    “Honda/Acura aseembly line capacity may be at peak”

    Yep. Here is a news item from Honda that suggests exactly that. Honda will produce some Accords at East Liberty to “make room” for more production of TL at Marysville.

    It appears, Honda is going to really take advantage of its flexible production process now.
  • stragerstrager Member Posts: 308
    Styling is subjective, but the Accord was clearly designed to appeal to the older demographic, imho. Traditionally, among the so-called "family sedans", the Accord in the past always had the youngest owners. That is no longer true, mainly because the Buick styling doesn't appeal to the majority of younger drivers.

    Just yesterday I saw a '96 Accord and the new Accord side by side. The older Accord had a young woman who looked to be in her twenties, the new Accord had a silver haired gentleman, probably in his 60s. The '96 Accord looked trim, athletic and like a cousin of the new TL or TSX. The bloated new Accord looks unworthy of the Accord name, except for its driving dynamics which may be the best among its competitors.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    strager: I am a 24 year old female who is on her second 7th generation Accord ( a 2003 coupe and a 2004 sedan) and my 4th new Accord overall (99 Accord sedan and 2001 coupe). So your presumptions based on seeing two Accords is far from a sample of the entire Accord population. I have seen the current generation driven by people in their 20's, 30's, 40's, etc. Besides, when you see a Corvette/Porsche it is normally driven by an older gentleman ... does that mean that the Corvettes and Porsches are bloated and unworthy of their name?
  • 03accordman03accordman Member Posts: 671
    I am a 32 yr old and absolutely love my 2004 Accord (32k miles in 16 months). I think this is the prettiest Accord in a long time, and definitely don't think the rear is bloated or 'buicky' as some insist. Just depends on each person's choice. As Anony correctly posted, most Ferrari's, Porsches, Lamborghini's etc are driven by older people, mostly due to them being able to afford those cars later in their life. Probably the reason you saw a young woman in an older Accord.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    May be because the young lady couldn’t afford anything but an older Accord. Average age of an Accord buyer is what? 45? That’s about the same as Corolla’s.

    I feel that the new Accord looks far more athletic (yes, Cheetah-like) than the 94-97 version. 98-02 Accord (I have a 98), looks like a “safe design” that doesn’t stand out, and is more conservative than the current. I still remember the old days here at Edmunds, when I was arguing about the “styling of 98 Accord”, and so many were putting it down back then. Today, I feel, 98 Accord is among the better looking sedans of its era. Mine looks like new!
  • stragerstrager Member Posts: 308
    It doesn't really matter what we (me or any of the posters on this board) think of the Accord's styling. There will always be someone in their 20s who doesn't see Buick in the new Accord. What's more important is data that shows both the Civic and Accord with big increases in the average age of their customers in the past few years.

    There are rumors that Honda will do a major freshening of the Accord to coincide with the intro of the hybrid to get rid of the Buick look.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    I repeat something I have mentioned earlier...

    Repeat buyers will cause average age to increase. I would like to know if there has been a car, over an extended period of time, that has seen a drop in average age.

    BTW, do you have any idea of the average age of a "new car" buyer in America?

    I still don't see any Buick in the Accord. Buicks to me meant, trunk as long as the hood as long as the passenger cabin. Accord will see some cosmetic changes, as it always has in the third or fourth year of model cycle. That doesn't come as a surprise.
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    Gee, I feel so OLD! I'm 65 and drive a silver EX-L AT 4 cyl. sedan. What hair is left (not much) is still mostly brown--more gray hair would match the car better, but no hurry to get grayer.

    Sorry that I'm raising the average age of new Accord owners ;) ......Richard
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    You may try to stay away from Mazda dealership, or companies that want to go younger. They may not let you in to buy a car simply because you could hurt their image in terms of rising average age. :-)
  • rampedramped Member Posts: 358
    Going to work the past few days, I've seen several groups of older (retirement age) women in cars. Most of the time, they were riding either Regals, Accords or Camrys. One group was in a Mercedes and another in a Grand Marquis.

    I haven't seen a lot of Mazda 6's on the road, but those drivers are almost always 20 or 30 somethings. Never saw a group of retirement age people in one.

    My dad drives a a 98 V6 Accord ( black with a spoiler, and it's beautiful. Still looks factory). If he was going to buy another car tomorrow, it would almost positively be another Accord. He would never look at an Altima or a Mazda 6.

    Of course this is all anecdotal and others can rebutt this post with observations of their own, but I have to believe that styling (along with reliability) is a major reason why so many older drivers select Regals, Malibus, Accords and Camrys while, for the most part, ignoring Altimas, Passats, Galants and Mazda's 6.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    ... is that for the posterior that's used to the softness of a Buick Century or Toyota Camry, the Accord's ride is too hard. It was described as "unbearable" in a recent post, although I have no idea of the age group of that poster. At least that's the general rule of thumb in the US.

    Some friends of my mom's are in their late '70s, and I take her to visit them from time to time. They had a '96 Mercury Sable that they hated... thought it rode like a truck. They asked me for a recommendation for their next car, as they were considering a Buick Century. I tried to steer them toward a Camry, telling them that the Camry has smooth ride down to a science, without the floaty, boaty feel of a Buick. When it came time to buy, though, GM's over-the-top incentives along with a bit of concern about buying their first import branded car resulted in them going to the Buick.

    Anyway, when these folks rode in my 2000 Accord, they said that the ride was too firm for them.

    I'm not trying to over-empahsize the stereotype... as evidenced uptopic, not all folks in that age range want a soft riding car, but based on my experience and observations, I believe that many of them do. Their heyday with cars was the '50s and '60s, before Japanese imports had any presence in the US market. Buicks, Cadillacs, Mercurys and Lincolns were the cars to aspire to then, unless you were looking for a sports car.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    The largest segment of the population is older. So of course a $20,000 family sedan will have an increasing age bracket.

    Scion didn't come to the market with a mid-sized $20,000 family sedan did they? I mean come on.
  • stragerstrager Member Posts: 308
    Agree 100%. That's exactly what's been my observation.

    I think the Accord also satisfies seniors who want a "sporty" Buick with Japanese reliability.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    They sell 350,000-400,000 Accords a year in the U.S. I wonder how significant are local anecdotal "observations"? I know in one section of Atlanta you'd think Mercedes outsold Honda there are so many of them. But out here in the sticks where I live, you'd think we were the only ones who drove a car since there are nothing but SUV's and trucks.
  • steveaccordsteveaccord Member Posts: 108
    You may be onto something here! Yes, most certainly we assume that wiht age comes wisdom (experience). So it happens that my 3 year old girl likes sparkling dresses and faux jewelry now and will grow on to appreciate more substantial styling as she will grow on.

    I guess it is a sort of physiological evolution, as a young individual you give in a lot more to peer pressure (read also as 'specialized press'). Probably you hope that fitting in and having the 'cool car' will give you the opportunity for giving a lift to that sweetheart you saw at the pub! :-)

    In brief, you seem to be very understanding of how is your dad goes Accord and I am almost sure he is likewise (foreseeing the day you'll visit riding on an Accord of your own!).

    btw I would not pass over a Passat except I have reservations about reliability, otherwise wonderful car ( I have driven my best friend V6 several times, even weeks at the time, and enjoyed it very much. Eventually I dislike hearing how unhappy he is when the car goes to the shop for various little things not working properly (again may be he is being to harsh since he used to drive a Civic that gave him no problem whatsoever during the 10+ y he owned it).

    I have not looked if this issue of advancing age of Accord buyers has lingered long in this post and what is the cut but I wanted to offer the following consideration. Population statistics indicate a trend of above 40 yo folks accounting for an ever increasing portion of total population (think of the 'baby boomers', so even statistically speaking, number would be biased to show an increase in age average not just for Accords but almost any vehicle since ther are more buyers in that age segment that any time before). If this argument is not enough than I'll offer a second one based always on the 'baby boomers' and swelling of the older folk ranks. Since there are more older people and they average to have more purchasing power that any other population segment their preferring Accords would give Honda an edge for the next 2 decades or so. That gives plenty of times (and money) to rejuviante the product line!! ;-)
  • rampedramped Member Posts: 358
    I don't understand why so many people think the Accord has a stiff ride. Sure, it's not floaty, but the several I have ridden in and driven have always been very comfortable, absorbed most bumps without much fuss and are very smooth on the road. They also have pretty good feedback behind the wheel. It's remarkable that a mainstream car can also satisfy enthusiasts. I'd love to have my dad's 98 Accord (with only 36K. Can you believe it?). It is sweet.

    Now, anyone who has spent three or four decades floating along in Caprices or Sedan de Villes won't be happy with the Accord or any other midsize import outside of a Avalon or Lexus, but the new wave of baby boomer retirees over the next 20 years (moi included) will be accustomed to driving well-built, good-handling cars. The Accord fits the bill.

    I just wish it looked more like the TL. That is a killer lookin' ride!

    Note to Steve: Wonderful missive above, but it doesn't apply to me. Knock, knock, knockin' on 50s door in September! But, I like to think I'm a lot younger when I buy a car. Don't we all :)
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    IF the average age of the Accord buyer is going up I have contributed partly because I bought my first Accord at 19, my second at 21, my third at 23, and my fourth at 24.
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    When Lee Iacocca was running Chrysler Corp. he said, "You can sell young cars to old people, but you can't sell old cars to young people." Still sounds correct to me.

    Of course, it's a bad idea for a car company to try too hard to appeal to the very young. The Saturn ION attempted youth marketing to a fault. The car drives OK, but the interior looks like a child's playroom. How many teenagers or recent college grads really want that?

    The new Accord is very appealing to people of all ages who want a solid, modern car that has some fun built into it.......Richard
  • rampedramped Member Posts: 358
    I hope for your sake that you have close relatives at the Honda dealer :)
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    But after buying a grand total of 8 new Hondas (we have also bought a 98 Civic, two 2002 Si's, and a 2003 Si) over the last 6 years my husband and I have some very close, personal friends there :) Too bad Honda doesn't offer some type of owner loyalty rebate. Even if it were only $500 per car it would have saved us $4,000 over the last few years.
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    well, to me, the new Accord is the first actual Accord that is styled, doesn't look so Japanese. Hondas and Toyotas in the past tended to look like economy cars. the 02 EX V6 Accord simply looked like a Corolla, except they wanted $24k for it. no thanks.

    also, if Honda is courting older drivers (not sure they are, since the TL is so sporty looking as opposed to elegant looking), it might be to improve the brand "image". lets be honest here - Honda didn't have the best image in the 90's with movies like "Fast and the Furious". the brand was kind of dragged into the lower eschilons of car brands (based on prestige) by that. maybe they figure a 17 year old will hate the new Accord so much, and leave it for someone else to buy? ;)
  • dudleyrdudleyr Member Posts: 3,469
    My in laws are looking at the Mazda 6 even though they are close to retirement. One thing is that the older people may not even be aware a vehicle is supposed to be hip - they certainly aren't going to catch the ads in Rolling Stone, MTV, or during the X-games.

    I think most people would be surprised how old the average new car buyer is. There are not too many new cars with an average buyer that is less than 40 years old. Even the hip Honda Element has an average age of over 40. The problem is not choice of vehicle, but money. New cars cost more, and younger buyers tend to have less money and are more likely to buy used cars.
  • tlaurotlauro Member Posts: 504
    for me it was a value consideration. my wife and I have had fairly expensive cars from SUV's to Mercedes, but times change. We're in our mid 30's, invested money into several rental properties and have one with a second child in route. now, anything more than a $25k-$30k car is just not practicle for our plans. the accord offered everything I wanted, and even fully loaded with navi and all and of course my list of mods, it's still less than $30k......still a lot of money.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    Don't get me wrong... I think my Accord's ride is just about perfect. Your evaluation of it matches mine exactly. I was just making a point that it doesn't necessarily appeal to seniors because the ride isn't soft. Firm, compliant and comfortable, yes; soft and floaty, no. Personally, I wouldn't have it any other way.

    In fact, in the exchange uptopic, the person who described the Accord's ride as "unbearable" suggested that Honda soften the Accord's ride to make it more like a Camry. NOOOOOOOOOOOO! If you want a car that rides like a Camry, buy a Camry. But leave my firm riding Accord alone!
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    When you really think about it, anything over
    $25,000 for any car is hardly worth the extra money.

    For your $25K (after all costs) you get all-around airbags, ABS, leather interior, XM radio, sunroof almost everything power operated, etc.

    Whether it's worth spending more for an image is a personal choice. I can afford whatever I want, but stopped with the Accord EX-L because it had as much or more than what I wanted in any car.....Richard
  • carguy58carguy58 Member Posts: 2,303
    and have followed Honda ever since the 94 Accord came out.

    I agree with Strager the 96 Accord looked athletic just like the current TL. The new ones just blends in with everything else. The 1998-2000 Accord also looked good and still looks good.

    Alpha: about the Camry the interior I don't like it. Like I said before if they put the Camry Solara interior into the Camry then the Camry would be worth an actual look. Although I do like the 97-01 Camry's exterior better than the new one is still worthy of a look-at at the showroom.

    As far as younger buyers the Accord Coupe is Honda's saving grace with this generation of Accord.

    As a young buyer and a Honda follower for 10 years I don't like with the did with the 03-04 Accord exterior. I'm not a fan of the 03 Accord sedan styling and probably never will be. To me it was a mistake.

    As far as Honda's image is concerned if Honda wants to get away from that young person image of the 90's they will regret it. Thats what Honda has always been built on: getting young people into showrooms. As far as improving who cares unless have a bad reputation like Kia or something.

    Lastly, I'm really with Strager on this one: the Accord is a good car but the styling just doesn't do anything. The styling is trying to lean toward elegant and classic which to me it just doesn't do for me. Classic and elegant was the 92-93 Accord. If Honda wanted to go to back to something like that they should the current Accord styled differently.

    I used to have a 98 Mazda 626: it was inoffensive looking but its wasn't styled like the current Accord sedan is. Everbody said how the 98 626 and 98 Altima were so bland. I think the late 90's Altima and 626 look better than the 03 Accord sedan.

    In conslusion I think the 03 Accord was to win buyers from GM and Ford who have been buying those 2 makes for 20 years with the 03 Accord styling. It was a gutsy move but it turned me off as a Honda follower.

    As far as the TL styling is concerned well the styling was too win people from German makes. Historically German Makes have more style in their cars than Japanese makes do. So I guess Honda went to work and styled a car(the 04 TL) that was going to win people who were owners of German Cars(BMW and Audi.) So far so good. Not only did Honda win buyers from German makes with the 04 TL you have buyers that were owners of the 99-03 TL trading in for an 04 TL. The 04 TL is a win-win for Honda.
  • jrock65jrock65 Member Posts: 1,371
    "and again, what i am saying is, even if the Nissan was better than the Accord, American's wouldn't buy it. its an image thing. while some say the Accord is ugly, it certainly doesn't sell that way. the Altima is the type of car that would sell well in Cali or South Florida and some southwest states, but overall, it is TOO styled, too complicated, too many "looks" on one car. i mean, if Honda sales are slumping because the Accord is ugly, then why isn't the Altima catching up?"

    In the first quarter this year, Honda sold 83,000 Accords and Nissan sold 63,000 Altimas. Assuming that 20% of the Accords are coupes, the Altima has already caught up.

    Not a knock on the Accord or anything. In fact, I plan to scoop one up in a few weeks. But the Altima is a great car in its own right.
  • snakehairsnakehair Member Posts: 120
    is not fixed (at least in my family). I am 58 and think my '03 EX V6 sedan is hoot to drive. My 39 year old son loves and covets it while the 40 year old boy just bought a new Mazda 6 to play with. His 19 year old son (my grandson) doesn't care which he drives while he is customizing his Civic. Ride is firm, but controlled, responsiveness is great in all conditions and the price was right (had been looking in the mid 30's for a new car. Of course there is always a throwback, my 37 year old son loves only pickups.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    "I think the late 90's Altima and 626 look better than the 03 Accord sedan."

    Guess this shows how dramatically tastes can differ. I respect your opinion, but disagree completely. Particularly the Altima...
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    "think the late 90's Altima and 626 look better than the 03 Accord sedan."

    And I find that quite amusing.
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    the original 93/94 626 ES V6 was good looking. my step mom STILL has hers...won't die. 5 speed though, not Ford automatic.

    i agree also that the early 90's Accords are true classics. just like the 99-05 Jettas - cars that will never go out of style. i tend to think that the 03-04 Accord will be the same.

    also, i don't think the Accord Coupe accounts for 20% of Accord sales. anyone have any real numbers for that? if so, the Coupes sure aren't big in the DC area....maybe on the West Coast? the big coupe around here is the 325Ci.
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    I find it interesting that people debate styling so heavily.... it really is in the eye of the beholder, and aside from catastropic blunders like the 1996 Taurus or current Aztec, is really hardly worth noting in discussing competition. Its really an aspect of a vehicle that is completely personal, and illogical to debate.

    ~alpha
  • nw1997nw1997 Member Posts: 227
    Totally agree with u. We were always loyal Camry/Toyota consumers, but a bad experience made us look back at the Accord. As to this day we like our Accord, and never had any second thoughts on making the decision to purchase the Accord. Each vehicle has it's plus and minus, there is no such thing as a perfect all-around vehicle, no matter how much a person is willing to spend. LOL
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    I think this Accord will age just as nicely as previous generations. The 02 Altimas started to look dated to me barely a year after it's introduction. Also, even though I am not a fan of the current generation Camry I think it will also age nicely. Only thing I do not like about the Camry is the interior. I prefer the more traditional "waterfall" design of the Accord.
  • rampedramped Member Posts: 358
    You are correct that there is little point in discussing whether or not you like the style of a vehicle. Everyone has their own taste.

    But, what might be noteworthy is how the styling of a car ultimately affects its sales. For example, the restyled Altima has sold dramatically better than the previous edition, while the Accord sales seem stagnant. There are always a variety of factors that affect car sales, and, of course, styling is a big one for many people.
  • 03accordman03accordman Member Posts: 671
    The main reason the redesigned Altima is selling better than its predecessor is that it is now a real midsize car, when the earlier was a compact, and was hardly competition for the Accord/Camry.

    The current Accord sales are stagnant because they were already selling around 400k a year and that is all teh market there is for it. Similarly, the Camry sales are also stagnant for the same reason.
  • azorglubazorglub Member Posts: 43
    because it's reliable, it's cheaper than its main competitors (Nissan, Mazda, Toyota) and offers all the main amenities that buyers are looking for. Look wise, as long as the car is bland enough not to offend anybody, it'll do fine. Because of all the above, I'll probably buy one in the next 6 months (waiting for the 04 sale).
  • carguy58carguy58 Member Posts: 2,303
    I don't think it looks dated at all. Maybe in 4 years the Altima will start to look dated because of the tailights. With the Altima styling the tailights may not age well. I think the current Accord kinda looks outdueld in the styling department by its big cousin the TSX myself.

    TAlon 95: Even though the late 90's Altima and 626 are reatively inoffensive looking they still look like Japanese Cars. Just for the record I think the 96-97 Altima's looked better than the 98-01 Altima's. I don't think the previous generation Altima is winning any best looking car contests.

    On the Camry like anoy said in post 14525 I am not a huge fan but the current Camry its an relatively inoffensive loooking car color in the right color combo(I think the Camry looks good in that light to medium blue color mayself.) It should age ok. The 92-96 Camry's are pretty classic looking.

    In my family everybody drives Domestic Big 3 cars. My Mom likes the new Mazda 6. She drives a Pontiac. I never thought she would even look at a Mazda product. She always used to laught at my 626 because of the way it looked. She said it looked like a little toy.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,698
    "the floaty, boaty feel of a Buick"

    I keep reminding folks that you need to drive a recent LeSabre or Park Avenue if you think a Buick is floaty and boaty. Loaner Regals I've had also are good.

    My 03 rides firmly with 225/60 Michelins on 16inch wheels and is still comfortable on city streets, rural backroads, and interstate highways. I personally didn't like the ride of the 03 Accord when I test drove, but probably would have 20 years ago when I used to buy Mustangs with HD suspensions. It's a matter of being accustomed to the ride and liking the same again when choosing the next car, whether it's a Camry, Accord, or LeSabre -- whatever is your taste.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    The only recent experience that I've had with a Buick is a 2002 Century. IMO, floaty and boaty describes it perfectly. But I like the Accord's ride and find it very comfortable. If you think an Accord has a hard ride, your definition of "rides firmly" and mine obviously differ. It all depends on your point of reference.

    This may become an old stereotype with the new direction of Buick, but they've got a ways to go before most people will consider them to be much of anything other than big cars with VERY soft suspension tuning.

    Again, just my opinion.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    If they are well-maintained the 92-96 Camrys still look great. Same goes for the 90-93 Accords. I think Nissan designs of the mid 90's will age much better than their current designs. One example is I feel that the 97-99 Maxima has aged better than the 00-03 Maxima.

    The Accord does drive firmly. It's not rough, but it is rather firm over the bumps. Didn't really notice it until I was riding home from the hospital a few weeks ago after having surgery. Now that I have recovered I don't mind it though.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    "the restyled Altima has sold dramatically better than the previous edition, while the Accord sales seem stagnant"

    Altima is selling better because Maxima is virtually gone. Sales have shifted towards Altima, from Maxima (the combined sales of the two cars is probably still the same).

    Accord and Camry sell at virtual saturation point. It may be hard to sell 400K or more units of any sedan on a consistent basis.
  • stacey_burkestacey_burke Member Posts: 88
    I know that this topic is around a number of different boards, however, I thought that if there was one central place I could get feedback.

    I live in a mountain state (colorado) and drive the mountains a lot. I have 2 Accords V6 (99 and 01) and they are great.

    What do you think about owning a 4 cly in areas like colorado.
  • rampedramped Member Posts: 358
    Good point about Maxima sales decreasing, while the Altima's are increasing. One major factor in that shift is the Maxima's new look, which has somewhat alienated long-time Maxima owners, like myself. The Maxima has also pushed into a price range where it really can't compete.

    I'm not sure why some consider the Accord's "saturation" sales point to be 400,000, though. The market for midsize sedans is in the several millions, so I would think that Honda wouldn't mind capturing greater market share as long as it has the building capacity.

    I've always thought that a "sports edition" Accord would sell pretty well and maybe bring in incremental sales. Saturn is trying this with its Redline series, currently on the Ion and Vue, and the Vue is a pretty attractive vehicle in that body style, especially since it has the Honda V-6 under the hood. It's actually a vehicle I am considering, although Saturn's interior materials are pretty cheap.
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