Older Honda Accords

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  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    Well, while I do have access to the TSBs, I'm not an expert. But based on what I've seen, there really aren't any mission critical things or potential major issues to watch out for.

    Overall, my 2003 V6 has been impressively trouble free. Hope you find your 2004 to be the same.
  • kenm8kenm8 Member Posts: 71
    A factor to consider when trying to choose between the V6 and 4 is nimbleness and handling. According to Edmunds Specs, the Accord EX 4 weighs 3210 pounds and the EX V6 weighs 3384. That is 174 extra pounds, most of it probably over the front wheels. This extra weight hurts the F/R weight distribution factor and affects handling. Understandably, the Honda engineers try to compensate for the extra weight by bigger tires and changes in suspension setup.

    I test drove an 04 EX V6 last October and overall it was an excellent car. I did not drive the 4 for comparison. The wife was looking for a new car and ended up with an Acura TL.

    Hopefully, most persons trying to choose between the 4 and V6 would get to drive each car (best without a salesperson) over a “familiar” set of back/country roads with curves, hills, crests and twists to make a valid comparison for themselves. Some car dealers try to limit test drives to city/suburban streets.

    I did previously own a 95 Accord LX V6. I do recall test driving both the 1995 V6 and 4 in Feb of 1995 and the 4 was more nimble and handled better than the V6. Alas, I bought the V6 anyway because it had a little better acceleration. There were times during ownership when I thought that the 4 would have been a better choice. We owned an 86 Accord (4 cyl of course) through 247K miles and always felt that it handled well and was light on its feet.

    Reliability - Engines on past Honda cars that we have owned have been bullit-proof:

    84 Prelude 195K mi
    86 Accord 247K mi
    95 Accord V6 70K mi
    98 Accord V6 50K mi
    01 Acura TL 71K mi
  • cgeorgecgeorge Member Posts: 5
    My 04 Accord EX V6 seems to have a very sensitive brake. As a result, my car stops too jerky even when I step on the brake gently. Did anyone notice the same problem?
  • simonsez5simonsez5 Member Posts: 21
    Thanks for the reassurance talon, now I'm back as a prospective future Accord owner!! kidding aside, give credit to the Honda engineers for building not 1 but TWO outstanding engines, I'm sure I'm not the only one here who reads the automotive press but both engines have gotten nothing but high praise!! IMHO they are both at (or near) the top of their categories when it comes to smoothness, torque-happy, rev-happy AND very fuel-efficient powerplants!. I keep hearing that Honda sales worldwide are plummeting but given the rise of fuel, I think sales will pick up significantly!!
  • lmacmillmacmil Member Posts: 1,758
    Man, what a smooth talker you are! It's always a pleasure to read an intelligent, well-reasoned post. One doesn't find that too often on internet forums, regardless of topic.

    Btw, do own the sedan or the coupe?
  • chucko3chucko3 Member Posts: 793
    If you just bought the car recently, drive it a few times.
    I too felt my 03EXV6 brakes too sensitive and grabby comparing with my 89.
    After driving for a while, I got used to it and didn't feel it sensitive anymore. Also, try not to pump the brake pedal and see if the sensitivity/jerky goes away.
  • chucko3chucko3 Member Posts: 793
    do you care to share which 3 TSBs affected your 03EXV6?
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    Thanks for the compliment... I guess I figure if it's worth posting, it's worth putting some time into it. From reading your posts, you seem to take a similar approach.

    I've got a 2003 EX V6 sedan, and I love it!
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    Sure, why not...

    - The hanging trunk trim
    - The rotten egg smell (it goes in for that tomorrow)
    - And at the risk of opening myself up for criticism that I don't know how to drive properly (inside joke), the brake shudder

    I haven't had any problems (knock on wood) with interior creaks and rattles, sagging headliner or the like.
  • chucko3chucko3 Member Posts: 793
    Do you hear a slight creaking noise when you open the rear doors?
    The noise comes from the foam gromet rubbing against the hinge bar. I put some grease on the bar, but does no good.
    That's the only creaking noise my 03EXV6 has.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    Nope, no such problem on mine... I think that might be a more isolated problem than some of these other noises.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    I now have 17,500 miles on my 04 EX-L and love it to death. So far no problems, serious or minor, to speak of (knock on wood).
  • tlaurotlauro Member Posts: 504
    PCM update also was related to those that had a hard time starting in certain instances.
  • slawendaslawenda Member Posts: 101
    I am a soon-to-be owner (will buy in next 1-2 weeks) of a most likely 6 cylinder EX sedan with Navigation. Regarding the recent discussion of the 4 vs. 6 cylinder, I have two questions for everyone.

    1) How many of you owners of the 6 cylinder sedan feel that the handling is compromised in some way, or wish you had the 4 for handling? My thinking is that the more expensive sedans out there (TL, BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, etc.) with the bigger engines probably all have similar weight distributions (front and rear), so in that sense an Accord V6 is probably similar as far as weight distribution, front and rear, to other such models, although of course significantly cheaper. In other words, even though the handling of the 4 might be better than the 6, that the 6's handling is not bad, and in fact is probably comparable with other more expensive sedans with heavier engines. What do you think?

    2) How many of you with the 4 cylinder sedan have the issue of vibration at idle? Is this an issue that has been resolved, or is it still an issue, even with the '04s? Is it more vibration than, say, a previous generation Accord 4 cylinder?

    Thanks--I think I am going to end up buying a 6 for its power, but depending on your feedback on the handling and on the idle vibration, my opinion could change. Either way, I am sure I will be happy--as many on this board agree, you can't go wrong with either, both are great engines!
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    I have never driven the 03+ V6 Accord. However, I did own a 2001 EX V6 Accord and I have to say that the 4 cylinder in my 04 EX-L seems to offer similar performance to the 01 V6 while getting better gas mileage. The 01 V6 I had was smooth and probably a bit quieter but the 5-speed transmission in the 04 is much improved as far as smoothness and shift points are concerned. I don't feel that my 04 4-cylinder offers a significantly improved balance feel over the 01 V6 though so the same is probably true for the 03+ V6.

    In the end, drive them both and decide which YOU like better. I drove the 4 cylinder and decided there was no need to drive the V6. That decision probably saved me a couple thousand dollars because knowing me I woulda bought the V6 if I had driven it.
  • ghuletghulet Member Posts: 2,564
    Anyone have any experience with the '86-89 Accord LXi (the fuel-injected model)? I know buying a car this old is a gamble no matter what, but wondering if this engine is any more durable than the carburated one on the DX and LX?
  • slawendaslawenda Member Posts: 101
    "That decision probably saved me a couple thousand dollars because knowing me I woulda bought the V6 if I had driven it."

    It's too late--I have already driven the 6, and I liked it a lot, but I wasn't really paying specific attention to handling. I was focusing more on the acceleration and smoothness, which of course was (surprise!) better with the 6 for me, although not that the 4 is in any way slow or rough.

    I didn't notice any problems with the handling of the 6, but I think on maybe one turn the front felt a bit heavy to me, but I could have been imagining something. I am afraid to keep test driving them--I think I will end up driving the dealers crazy, if not myself crazy! I would much rather listen to experienced owners on this board! Besides, even if the front feels a little heavier on the 6, that just might be something that one gets used to, in exchange for more power and smoothness. I haven't driven many luxury sedans, but I imagine with their more heavy and powerful engines, that the feel is similar? In other words, this just might be the way a luxury sedan is "supposed" to handle, given it's heavier engine? I also imagine that this handling difference, subtle or not, is similar in other models such as the Camry 4 vs. 6, the Altima 4 vs. 6, etc. Am I right?

    Any other thoughts?
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    No problems with our 2003 4 cylinder Accord. It must be the way I maintain this vehicle!
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    Do a search on this subject! All the transmission problems are with the V6 Accord!
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    Well, all I can say is that I'm very satisfied with the handling of my Accord V6. It's very responsive to steering input and goes where I want it to go with no problems. I'm guessing that the weight difference wouldn't become real apparent until you push the car to, say, 8/10ths or above. But that's just a guess... I don't have enough time behind the wheel of a 4-cyl. Accord to be able to compare to a great extent.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    "Do a search on this subject! All the transmission problems are with the V6 Accord!"

    I did the research for you... given that there are 2 automatic transmission-related TSBs for the 2003/2004 L4 Accord, one of which requiring a transmission replacement to fix, your statement is obviously incorrect.

    The only automatic transmission-related TSB for the current gen V6 Accord is a firmware upgrade recommended under certain conditions that takes about 20 minutes. Nothing that requires transmission replacement. Doesn't require going into the transmission at all.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Member Posts: 3,469
    No the Accord V-6 will not have weight distribution similiar to the BMW or Benz - after all they are rear wheel drive. ; ^ ).

    To me the 4 feels more nimble than the V-6, but the manual transmission (that I drove) saves another 50 lbs or so, plus makes the car peppier. Both of those things probably add to the feeling. Comparing two automatics, the diff may not be as great. FWIW the 4 cyl is just as fast as the V-6 of just a few years ago. The 4 also gets 34 EPA on the highway compared to 30 for the V-6. The 4 is so good that I would never consider the V-6 even if they were the same price, but some people seem to like it.
  • stacey_burkestacey_burke Member Posts: 88
    I asked this question over a month ago and did not get much in way of replys. Maybe now there will be more people that could answer this question: I live in Colorado and worry about the 4 CLY in the mountains. Does anyone live in the mountains that have a 4 CLY? How does it run on long upgrades of mountain driving? Thanks
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    Go to: "Browse by topic", then to: "transmissions", then to: "Transmission Traumas", then search: "Honda".
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    Go to the "net" and search: ----"V6 Honda Accord Transmission Problems"! The V6 transmission is a problem.
  • snakehairsnakehair Member Posts: 120
    I have the same creaking noise only on the driver's side and after not opening the rear door for a while. If you come up witha fix,please post it. I was going to try some of that lithium spray on the hinges, but hadn't got to it.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    This discussion of L4 vs. V6 has been in response to post #14589, in which maddy1 asked for opinions about NEW Accords. Your recommended searches returned information about the well known problems with the transmissions in 6th generation ('98-'02) V6 Accords. The Accord's automatic transmission for the current 7th generation model has been redesigned, and does not share the problems with the previous generation.

    So your point about transmission problems with V6 Accords DOES NOT apply to the current generation Accords that are the subject of this ongoing exchange.

    And as I demonstrated earlier, the headliner and interior noise issues that you warned about with the V6 in reality are recognized issues with ALL ACCORDS, including the L4. The relevance and/or accuracy of the information you've provided leaves much to be desired.
  • lmacmillmacmil Member Posts: 1,758
    Driving in the mountains is definitely going to be easier with the V6, especially if you are on 2 lane roads and need to pass. There's just no comparison between the 4 and the V6 in midrange power, especially if both are automatic. Btw, on 10,000 miles a year, a 4 mpg difference is only $140 difference at $2/gal.
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    I have owned and / or leased 3 four cylinder Accords since 1997, and I have not had any problems as listed for the 6 cylinder version of this vehicle. Honda simply cannot manufacture a dependable 6 cylinder drive train! QUESTIONS: ----How come all the interior noises are in the 6 cylinder version of this vehicle? ----How come the 6 cylinder version has water leaks in the trunk? ---The two vehicles are NOT the same! I would not own a Honda with a 6 cylinder drive train.
  • ppnffppnff Member Posts: 65
    I have owned the above vehicle for about 10 months and have had no problems. The V6 is substantially more powerful than the 4 cylinder, particularly, on the higher speeds, plus the engine sound is wonderful. The vehicle does feel less nimble and heavier, but the additional power (plus certain other perks like power passenger seats, traction control, etc.) is well worth the trade-off. Good luck on making the decision between the two. Both are wonderful and reliable vehicles.
  • simonsez5simonsez5 Member Posts: 21
    I’m looking at buying the I4 Accord and have never driven the V6 but regarding the last post, I’m willing to bet the farm that Honda have the engineering and smarts to produce one of the better V6s out there and they have!! The competition would love to get their hands on the blueprints for sure!!! It may have teething problems (but don't both do?) but I can’t see how the 2 vehicles are not the same save for the powertrain!!
  • chucko3chucko3 Member Posts: 793
    snakehair,
    The creaking noise comes and goes. And you really have to pay attention to hear it. The foam will wear out over time. So I wouldn't bother to fix it and make the matter worse.
  • chucko3chucko3 Member Posts: 793
    I own an 89 Accord LXi. It still has the orginal engine & tranny.
    The car has gone 199k w/out fuel injector cleaning. The engine still hasn't burnt any oil yet. The car only failed to start once when the alternator went. Oh yeah, I changed the oil every 3K miles when it was new. A very reliable car.
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    i test drove the 6 before the 4. so, the 4 didn't really do it for me. it still got to 65mph in a fairly fast manner, but it did it in a way that didn't sound as nice. thats really all.

    they both "drove" or "rode" the same to me. the 6 just seemed more refined to me.

    the 4 might not have as many brake issues though since it is lighter at the front vs. the heavier 6 cylinder where the brakes seem to catch on fire/score/fail/shudder etc...;)
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,698
    V6 Accords assembled? Are they all made in Ohio?

    I remember a big discussion about the difference between Japan-built and Ohio-built Accords.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • jimbresjimbres Member Posts: 2,025
    Ghulet -

    We owned an '87 LXi 5-speed, purchased new that year, for almost 12 years. Although the car looked ratty during the last couple of years we had it (my fault - I didn't bother to repair the damage from a parking lot mishap), it ran flawlessly & we had no trouble finding a buyer when we were ready to move on.

    My mechanic has a high regard for Accords from that era & says that a well-maintained '86 - '89 5-speed is good for an easy 200-250K with no more than routine maintenance. Even during the last 2 years of ownership, our repair bills never exceeded $1000/year.

    It was, quite possibly, the best car we've owned during the past 30 years. It was comfortable, nimble, reasonably fast (by late 80s standards) & economical (35 mpg at 70+ mph with the A/C running). I still regret selling it.
  • breckcobreckco Member Posts: 62
    Just have a few hundred miles on our 04 4cyl EX-L and notice a "shhhhhh" type noise from under the hood (sounds like the drivers side where the air box is). I hear it when accelerating and it's much more noticable with the windows up. It may be normal intake noise (4 cylinder toyota's do this a lot). Any ideas?
  • kenm8kenm8 Member Posts: 71
    Ghulet:

    We had an 86 Accord LXi with fuel injection and auto trans and never had any work done on engine or fuel injection except of course the timing belt and water pump replacement (can't recall the number of times). The engine still ran fine when we sold the car at 247K Mi. The car needed a rebuilt Honda Transmission at about 217K Mi. Also replaced were the alternator (2) and muffler and pipes (3?) and shocks/struts. I do recall that the engine had a rough idle at times and that the Honda service manager said this was inherent in its design.

    Our 84 Prelude had 2 carburators and a manual trans. Never had any trouble with the carbs nor the clutch/transmission. The car was sold at 195K Mi. The Prelude engine always had a smooth idle. We drove the car for 4 years without air conditioning until we gave in early one summer (1988) and had it installed by the dealer. There was some degradation in handling and nimbleness after the air conditioner was put in. I would guess that air cond components added approx 100 pounds over the front wheels.
  • mrelocmreloc Member Posts: 25
    I am getting ready to purchase an EX Leather (with heated seats). Since it has been so hot out, I can not determine if the seats are only heated on the bottom cushion or both the bottom and seat back. Can anyone confirm for me??
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    The driver's seat has the cushion and seat back heated. The passenger seat has only the cushion heated to accommodate the side air bag sensors, which would be rendered ineffective if the seat back was heated.
  • lyzettelyzette Member Posts: 13
    I am getting ready to purchase the 2004 Honda Accord EX Sedan, and I'd like to know people's thoughts on the performance of the car and how it handles. What are the pros and cons?

    Can anyone discuss this with me?
  • mrelocmreloc Member Posts: 25
    Phew! Thanks for the response- I am relieved. A friend of mine drove me to work in his EX this morning and when I tried the heated seat only my butt got hot. I have a bad back and since I am the primary driver, I really need the back to heat too. Your explanation makes sense.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    The only con I can think of in my 04 EX-L is that it seemed eager to downshift when encountering hills on my daily commute. A tank of 89 octane vs. 87 octane seems to have cured most of that though. Otherwise I can't think of anything to complain about. I get 30 MPG, it's comfortable, XM is awesome, and it's one of the safest cars in it's class.
  • lyzettelyzette Member Posts: 13
    You mentioned downshift.. I'm getting the 4-cyl. If ou're referring to the 4-cyl., I'll make sure to put grade 89 gas in the car.
    Another thing... How does it handle on pot holes, sewer holes, big bumps, etc.? Is it smooth or stiff?
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    Drive both the V6 and 4 considering some of the comments posted. If you don't need blazing acceleration, the 4 is fast enough for most people--0 to 60 in 9 seconds with automatic (the V6 takes only 7.5 seconds 0-60).

    The Accord's handling and braking are not quite up to the level of the Mazda 6i; however, the Accord feels much tighter and rides firmer than the Toyota Camry LE--the Mazda 6i's engine and transmission are crude compared with either the Camry or the Accord.

    Maybe it's my imagination, but after about 2000 miles, the ride in my Accord EX-L (4 cyl.) seems to be less harsh--perhaps the tires and other parts have some break-in that favorably affects the ride quality.

    The Accord's power delivery is very smooth--the engine and 5 speed automatic transmission are an ideal combination. Gas mileage in this 3200 lb. car is excellent--22.6 in the city and 33.2 on the highway.

    My suggestion is to drive the Accord EX and also, just to satisfy your curiosity, drive a Camry and a Mazda 6. You might find as I did that the Accord offers the best balance of drive train performance and handling.

    There is nothing I can think of to criticize about the Accord except that the steering wheel controls aren't illuminated and the turn signals don't click loudly enough.

    One suggestion: Get side curtain airbags which are very protective according to recent crash tests. ALL 2005 Accords will have them as standard equipment........Richard
  • lyzettelyzette Member Posts: 13
    Thanks, Richard. That information was very useful. You should work for Edmunds.com. Nicely put!!!

    FYI: The 2005 Honda Accords will have illuminated steering wheel controls, which will be very useful for night time driving.

    I am looking forward to my '04 Honda Accord EX Sedan. I have been reading so many good things on this car as it has excellent reviews.

    Lyzette
  • nw1997nw1997 Member Posts: 227
    lyzette,

        Have you also read the many awards that the 04 Accords have received? Check out Honda's web site. I don't believe that the competitors have these many awards.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    The Accord's suspension tuning is on the firm side though I don't find it to be too firm. It's almost perfect if you ask me. You don't want to run over huge pot holes with it but I wouldn't do that in any car.
     
    One thing I would check before test driving the Accord is the tire pressure. It can make a world of difference when it comes to road feel
  • lyzettelyzette Member Posts: 13
    No, I haven't. I'm going to visit the website now. Thanks for telling me!!! :-)

    Lyzette
  • lyzettelyzette Member Posts: 13
    You know... That's an awesome idea! I've never ever thought of that. I'm going to keep that in mind for now on when I go for test drives. Thanks so much!!!

    Lyzette
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