Older Honda Accords

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  • lmacmillmacmil Member Posts: 1,758
    >> am going to be trading in my 03 Highlander >>with the V6. One of the main reasons is that I >>am not happy with the MPG.

    Have you done the math on this trade? The difference between 18mpg (pessimistic overall est for the Highlander) and 28mpg (optimistic overall est for the Accord) is about $400/year assuming 10,000 miles & $2/gal. You're going to be "losing" thousands via this trade due to the depreciation hit.

    If you really want a sedan instead of an SUV, that's one thing but trading just to improve your mileage isn't a cost effective move. Check with your insurance company to see what, if any, savings you may get.
  • mickeygoomickeygoo Member Posts: 1
    I own a '93 Accord and have had no problems with the A/C (*knock on wood*). Cold air is still strong, though there's a not-so-friendly odor emanating from the system during cold start-ups - a quick mask of car freshener usually does the trick.

    A friend did tell me that R-12 systems are expensive to refill/ repair/replace.

    If you can, ask a local mechanic to see how much it would cost, and go from there.

    Good luck.
  • maxpower02maxpower02 Member Posts: 103
    My 03'EXV6 was built 11/02. If Honda is using build date to send the notices, some of us are going to be waiting awhile. Now have to call the dealership. That should be another month! (Grrr)

    Nowakj66: My Graphite color is holding up nicely, it looks as good as when I picked up the car from the dealer. However, I am a Zaino nut, so I guess I'm a little more careful with the finish on my car!
  • maxpower02maxpower02 Member Posts: 103
    I wanted to make an appointment for scheduled service. Okay, 2 weeks from now, Also said if they can do the tranny recall work. Put on hold, she comes back and says they are far behind on recall service and the earliest apppointment they have is the beginning of "October". So, I will be bring the car in for service in October. Luckily, I'm nowhere near 15M miles. "So many trannys, so little time".
  • nowakj66nowakj66 Member Posts: 709
    Thanks Maxpower 02. I wish the Graphite had the black interior (and the Eternal Blue for that matter). Gray is nice but I like the black better.

    Just thinking about getting an EX V6 auto for spouse access to vehicle (EX MT) and thinking of changing color. Just a day dream.

    Wife is dyed in the wool Sierra club type so she'd probably go for the hybrid even though it is more money.
  • minamina Member Posts: 2
    HELLO, I HAVE 1998 HONDA ACCORD THAT HAS A VIBRATION, AFTER TRANY OVER HAUL, AND MOUNTS HAVE BEEN REPLACE, ANY IDEAS?
  • minamina Member Posts: 2
    ARE THE 1998 ON THIS LIST?
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    No, the recall that was mentioned covers all 2003 and some 2004 V6 Accords.
  • atlantabennyatlantabenny Member Posts: 735
    Hello. I get to drive my wife's 4-cyl 03 EX-L and my V6 03 coupe, both automatics, on a regular basis. One way to look at the decision is that for roughly $1.00 more per day for 5 years, one gets the benefit of accident-avoidance power and some amenities with the V6.

    That said, if the V6 was never created, one could be perfectly happy with the 4-cyl for the instant - and later on, unconscious - connection it establishes with the driver. It makes a big difference at the end of a hard day when you just want the car to almost drive itself. It's that easy to drive.

    The V6 OTOH is somewhat ponderous and more involving (it's heavier by almost 200 lbs) to drive as tradeoffs for its power.

    If you make road trips on a regular basis, I'd recommend the V6 to ably carry a full load on the interstate. If it's 95% city driving, the 4's just fine.
  • bd21bd21 Member Posts: 437
    You lost me on the interstate comment. I have a 2001 Accord with over 10 less HP than the current version. I have a wife and two kids and when we hit the road we fill every square inch of the car up with stuff. Power has never been a problem and I've been cross country many times. I usually drive about 80 MPH all day long and I'm usually the guy passing the traffic. The four has plenty of power, unless of course you are trying to tow something heavy. A 6 cylinder is smoother and more powerful, but very few people really need it, they just want it. For that extra power, you trade off gas mileage. It's simply a matter of preference.
  • auntieshoesauntieshoes Member Posts: 14
    I did not do the math, but thanks for the calculation. I drive more than 10K a year. I have had the Toy 21 months and it has nearly 26K on it. I do plan to drive less due to a move. I know that it still probably won't add up.

    But there are other reasons I want the Honda. I do want a sedan rather than an SUV. I like having a trunk. (I have never the SUV's that don't have a rear window that opens independent from the gate - I have to open the garage door to get things in and out of the Toy.) Also, I will be getting more amenities with the Honda, such as dual climate control, moonroof, leather seats, a 6 CD player and side curtain airbags.

    I don't usually have more than one other person in the car with me, and I don't take road trips that fill the car to capacity so I don't have much use for an SUV. Don't ask me why I bought it in the first place.

    I know it may not make sense if you boil it down to simple math, but there is more to it.

    Thanks for your input though. This forum has been very helpful to me, just like it was when I bought the Highlander.
  • atlantabennyatlantabenny Member Posts: 735
    The 2001, with its 4-speed auto tranny, has different acceleration characteristics. We too had 2 of the gen 6 models, both 4-cyl automatics, and sure enough they were good on the interstate even with a full load because gearing kept rpms within the optimum torque range.

    The gen 7's 5-speed auto is different, however, in that the shift points are more fuel economy - driven. First and 2nd gear are brief and come in very quick succession, and 3rd to 5th are held out longer.

    The real-world effect of this shift program is that if caught in 2nd (like creeping at a yield intersection or when "kicking down" to pass/merge at high speed), the car labors - painfully - to accelerate. Planning to pass is mandatory with this car.

    Looking back at occasions I experienced this (and thankful there was no speeding vehicle / semi involved), I'm convinced that the gen 7's automatic shift program has a safety-related deficiency, especially with an inexperienced and/or inattentive driver at the wheel.

    For this reason I recommend the gen 7 V6 to folks who might be driving often in similar settings.
  • willcwongwillcwong Member Posts: 3
    I have a 2003 accord ex v6, but am getting really bad mileage of the most 16 mpg. I drive in the city and have my ac on about 80% of the time. I am using regular gas, also tested with premium but still no change in mileage. I only have 5,000 miles. The honda dealer said that it would improve in time but has not...what should I do?
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    " the car labors - painfully - to accelerate."

    I had a 04 EX-L automatic and never experienced this. Even with 4 people in the car with the AC on it accelerated just fine around town and on the highway. It was fine with 2 people, a baby, and a trunk full of stuff as well. There was never a time when I asked the Accord to accelerate and it failed to comply. I put my foot in it, it downshifted, and the engine went right up to redline.

    Anyone who can't safely manage traffic in the Accord doesn't need to be driving period.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    How many miles do you drive in your daily commute?
  • willcwongwillcwong Member Posts: 3
    I have a 2003 accord ex v6, but am getting really bad mileage of the most 16 mpg. I drive in the city and have my ac on about 80% of the time. I am using regular gas, also tested with premium but still no change in mileage. I only have 5,000 miles. The honda dealer said that it would improve in time but has not...what should I do? Any suggestions welcomed.
  • rcc8179rcc8179 Member Posts: 131
    "...the car labors - painfully - to accelerate. Planning to pass is mandatory with this car."

    I have to disagree. I have a '03 4-cyl EX AT with 42k miles and have no problem accelerating or passing. I went on a road trip this past weekend and drove 80+ mph (with the A/C on) up and down the hills in Alabama & Tennessee with ease. Maybe it is my frame of reference ('89 Accord DX - 2.0L carb. 4-cyl AT, 98hp), but this car has plenty of power.

    I will agree with you that if the car has just upshifted to 2nd and you floor it, it hesitates a second before it takes off--but I have only had this happen to me once. Otherwise it has been more than adequate.
  • atlantabennyatlantabenny Member Posts: 735
    Driving style is a factor. Both of you probably have similar styles. My end, occasionally I point-and-squirt and make quick passing decisions. In these settings, the 4 is laggardly versus the 6, and downright dangerous if someone behind is speeding in the target lane. When driving smoothly, the 4 is ok. When not, the 6 works best.
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    My EX-L 4 cyl. AT sedan has enough power in my opinion. Its 0-60 mph time is 9.0 seconds according to "Consumer Reports" which is fast enough for me and probably for most other people. There seems to be plenty of passing power, too.

    Rather than get a faster car, I prefer to drive more conservatively and save gas along with my life. I believe that if I or anyone else drove a current model 4 cyl. Accord for very long at its maximum capacity it would be dangerous.........Richard
  • lmacmillmacmil Member Posts: 1,758
    You had indicated your main motivation was improved gas mileage which wouldn't justify this trade on a dollars and cents basis. From your last post, we can see that there's more to it than that and it sounds like the Accord is a better vehicle for you than the Highlander. Good luck.
  • smosh91smosh91 Member Posts: 3
    We're looking at an Accord (and a Subaru Legacy wagon) to replace a Saab hatchback. Do we buy a 'leftover' '04 or wait until an '05? How much less is an '04 now? What new content will be in the '05s? I've heard lit steering wheel controls (nice, but not a deal breaker), single-zone ACC (why downgrade from dual-zone?) and new tail lights. I like the current ones. We plan on keeping the car 3-5 years. Maybe more.

    Thoughts?

    smosh.
  • chucko3chucko3 Member Posts: 793
    Driving in the city with A/C on 80% of the time, you will see the needle on the fuel gauge dropping fast.
    If it makes you feel better, try not to use the A/C and see if gas mileage improves.
  • 03accordman03accordman Member Posts: 671
    Of course the 6 will have better passing power than the 4, but I drive a 2003LX auto with 39k miles, and have never once felt a lack of passing power.

    The hesistation that some posters talk about is due to the drive by wire throttle. The Accord's 5 speed has been lauded by most for inproving acceleration times, in fact, CD tested both the Accord and the more powerful Altima and posted 8.5s to 60, and credited the 5 speed in the Accord for this.
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    not sure the 2005's have LIT steering wheel controls. will have to see it in Honda literature to believe it.

    also, i think the 4 cylinder would have been just fine for me, had i not tested the V6 first. the 4 didn't feel "slow", but it sure made the 4 cylinder sounds that make it seem like it works harder to get to highway speeds compared to the V6 that gets to high speeds effortlessly, in my opinion.
  • smosh91smosh91 Member Posts: 3
    We're looking at an Accord (and a Subaru Legacy wagon) to replace a Saab hatchback. Do we buy a 'leftover' '04 or wait until an '05? How much less is an '04 now? What new content will be in the '05s? I've heard lit steering wheel controls (nice, but not a deal breaker), single-zone ACC (why downgrade from dual-zone?) and new tail lights. I like the current ones. We plan on keeping the car 3-5 years. Maybe more.

    Thoughts?

    smosh.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    According to www.hondacars.com the Accord LX and up now have illuminated steering wheel controls. Interestingly enough though dual-zone climate control was only listed as a feature on the EX-V6. The site for the 05 Accord does not allow you to compare to other cars yet so maybe the information is just incomplete. Or maybe they did delete the dual-zone to allow more $$$ for the lighted steering wheel controls and the addition of side and side curtain airbags to all Accords.

    atlantabenny: We live in the Atlanta area and we are the car in the left lane going at least 80 MPH, often more if the flow of traffic allows. Still haven't had a problem with acceleration.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Member Posts: 3,469
    For instant throttle response I would take the manual transmission 4-cylinder over the automatic V-6 any day. No tranny delay or confusiion with a manual.
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    Unless you can save more than $1,500, buy an '05. If you keep the car for many years, depreciation won't matter as much as the car's condition when you trade or sell it. For long-term ownership, you will probably save money.

    But if you trade before the car is more than 5 or 6 years old at which time the car is assumed to be in good condition, the model year will still be important.

    Remember that you're buying a one year old car if you buy an '04 now. And if you plan to buy less than the top of the line '04 (EX-L or EX V6) you won't get the standard side curtain airbags that you'll have on ANY '05 Accord you buy.

    Personally, I think it's crazy to buy any new car without side curtain airbags which are known to be very protective.....Richard
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    Honda's own website isn't talking about lit wheel controls for the changes on the 05 Accord. maybe they are lit, but they don't want to brag about it? who knows....
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    In the full specifications, it shows that dual-zone is standard on the EX V6 and the EX 4 with leather. I thought that's how it's been since 2003, but I'm not positive.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    I have to chuckle a bit as to how many photos of the "2005 Accord" on Honda's site are rather obviously photoshopped photos of previous model years.
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    willcwong:

    You should have your brakes checked. If one or more of your four brakes (plus your emergency brake) is not releasing when your foot is off the pedal, it is like driving with your foot perpetually on the brake. That's not too great for gas mileage.

    Similarly, you should have your engine oil and transmission fluid levels checked. Low fluid could cause poor gas mileage.

    Check your tire pressure. Lower than specified pressure can cause poor gas mileage.
  • lmacmillmacmil Member Posts: 1,758
    That spoiler makes the back end look decent. You should convert those to jpeg for the folks that don't have a broadband connection.
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  • pacinpelopacinpelo Member Posts: 142
    In the market and looking at the Accord. The 05 rear now looks almost like the rear of a Buick (Say Regal GS type lights). Thinking I like the 04 better.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Member Posts: 1,467
    The new Accord has really grown on me as of late...

    I don't like the front spoiler though.

    For certain, the Accord will stand the test of time style wise
  • per2per2 Member Posts: 9
    I have a 2004 Accord LX. Recently I found that the windows can be opened by itself.

    The first time happened at noon, after I had lunch at a restaurant, I found all the four windows were half open, at the exact same height. At that time I suspected that somebody tried to break in. Then, in the evening of the same day, I found that all the windows were opened again. This time, all were opened by about one inch. Very weird.

    Anybody met the same problem?
  • jumpnjoejumpnjoe Member Posts: 34
    I have to agree Max on the rims and the taillights. Too bad the Altima didn't meet your expectations. I know how long you spent decidning. My decision was between the Accord and Altima too and price actually made the decision easy for me, but I easily could have ended up with the Altima too.
  • jumpnjoejumpnjoe Member Posts: 34
    I love my 04 and think you'd be happy with it. From Honda's site, it didn't look like the steering wheel controls were lit although I had heard that was coming too. The dual zone makes a difference as I never seem to be on the same page as the other people in my car on what temp they want. I couldn't see many differences aside from the two main cosmetic ones of rims and taillights, neither of which impressed me. I'd save the money and get the 04
  • jumpnjoejumpnjoe Member Posts: 34
    Not to be a complete idiot, but what is a "front" spoiler? I know the deck lid and regular spoiler, but never heard of this one. Please educate me.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    This is a feature of the keyless remote entry. You know when you press the unlock button twice in succession to unlock all four doors? If you hold the button down on the second press rather than releasing it, all four windows will open. They'll open for as long as you hold the button, but you can stop them midstream by releasing it.

    The idea is to make it easy and fast to lower all of the windows to exhaust the hot interior air when parked on a very hot day.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    The front spoiler goes underneath the fog lights. If you look at the pictures above you will see the spoiler.
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    looks good. not crazy about the ground effects and fogs (kind of perpetuating the Honda stereotype aren't you?! - just kidding!), but the spoiler looks well done. nice color too!

    did you have to get gray leather, or did you stick with cloth?

    glad you got in before the rear lights went Americana (all red) on us, haha.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Member Posts: 1,467
    It just isn't what a lot of people make it out to be.

    I LOVE the styling and think it looks better than the Accord or Camry, but the little things are HUGE negatives to me. Like how my carpet is coming up from the floorboard when I vacuunm the seats and carpet.

    Also, the armrest no longer is adjustable for 05, and the glove box is misaligned.

    Plus, I have the HORRIBLE radio reception.

    So next time when I am in the market, which is probably about 4 or 5 years, I am going to get an Accord more than likely because that IS the best car currently on the market.

    Also, I am THROUGH buying new cars...I am going to buy them used from now on out.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    We went with leather. Had to have XM after having it in our previous 04 Ex-L auto. My husband also needs the extra adjustments allowed by the 8 way power seat. The other goodies (DZ climate, heated seats) are a nice bonus.

    I think the fog lights give the Accord a nice headlight "signature" at night. Hubby wanted the spoiler ... he thinks it makes it look lower and I must admit it's nice to have something that most other Accords do not have. The Accord will never be rare among cars but at least my Accord can be rare among Accords.

    We love the red. We went with the intention of buying a graphite but when he got there it was being sold. There was a silver one at another dealer but been there, done that. So we bought the red one. We are normally not big fans of the rear wing type spoiler (my silver one had the decklid spoiler) but we agreed that the wing looks pretty nice in combination with the red.
  • jumpnjoejumpnjoe Member Posts: 34
    Thanks, that makes sense. I was more than a little confused last night.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    Sorry your Altima isn't living up to your expectations. I remember how excited you were when you bought it. We considered looking at the Altima before we bought this latest Accord but we hate the satellite radio antenna Nissan uses.
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