Older Honda Accords

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  • lmacmillmacmil Member Posts: 1,758
    I have been very happy with Yokohama Avid Tourings on my Olds Intrigue. A good compromise between quiet highway ride and traction. I think they have been superseded by one of the other Avids mentioned.
  • atlantabennyatlantabenny Member Posts: 735
    Well-reasoned arguments, I say. Great post that makes one look at tire components before buying. "Flat-spotting" was a problem I had with Mastercraft tires on a previous car, and that was from just overnight parking. Maybe it had more nylon content than most, per your comment.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Member Posts: 1,289
    I think the flat-spotting issue is very minute at best. My Accord V6 came with MXV4 V-rated as OEM and now I have Bridgestone EL41 tires(also OEM from 2003 Accord), V-rated. I have left my car in the garage where it was unmoved for 3-4 weeks on 3 occassions, Once with the MXV4s and twice with the EL41's and no flat spotting issues. The Accord is relatively light so I don't think you're going to encounter much of this.

    My uncle has a 00 LS400 which came with Dunlop SP Sport 4000s as OEM. his car sits numerous times in his garage for as long as 2 months and that car with it's 4,000 lb. weight hasn't had flat spotting. I'm sure flat spotting occurs, but it's rare and probably more dependant on the weight of the car.
  • jrock65jrock65 Member Posts: 1,371
    "have em check the back shelf area. when my '03 was new there was a problem with a dampener in that general vicinity. sounded almost like the exhaust was banging on something... "

    Can you elaborate on this? What do you mean by a dampener?

    Yeah, it does sound almost like the exhaust banging on something.

    Thanks for your help.

    blane,

    I did check the tire and jack. It seemed properly fastened. Will check again.
  • peterpanpeterpan Member Posts: 120
    I had much better experiences with Michelin MXV Energy tires than Bridgestone Potanza.

    The MXV leaks air at much slower rate, if at all, wears evenly, runs smoothly and quietly and lasts me about 85K miles.

    The Potanzas had a lot of problems (opposites of MXV) and had to be replaced at about 25K.

    I bought and used many tire brands, Dunlop, Bridgestone, Firestone, Goodyear, Nitto, Riken, Michelin...Michelin is the only brand that gave me the least problems, and the longest life, with minimum care.
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    You have a short memory! I will give you a hint. FORD SUV tire problems. "Death on the highway"!
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Member Posts: 1,289
    From a previous post:

    <<<<Out of all those tires Bridgestone has, the tire that was on the Ford Explorer's was the only one that was a bad design. It's kinda ridiculous to write-off every Bridgestone/FIrestone tire because of that. >>>>

    Huh....DIdn't I point out the Ford Explorer??

    Big deal. One tire out of how many?
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Member Posts: 1,289
    Can't use one person's experience and generalize.

    My MXV4s(205/60VR-16) lasted 45K miles. WHich I consider to be pretty good mileage. At current rate, I see my stinky Turanza EL41's lasting about the same.
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    If I have a choice to purchase a tire that has a positive track record for safety and durability, or one that has been involved in many failures, I will pick the one with the positive track record. Why take a chance? You only have ONE life! Do you think the tire manufacturer really cares about you and your family? We are all expendable.
  • jrock65jrock65 Member Posts: 1,371
    Damn, another recall. First the oil spray jet crap, now this airbag thing.
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    Its only one man's opinion, but the Pirelli P400 Touring (P205/65 R15) that are on our Camry have been exceptional- smooth ride, impressive grip, fairly quiet.

    ~alpha
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Member Posts: 1,289
    Okay. Bridgestone's suck. Buy only Michelin.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Well, kudos to Honda for discovering the problem on their own and jumping right on it!

    Not the end of the world.
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    Agreed. Do you have any specifics about the airbag recall--specifically what will be done to the car?.......Richard
  • jrock65jrock65 Member Posts: 1,371
    No it ain't the end of the world, but it sucks and is annoying when a 6 month old car has already undergone 2 recalls.
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    From the NHTSA website:

    Summary:
    ON CERTAIN SEDANS, A TEAR IN THE FABRIC OF THE DRIVER'S FRONT AIR BAG OCCURRED AFTER APPARENT CONTACT WITH THE INSIDE SURFACE OF THE AIR BAG COVER DURING DEPLOYMENT.
    Consequence:
    A TORN AIR BAG MAY NOT OFFER THE SAME LEVEL OF PROTECTION, IN THE EVENT OF A CRASH, THEREBY INCREASING THE RISK OF INJURY TO THE DRIVER.
    Remedy:
    DEALERS WILL INSTALL A PROTECTIVE FABRIC FLAP BETWEEN THE AIR BAG MODULE COVER AND THE INNER MODULE. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN ON DECEMBER 6, 2004. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT HONDA AT 1-800-999-1009.
    ...................Richard
  • austinman7austinman7 Member Posts: 313
    Kudos to Honda for discovering the airbag problem on its own? I don't believe that's accurate.

    An August 4 news item posted at ConsumerAffairs.com headlined "Feds probe Honda airbag failure" says:

    "Honda is facing a federal safety investigation after the driver's airbag failed during two crash tests. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration began the inquiry last week after airbags failed during unrelated tests. The agency was testing the damage caused when light trucks crashed into cars from the side. During the side impact test, the Accord airbag failed.

    "Investigators said the bag had a large tear in its fabric and did not fully inflate. NHTSA has opened an inquiry, which is the first step in the process that can lead to a full-scale recall."

    Now -- three months later -- the current recall would appear to have resulted from that NHTSA test sequence back in August. I wouldn't characterize that as Honda finding the problem on its own.

    Maybe I'm missing some information from this scenario. If so, please fill me in.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,700
    experiencing problems with various lines more typical of the average auto manufacturing company. The excuses are typically that this is an exception, it's not really the car, it's you, it's...

    Example: litesp2000 "Honda Accord Owners: Problems & Solutions" Nov 24, 2004 4:22am

    Even JD Powers results having indicated levels more typical rather than high for the Honda line.

    Sadly, when these things happen to owners of those other companies in a car they purchase, people tell them how awful those companies are and ask why did you buy another one... here we're experiencing spin control.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • ktnrktnr Member Posts: 255
    I&#146;ve read many reviews and user commentaries about the more-than-adequate power of the 4-cylinder 7th gen Accord. This was a concern for me since I came from a &#146;98 Diamante with a 3.5 liter V-6 (210bhp/230ft.lbs torque).

    In back to back test drives of the 4-cylinder and V-6 Accords, I found that the 4-cylinder Accord did indeed have enough power. In particular, I didn&#146;t find that the V6 had enough extra torque to justify the $3,300 premium in price.

    Having now had the opportunity to drive the 4-cylinder on my daily commute, I think it was an oversight on my part to only pay attention to the engine&#146;s comparative power. The 4-cylinder Accord has a noticeable low-frequency vibration, or shake, just above idle which is characteristic of 4-cylinder engines. I didn&#146;t notice that during my brief test drives. It&#146;s often cited how smooth this engine is and I find that&#146;s true &#150; above 2,000rpm. At low rpm, especially under load, this engine is clearly not as smooth or as quiet as the V-6. That said, I&#146;d still probably choose the 4-cylinder again but with less expectation that it wouldn&#146;t &#147;feel&#148; like a 4-cylinder engine because it does.

    If turbine-like smoothness at ALL rpm's is a priority, and cost is less of any issue, then I&#146;d be inclined to recommend the V-6 to others. This is especially true given the V-6&#146;s small penalty in fuel-efficiency compared to the inline-4. Just my opinion.
  • ctyankeectyankee Member Posts: 8
    I don't like to speak in absolutes, but it will be a long time before I buy any Bridgestone/Firestone product. They knew about the safety problems with their tires and continued to market them, resulting in unnecessary deaths. They chose the bottom line over safety and that's unconscionable.
  • tcvb22tcvb22 Member Posts: 50
    Is this recall for the 2005 Accord Sedan EX as well?
  • edscissors172edscissors172 Member Posts: 15
    What do you mean by masking-tape the falps? Please explain where. Also I heard that the best way to get the spray to stay on without chipping is to sand the flaps down a little and then prime and apply another coat.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    That's different than what I heard. I heard it was a product update and not a recall. It's an easy fix. A shield gets installed over the airbag itself.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Spin control? Well, you can call it what you will. I for one, am convinced Honda values it's reputation and does not want it's ratinga to slip.

    It just seems that what is accepted as "normal" in other makes bacomes a crisis if it's a Honda.

    I guess that's to be expected.
  • atlantabennyatlantabenny Member Posts: 735
    To achieve continuity of the car's bottom edge, paint the mudflaps up to the point where the paint stops with the body. In effect, the lower parts of the flaps are left unpainted. Masking tape is used to cover the non-painted area while painting.
  • austinman7austinman7 Member Posts: 313
    Your response in post #16221 to my comments sounds disingenuous.

    You "heard" the airbag problem was a product update and not a recall?

    If you follow this thread, which you appear to do, how could you have overlooked post #16197 just two days ago, in which sapparo has kindly given us the Reuters news service item about Honda recalling Accords for the airbag problem? Is there any ambiguity in the news story? I see "recall" twice, and no "product updates." If you don't follow this thread very closely, then I suppose it makes sense that you were just "hearing" about it, but the factual news has been out there for all to see for several days now.

    It just doesn't add up -- you work at a dealership and follow this thread, but were apparently very misinformed about the airbag recall. Odd.
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    The more cylinders an engine has, the more power strokes there are to smooth out any roughness. All piston engines are "putt-putts" until you add more cylinders.

    The V6 Accord is smoother than the 4, but so what? Except at low idle, any vibration is minimal and the Accord's 4 is VERY smooth--and quick, too.

    I bought the '04 EX-L 4 without test driving the V6 because the 4 was fast enough for me.

    After driving a V6 a few weeks ago, I have no regrets at all.....Richard
  • venus537venus537 Member Posts: 1,443
    perhaps it's a mistake to from a v6 to i4 if you're accustomed to the smoothness and power of a v6.

    as good as the accord's i4 is i don't think i could ever give up the accord's all around wonderful v6. it's a pleasure to drive day in and day out.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Well, I don't "follow" this tread. I pop in from to time and skim through the posts. I guess I should read every post thoroughly before postin myself. In any case the recall/product update or whatever we want to call it is a quick and easy fix. In most cases the airbags wouldn't have ripped anyway but the modification will make sure they won't.
  • austinman7austinman7 Member Posts: 313
    Interesting discussion you posted about the 4 vs. 6 cyl. I had been driving a 6 cyl. for years (a very smooth Regal 3800) before I bought my LX 4 cyl. a year ago.

    I also notice a difference at low rpms, but mainly at idle when the AC is on, sitting at a light, when you get a little vibration that I didn't get with a 6. I really don't notice anything when accelerating.

    I think I especially notice the power difference in the mid-range -- moving from 45 mph to 75, say. However, the 4 gets the job done, just with more effort. I do drive a lot by myself, so a loaded (4 passengers) 4 cyl. Accord with the AC on might be a different story. With just one passenger with me, I haven't noticed any real difference.

    I will say it's by far the best combination of a 4 cyl. with an automatic I've ever driven. And part of my decision process was somewhat subjective, having to do with the Accord's heritage, which was only a 4 cyl. car for so long, years after the Camry went to a 6. It just seems the 4 is what Accords are all about.

    Having said all that, when I trade, it's likely to be for a 6, possibly the next generation Accord. I do like the smoothness and power surge you get with a 6, but have no serious second thoughts about getting the 4. I continue to marvel at how it cruises so easily at 70 or 80 mph, with a fair amount of cabin quietness. Plus I got 34 mpg on a recent trip that involved some fairly hilly interstates. Can't beat that.
  • lawdawgfllawdawgfl Member Posts: 75
    Can an Accord V-6 6 speed tow a motorcycle on a trailer? If so what kind of hitch? I realize this is not a towing vehicle, however can it be done? If it can tow, what is the max weight? Thank you for any help.
  • lejofolejofo Member Posts: 4
    I'm looking at buying an 05 accord EX. I'm wondering if the 05s that are currently on the lot have the recalls. Maybe I should wait another month... Anyone knows when the fix was done at the factory level?

    Thanks.
  • ken972ken972 Member Posts: 162
    Im not sure if they took care of the issue on the 05's. But really it seems like a minor issue and an easy fix. I dont think it would deter me or slow me down from the purchase. Id go for it when the price is right. I have a 04EXV6.
  • ktnrktnr Member Posts: 255
    Regards waiting another month: American Honda Financial Services is offering 1.9% APR financing for up to 60 months on Accords purchased by January 5th. This rate requires a credit score of 720 or higher (buyers scoring 670-720 qualify for 2.9% financing).

    Given the minor nature of this recall (requires that a protective flap be installed under the driver's airbag cover), I can't see waiting and then trying to find the car you want that also has a date of manufacture recent enough to avoid the recall.
  • venus537venus537 Member Posts: 1,443
    you would think the dealer would just simply do the "recall" before it was sold to you if required.
  • ktnrktnr Member Posts: 255
    Just today, I noticed on autos.canada.com that Honda carries a 5 year/60,000 mile powertrain warranty in Canada. I verified that information at www.Honda.ca. Hmmm. I wonder why we get a mere 3/36 warranty here in the USA on the same cars?
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    No dealer will sell an in stock car that hasn't had the airbag fix done. It takes about 15 minutes to do the job.
  • lejofolejofo Member Posts: 4
    I just called a dealer and they said that the accords on the lot won't be affected. I guess they already took care of the problem.

    My next question is: Could I buy the extended warranty after the purchase, say in a year from now, or do I have to buy it with the new car?

    Thanks.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    Unless something has changed recently, you can buy the factory extended warranty any time before the regular warranty expires - in other words, any time prior to 36/36k. And shop for it - dealers will "deal" on the warranty the same way they do on the car.
  • tribblestribbles Member Posts: 56
    I saw a white Nissan today with color matching Mud Guards. Just didn't look right to me. Looks are purely subjective. I like my grey 05 EX-L with the black mud guards.
  • clovisguyclovisguy Member Posts: 49
    You can purchase the Honda Care Warranty if your car has less then 42K or is less then 42 months old. Here is the link to purchase it for a discount. You can print out a price sheet to take with you to the dealer to compare if you want.http://www.curryhondacare.com/index.cfm
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    It is your vehicle, and you can put any brand tire on it that makes you happy, and that you trust with your life. I do not trust a Bridgestone / Firestone product. Too many people suffered tire failures on Ford Explorers in the past. On my wife's 2004 Honda Civic, I had them remove these tires, and replace them with Michelin tires prior to delivery. I made it a condition of the deal.
  • lmacmillmacmil Member Posts: 1,758
    This is one of those debates for which there is no right or wrong answer. For many, if not most, the 4 provides adequate power in almost all driving situations. For others, nothing beats the extra acceleration and passing power that the 6 provides and it's worth every penny. It all gets down to the right choice for you.
  • ktnrktnr Member Posts: 255
    I agree but I'd encourage potential buyers to pay close attention to more than just whether or not the 4-cylinder has sufficient overall power when test driving it against the V-6.

    During my test drive of both Accords, I found that the 4-cylinder Accord DID have enough overall power and was actually as fast as the 3.5 liter V-6 I was coming from (mainly due to the excellent 5-speed automatic in the Accord). However, now that I've driven the car for a few weeks, some deficiencies with the 4-cylinder have become apparent.

    In particular, having the air-conditioning on takes a large toll on idle smoothness as well as my car's ability to hold a gear on an uphill grade without needing a downshift. I expect that V-6 owners are far less likely to notice whether the A/C is on or off.

    I'd be curious to hear from anyone who knows whether the V-6's air-conditioning has any greater cooling capacity (larger compressor?). If there were a difference, that alone would be enough to sway many buyers in hot climates.

    As a side-note; in the case of the 1999-2003 Mitsubishi Galant, a team of their engineers disclosed in conversation that the A/C compressor was designed around the 4-cylinder and that the 3.0L V-6 version used the same part. At least it did in 1999 when Mitsubishi received a lot of complaints about inadequate interior cooling. I don't mean this to suggest that there is a similar issue with the 7th gen Accord - I'm sure we'd have heard about it on these boards if there were.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Member Posts: 1,289
    Gimme a break!!! lol.
  • mike_emike_e Member Posts: 9
    I just called Honda concerning the air-bag recall at 1 800 999-1009. The guy I spoke to said that the recall will not affect the V6 models. According to him, only a certain number of the 2004 and 2005 V4s will be affected. Has anyone received similar information. Is this authentic?

    Thanks.
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    "OK"!
  • jrock65jrock65 Member Posts: 1,371
    My service person that I just spoke to said the same thing. He said that the V6 models are not affected. Only I-4 models.

    Not sure why the size of the engine affects the airbag, but since 2 separate sources have said the same thing, I'd say it's legit.
  • mike_emike_e Member Posts: 9
    I just called Honda concerning the air-bag recall at 1 800 999-1009. The guy I spoke to said that the recall will not affect the V6 models. According to him, only a certain number of the 2004 and 2005 V4s will be affected. Has anyone received similar information. Is this authentic?

    Thanks.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,700
    "2004 Honda Civic, I had them remove these tires, and replace them with Michelin tires prior to delivery"

    I agree. Some of the model car I bought had earlier had Firestones, but later all were shipping with Michelins. If the car would have had Firestones, I would have requested a change.
    Already had discussed it with the salesman.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

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