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Traction control just prevents the wheels from spinning on acceleration and is useful when driving a powerful car on a slippery surface.
Traction control isn't needed so much on moderately powered cars, so the Accord V6 has it, but the 4 doesn't (but don't get the idea that the Accord 4 cylinder is slow because it's quite powerful--just not so powerful that it needs traction control).
ESC is very different and is a safety feature for any car--and especially for SUVs that are more likely to roll over............Richard
Louise"
Thanks...I'm really considering buying one in August when my lease is up. I'd like to see the 2006 Accord first, but I may be a victim of timing if the 2006 doesn't hit the showroom until September. I only have 1 vehicle, so my hand is forced to buy in August.
If the dealer where you have your current lease wants to remain in your good graces, they may be able to allow you to go on a month-to-month extension of your old lease. It's cash flow for them and the leasing company. It can't hurt to ask.
It's a feature Honda should have on all models, but doesn't.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
In a lot of the US, traction control would be of little use.
But I agree, it works pretty well.
Can you explain that. I can think of a couple of times when my wheels slipped on a snow-covered road (some snow was plowed, but not all of the road) when starting at a traffic light. I had a 4-cylinder vehicle. Most states in this country get snow.
Maybe in 5 years when traction control and VSA are standard on all Hondas, we'll put this argument to rest.
I can understand it not being on the cheapest basic model for price comparisons. But like automatic headlights and power door locks that are tied to vehicle speed or gear selection, they should be on cars today.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I purchased a V6 LX in February and I am very happy with it. Like you, I find the V6 LX a good value for those that want the driving experience that the EX V6 provides, but do not like leather seating or a moonroof. I am 5' 11", but I also enjoy the extra headroom. For me, the seats are very comfortable. The material is similar to velour and you can't slide around as much as with leather, so keep that in mind for getting into and out of the car.
As for looks, my car is red and I was originally going to replace the standard black side sills with red, but now I like the looks. Sets it apart from all the EX's. The wheel covers could have better designed, but I am getting use to them. When it comes time for new tires I may get alloys.
The MPG is not that much lower than the I4 and I'm getting around 26 in combined driving. But I do like the power. No effort at all when merging into traffic, and no noticeable engine noise.
From what I read, they are rare because more people prefer all the bells and whistles in this price range. But for power and handling, the LX V6 and the EX V6 are exactly the same car.
Good luck with your purchase, but if you read the Prices Paid & Buying Experience board you will notice that buying an Accord lately is like buying a computer - the longer you wait, the cheaper they get.
Don't those statements contradict each other?
Anyway, consider your self lucky. Tires are much easier to replace than the rock-hard seats that bother some people.
"Honda will lose repeat customers over their choice of these tires." Maybe you are right. Honda has been using these type of tires for years. That might be why no one buys Hondas any more.
I am not the only person who feels this way. Go to tirerack.com and read the reviews of many recent honda accord owners who feel much the same as I do. And you can filter out the results just for Honda Accord owner's comments. If Accords are selling so well lately why all the ever increasing factory to dealer incentives.
Hermann
There was no such thing as traction control in any car at the time I lived there, but solved the problem by moving to San Francisco
I understand that you are unimpressed with Hermann's Michelin tires. However your post #17292 comment "Honda has been using these type of tires for years. That might be why no one buys Hondas any more." intrigues me.
Yogi Berra, of the New York Yankees, was famous for his malapropisms. One of his more famous comments was "That restaurant has gotten so crowded that nobody goes there any more."
Yogi was also quoted as saying:
"It's deja vu all over again"
"Why buy good luggage? You only use it when you travel."
"When you get to a fork in the road - take it."
"You can observe a lot just by watching."
"He must have made that before he died." - Referring to a Steve McQueen movie.
"I knew I was going to take the wrong train, so I left early."
"Baseball is 90% mental - the other half is physical."
"It was impossible to get a conversation going; everybody was talking too much."
"90% of the putts that are short don't go in."
Etc, etc, etc. You get the idea.
I only buy Michelin replacement tires for our cars. The MXV4 is the best all-around choice for a touring car available right now, and assertions that they have no traction in either the dry or wet is contradicted by independent tests. And, their tires tend to be mostly round and straight, much more often than the competition. As noted, if you disagree, this is an easy problem to solve. I just wish Toyota were offering these "inferior" tires on more of their cars - with a Camry, you roll the dice based on what's on the dealer's lots....at any given time, there will be cars with Contis, Bridgestones, Goodyears, and Michelins...none of which are going to satisfy everyone.
Personally, I dislike the MXV series from Michelin. I replaced the ones on my 98 Accord when they had 36K on them.
Why do so many manufacturers use them as OEM? Price and name brand. The OEM chooses a tire based on cost and performance features. Also it is a selling point. Michelin has created a premium image for itself. Car makers hope it rubs off on them.
I must say that I'm very disappointed with this stereo system. Sounds muddy, too much bass. Accord should at least have an option for a better system, for those interested, as I would guess that the majority of buyers don't care too much either way. But I do, and there isn't much I can do about it, given the integrated HVAC controls, etc.
And not to sound like some other posters here, I don't like the seats, either - they're horrible! But I'm not going to whine and complain about it - I'll be buying an Acura RDX next year, and I'll just suck up the $$$ loss.
The technology today allows really tight, solid bass, even in a car.
I didn't say that no one would buy an Accord again, just that it will cost them some sales.Maybe a percent or so. If LX 4-cyl I bought turns out to be a good one and gives good dependable service and the dealer gives good service I will probally be back in a Honda product...But I will soon be going to my Firestone store for some Bridgestone Turanza's LS-H or V's with a 30-day test ride and see if improvements can be had
Hermann
Some people don't like paying for things they don't need or don't think they need.
Same with the auto headlights. If I want them on, it takes me a half-second to do that.
Much better than the Conti's that I bought for my Civic when i upgraded wheel size.
But I understand your viewpoint.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Doors that lock by themselves are irrating to me since I don't want them locked.
Heck, my keyless remotes are in a drawer because I don't like the extra bulk when my keys are in my pocket. I'm more than capable of unlocking my doors ESPECIALLY when I have to have the key in my hand anyway to start the car.
I understand your point as well. I only meant to point out that what some people think is a "must have" isn't important at all to others.
Must be hard working in Marketing for Honda trying to please the masses while keeping prices under control!
On the auto lights, I believe the Accord's headlights turn off after a few minutes even if left on? That's one thing about the auto light's I've liked -- no dead battery in the garage. (Yes, I left the lights on in my own garage without realizing it a few times long ago.)
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
This is a follow-up to my original question (page 857 & 858) and to tanya2 and mrbill1957 who had some good suggestions. I could not find any vacuum or intake leaks or a problem with the PVC & EGR valves. After using all the suggestions and running out of things to try, I took my 85 Accord to a shop. The only thing that was found was the carb. idle screw had backed way out. It now runs good. Strange to say the least. Thanks for all the help!!
Steve
I loved my 94 Accord LX; anyone have a suggestion as to which model (say 2000-2004) handles the turns and drives as well as the 94 LX? I'd like to buy an Accord that might be 2-4 years old with low mileage.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I own a 1985 Honda Accord 1.8L Carb. automatic with 110,000 miles.
While driving in the city, one moment it started running horrible and I barely made it home. A few weeks before it had a complete tune-up (plugs, wires, cap and rotor, timing, all filters, compression test 110-130, valve adjustment etc) and passed CA smog the first try. The car runs normal when cold, but when the choke opens and the engine idles down, it runs on two cylinders. When cold and idling I can pull the plug wires off at the dist. cap one at a time and each wire makes the engine rpm lower about the same. But when the choke opens it starts running horrible, I can pull the wires on cylinders 3 and 4 and it doesn't change the rpm at all. If I take either of 1 or 2 cyl. wires off the engine dies. In other words, when cold all cylinders are normal, but once it warms up and the choke opens and idles down, I can take the 3 & 4 plug wires off and it makes on change to the rpm. I've sprayed carb cleaner every where I thought an intake/carb leak might be and found >none. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
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>Hello again,
This is a follow-up to my original question (page 857 & 858) and to tanya2 and mrbill1957 who had some good suggestions. I could not find any vacuum or intake leaks or a problem with the PVC & EGR valves. After using all the suggestions and running out of things to try, I took my 85 Accord to a shop. The only thing that was found was the carb. idle screw had backed way out. It now runs good. Strange to say the least. Thanks for all the help!!
>Steve
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After doing more research I found that the mechanic unplugged the air temperature switch (which is just inside the fresh air in pipe that supplies air to the carb) and increased the engine idle to make it run right. I plugged the switch back in and instantly it dropped cylinders 3 and 4 just like before. I tried a new switch and it doesn't change a thing. Way would unplugging that switch make it run better?
Thanks, Steve
You know, I was this close to picking up a 2005 325. (BMW has a great head protection system.) I even put money down on it to hold it for the weekend until I had heard from the insurance co. But as I thought about the $500 plus a month payments in addition to what I already am paying on my 530, I decided against it. Another way to look at it however, is that in this particular crash, although the bags didn't deploy (could have been the "angle" so they say and maybe they are correct. I just didn't like the weak response with the offer of a booklet.) no one was permanently injured. Everyone walked away from it, so maybe the construction of the Accord frame is what saved people from the worst, airbags or no.
Should I get rid of it, fight Honda for some re-payment?
femi
It is kind of unusual for head gaskets to be a problem these days. Did the car overheat? That may have caused the head to warp.
Now, it's the end of the world when something like this happens, especially on a Honda. Hondas are supposted to be perfect and just last forever.
Things happen. Even on the best of cars. You "can" trust your car and there is no practical reason you should get rid of it. It's an oddball thing to have happen.
Someone did ask...did the car ever overheat? that's a good way to blow a head gasket.
Hopefully your faith will be restored.
http://home.earthlink.net/~michaelpkeefe/HowTo_Codes.htm
There is some handy info there and links to PDFs (adobe acrobat reader will open them) in the middle of the page toward the bottom.
A cursory glance shows TCU error code 8 to deal mainly with shift control solenoid B and is characterized by symptoms of "fails to shift-stuck in 1st or 4th"
Here is another site with some helpful info on general probs that seem to crop up with the 90-93s:
http://www.d-a-p.com/askus.htm
good luck people
1) I don't see that many car companies WOULD cover the cost of replacing airbags.
2) Even you admit that Honda USA did the right thing, since they went beyond the call of duty (or simply fulfilled their obligation for a faulty airbag deployment if you are a hardliner) by paying for the replacement.
Sounds like a pretty good argument to me why you would want to trust that company to honor any future obligations that crop up. With many companies, an extended warranty IS just money down the drain.....Honda actually delivered even against their own initial ruling.
Yeah, you can possibly claim it was a buy-off to keep you off their back or even possibly to maintain goodwill but either way, that sounds like a good place to trust your investment to. From what I've seen on this and other boards, generally Honda does what it can to help out, oftentimes well beyond what is expected of them but almost always moreso than the average car manufacturer.
You might consider taking your own advice on taking things personally.
First of all, no company that thinks something is not their fault is going to want to pony up $ for a replacement, let alone on something like an airbag. That was my main point.
Secondly, if Honda resolved this issue to your satisfaction then why wouldn't you trust them in the future (via the puchase of an extended warranty)?
That was all I asked, and I don't see what me living on the east coast and my name have to do with it but whatever.
later