Older Honda Accords

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  • crv16crv16 Member Posts: 205
    Defrosting (especially removal of condensation from the inside of windows when warm people enter a cold car) is more effective if the A/C is on.

    I realize that. However some times the condensation is on the outside of the car, and when that is the case, having AC on makes the situation worse.

    Another reason for having the A/C turn on automatically with the defroster is that the defroster is used often in the winter when A/C isn't need to cool the car. If the A/C isn't used for several months, the seals can dry out with loss of refrigerant and a costly repair to replace the seals.

    So, having the A/C turn on automatically with the defroster not only increases the defroster's effectiveness, but also keeps the A/C active during the winter months..........Richard


    I've owned 9 Hondas over the past 20 years, and never have run the AC during the winter, nor have ever had any problems with the AC.
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    crv16,

    It sure sounds like an effort to make a mountain out of a molehill. Why not just operate your vehicle the way the engineers designed it? It will work best that way and you will not have to concern yourself with minutiae.
  • mamamia2mamamia2 Member Posts: 707
    "However some times the condensation is on the outside of the car"

    well in that case you need to have a word with God.

    Or your local weather forcaster.

    But don't blame you Honda. Or any car, for that matter...
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Crv16 asked a question. I didn't see him trying to place any blame anywhere. If people don't have the answer, that's fine, but there's no reason to tell him he shouldn't want to do this, or to be sarcastic about his reasoning. If you can't or don't want to help, that's perfectly okay - but just move on.
  • crv16crv16 Member Posts: 205
    I FIGURED IT OUT
    The steps are a little different than the Civic:

    1) With vehicle on, push the airflow button for "top vent".
    2) Shut car off.
    3) Turn temp knob to the coldest setting
    4) Turn fan off
    5) How down both "Air Recirculation" button and "AC" button. With both buttons depressed, turn key to "ON" position. (don't need to actually start the car) Keep holding the buttons down for at least 7 seconds.
    6) The AC and Air Recirculation lights will light up and flash at different points during the 7 second hold-down.
    7) When the air recirculation light stops flashing, release the two buttons.

    Now you have full control over the AC. When you hit the Defog button, the AC light will now illuminate. You can now shut it off if you so desire and get Defog air without AC!
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Member Posts: 1,978
    Do you think this would work with the nAV with a slight variation:

    step1) go to manual AC set to "top vent"

    step 3) set to "lo"
    step 4) go to manual AC and set fan off

    Thanks,

    MidCow

    P.S.- I will try tonight and let you know :)
  • roberts5roberts5 Member Posts: 35
    I am glad to see that for just $250 more than the 2005, you now get Tracrtion Control and 5 year and 60,000 mile drivetrain warranty on the LX 4I with AT. Thank you Honda for not just building a reliable car, but now warranting the drivetrain like other up line manufactures. Many people I have talked with, have shared with me how much they appreciate the TC on wet or snowy driving conditions.
    Honda, Keep up the great improvements.
  • jeffbogjeffbog Member Posts: 63
    Or you could just set the temp a little warmer. That should keep the condensation from forming on the outside of the car. I've done it often. Hanging out here occasionally since thinking about getting the 06 for a commuter car. Major appearance improvements in my opinion.
  • crv16crv16 Member Posts: 205
    "However some times the condensation is on the outside of the car"

    ----------- So did you figure out how to fix that too?.......


    I don't understand why my desire not to use AC during Defrost is such a foreign concept.

    Think of this scenario:

    It's 10 degrees out, and your windshield is covered with ice. The first thing I want to do is turn on the car and activate front defrost. Why in the world do I need the AC on to help melt ice on the outside of the windshield? If the AC is on, it is hindering the ice melting process, since the heated air is being cooled by the AC condenser.
  • whitecloud1whitecloud1 Member Posts: 268
    I for one don't think it's a foreign concept and I don't think it's strange. I just think it's probably not necessary to concern with. The car knows it's cold out too if you have the EX V6. After your windshield is clear, you could redirect the air to the side vents and just set the temp. The windows (including windshield) will stay clear. I know that you don't want the moisture that can accumalate in the system (and the mold smell) that can come from not using your AC. In the cold months some systems will actually fall into disrepair from non-use.
  • jeffbogjeffbog Member Posts: 63
    Actually, below a certain outside temp, the compressor won't come on anyway, even if the indicator light states that it is on. The owner's manual should say (at least they do for GM and Ford) what the low limit for the compressor actually running is. At 10 degrees, I suspect there is no way your compressor will run. Just thought I would pass some additional info along.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    There is no heat in the engine to defrost to window either so the windows still won't get cleared until the engine warms up. There are VERY few logical reasons to want to turn the A/C off during defrost other just wanting the option to do so.
  • crv16crv16 Member Posts: 205
    Guys,

    At the risk of beating this issue to death....

    I have the accord LX, so no auto temp control. When you press AC and it's 5 degrees out, the compressor is going on.

    In the winter, it takes about 1-2 minutes of engine run time for the car to start blowing warmish air out the vents. With no AC on, the air temp coming out is, say 80 degrees. If AC is on, the temp is likely a lot less - let's say 50 degrees. Now yes, both 50 degree air and 80 degree air will both melt ice, but which one will do it faster?

    Also, in the winter, the relative humidity level is very low. There are two sources of *interior* condensation - melting snow from your shoes and humidity from your breath. In almost all cases, just straight use of hot air defrost (without AC) clears the windows. Occasionally, in winter, I do use AC to dehumidify. But that need is very infrequent.

    I don't want to use AC any more than I need to. It robs both performance and fuel economy.
  • rbevz67rbevz67 Member Posts: 69
    Hi All,

    I've had my Accord for a few weeks and there is some sort of factory tint on my car. Anyone have any info on this? How much light does it let through? Is it "in" the glass or is it a removeable film? This wasn't put on by the dealer.

    Would getting my windows tinted at a local shop somehow damage the factory tint should the aftermarket need to be removed in the future?

    Thanks!
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    The factory tint is in the glass itself - not applied to the glass.

    The tint shop should be able to measure how much light it blocks.

    The factory tint should not be affected by aftermarket tint should you need to remove the latter.
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    "I've owned 9 Hondas over the past 20 years, and never have run the AC during the winter, nor have ever had any problems with the AC."

    There's a first time for everything;-).......Richard
  • haefrhaefr Member Posts: 600
    "I don't understand why my desire not to use AC during Defrost is such a foreign concept."

    Pass it off to, "There are none so blind as those who will not see." While I appreciate the quick ellimination of moisture and frost on the interior glass surfaces when the A/C compressor is dehumidifying cabin air, your tip on how to more efficiently elliminate frozen condensation on the exterior glass is both practical and insightful. Let those who enjoy freezing their buns off outside with an ice scraper revel in the crisp chill of blinding, freezing sleet. Peace, bro. (Don't worry, some who read your tip on how to accomplish defrost sans A/C compressor use will quietly reprogram their Accords to try it out in a month or two. ;))
  • haefrhaefr Member Posts: 600
    "...there is some sort of factory tint on my car. Anyone have any info on this? How much light does it let through? Is it "in" the glass or is it a removeable film? This wasn't put on by the dealer."

    I don't know remember what the visible light transmission characteristics of factory tinting is, but the tint does block considerable UV and infrared. (It's been a long time since optometry school...) I suspect for night vision safety, factory tinted windows would be held to at least 85% transmission. The factory tint is in the glass in the form of a very fine metallic oxide powder added to the molten glass and mixed to an even overall tint before undergoing the float glass and molding process that forms the actual window shape and contour. In the case of the windshield, which is a glass-plastic film-glass laminant in U.S.-bound cars (and presumably, Canadian cars, too), the plastic film could be tinted with organic dyes, or one of the glass sections may be tinted as described above. In practice, it's the latter since metallic oxides cannot fade (they're already fully oxidized, so they can't chemically change once trapped in the matrix of the glass) The added darker band at the top of windshields is a seperate section of darker tinted glass fused to the main section of the tinted glass section during molding. The factory tinting from neither the window glass nor the windshield is seperately removable.

    "Would getting my windows tinted at a local shop somehow damage the factory tint should the aftermarket need to be removed in the future?"

    Nope.

    Now, just how certain are you that your dealer hadn't already applied a supplemental tint before you ever laid eyes on the car you bought?
  • rbevz67rbevz67 Member Posts: 69
    Now, just how certain are you that your dealer hadn't already applied a supplemental tint before you ever laid eyes on the car you bought?

    I am 100% positive...not sure if your question was rhetorical...
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Folks we are not going to argue about this anymore. Those who are not interested in this a/c on/off issue need to move on. Period.
  • 4runnering4runnering Member Posts: 10
    crv16,
    Thanks for the solution, It works great on my '04 ex. I've been looking on the forums and dealerships for this solution.
    I'll also help beat this subject to death. I live in the Seattle area where winter weather is cool and wet. In the 30 yrs. of Seattle area driving, running the defroster without AC has worked great except in some extreme conditions. But when AC is run with the defroster all the time, moisture builds up in the vent system (condensor) and each time the car is started this moisture covers the interior of the windshield. As a result, once AC is used very much in the winter, it pretty much is needed all the time. With this bypass hacked in place, the AC only gets used in a few extreme cases. Otherwise the car gets a couple more miles per gallon, which is fine by me current gas prices!
    thanks again!
  • joe122joe122 Member Posts: 68
    "but the tint does block considerable UV and infrared."

    I must take issue with this statement. While this might not be a problem for others living around the country, Florida is an extreme case. I do not believe that the factory tinted green glass is at all effective in blocking UV or infrared. So far, I have not had tint film applied to the windows of my new LX 4. After parking the car, the interior climbs to well over 100 degrees in a very short period. When driving around in the car at midday I get fried; a sure indication that the UV blocking power is very limited. Over the 30 years that I have lived in South Florida, all my cars except this one have had a 3M tint. It really was necessary and I intend to have this car done ASAP.
  • rbevz67rbevz67 Member Posts: 69
    Called Honda...

    Factory glass on my 05 EX-L blocks a bit over 40% of the UV and IR rays...and absorbs about 50% of the energy (heat).

    Sorry, didn't write the actual numbers but those are in the ball park!
  • mi_satmi_sat Member Posts: 42
    I would like my next vehicle to have some type of jack to allow me to use my Ipod without messing with the wiring for the car audio. Just a simple, plug in.

    The Ipod website says that Honda will have an Ipod connection "coming soon."

    Anyone know which Honda, if any, has an Ipod connection?
  • sammycastagnasammycastagna Member Posts: 28
    I have a 2000 Accord EX V6 and you can turn off the compressor in defrost. I have a 2001 GMC Safari cargo van and you can not turn it off. I would like to have the option to turn it off but no way. Glad you figured it out.

    Sammy Castagna
  • ttbttb Member Posts: 40
    Dear All:
    Does anyone know where I can find out the 0-60 mile of a 2004 4-cylinder Accord with automatic tranny?
    Thanks.
    TTB
  • haefrhaefr Member Posts: 600
    "Factory glass on my 05 EX-L blocks a bit over 40% of the UV and IR rays...and absorbs about 50% of the energy (heat)."

    Anyone who's noticed that their "Transitions" or "Photogray" spectacle lenses don't change very effectively in their car can vouch for your post. Both photochromic materials depend on UV to stimulate their darkening.

    (IR [infrared], by the way, is heat.)
  • auroraxoauroraxo Member Posts: 1
    My Honda Accord was orginally declared a total loss due to a bent and buckled frame (over $7,500 in damage)... Then the next day the insurance company calls and states that they have changed their minds and can fix the car. I was rear-ended on the highway by a driver going pretty fast... if that tells you anything. Can an Accord be repaired to its orginal condition once its suffered a blow as extensive as this?
  • mrbill1957mrbill1957 Member Posts: 823
    Without details of what was damaged, its really hard to comment on how it will turn out. To say that the frame is damaged happens to just about any unitized frame cars. It doesn't take much to bend the frame since it isn't a seperate part as you would find on most pickups. Just one of the drawbacks with unitized designs.

    Anyways, a good bodyshop with the right equipment can do wonders with a wrecked car. $7500 now a days is not that huge amount of a repair price, so I would guess that it should turn out fine.

    Cross your fingers, there is always a chance that when they start on the car, they find more damage to the point that they don't fix it.

    Good luck, I hope it turns out good for you.

    Mrbill
  • haefrhaefr Member Posts: 600
    "Then the next day the insurance company calls and states that they have changed their minds and can fix the car."

    I suspect mrbill1957 is probably correct, but I am troubled by that change of mind by your insurance company within 24 hours. Will you be restricted to your insurance comapny's choice of body shop? If so, I get the feeling they found a lowball shop that would be using sheet metal pieces stamped in Taiwan and lotsa Bondo to come in under the car's payoff estimate. If you have no choice in the matter (this may depend on your particular state's insurance laws) this may not be a car you want to keep much longer if it'll fetch a decent trade-in allowance. (Though it's hard to fool a car dealer's estimator - they know what to look for.) If you do have a choice in which body shop repairs your car, and you're not sure who's reputable, find out who your local police department uses for body work on their cruisers - odds are their choice is fairly reliable.
  • joe122joe122 Member Posts: 68
    That explains why I'm getting fried; 60% of UV is a huge amount coming in. It's also interesting to note that the dashboard can actually burn your hand, even after an opaque sunshade had been in place. This might not be a problem elsewhere, but it is most definitely a problem here.
  • vu2000vu2000 Member Posts: 58
    Hi:
    I just bought a used 2005 Accord EX automatic with just u>1 key and no owners manual. I love this car. This is my replacement vehicle for our 99 Accord LX V6 which we both love. I prefer to work on my own cars. Can anyone tell me how many quarts of oil this car takes when you do the oil change. Can anyone also tell me how to program the keyless entry remote(another used Accord remote) to this car, the dealer wantd $150 to cut and program a new key, so I thought I just buy a used key on Ebay and use the keyless entry in case I accidentally leave my key in the car. Thank you all.
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    Yes. Your Accord and my '04 EX-L 4 cyl. A/T are the same mechanically as the car "Consumer Reports" tested in its January, 2003 issue:

    0 to 60: 9.0 seconds
    45 to 65 mph: 5.5 seconds
    Quarter mile: 17.0 seconds

    That's very good for a 3,200 pound, 4 cylinder car. The above 0--60 time is probably conservative given that it's from C.R. and not an auto enthusiast's magazine.
    The Accord was also the top-rated car and was preferred over a number of lesser V6 powered cars. :D ..........Richard
  • deluxedeluxe Member Posts: 29
    Honda will have that coming soon, indeed. Here is what I came across. Was doing some comparing between Accord and Passat,lol.

    Apple has teamed up with four additional car manufacturers, among them Volkswagen, to provide customers with an iPod integration solution. At a press even in San Francisco, Steve Jobs announced that Acura, Honda, Audi and Volkswagen will join 15 other car manufacturers such as Ferrari, BMW, and Mercedes Benz with and Apple iPod integration solution.

    When installed, a wire connected from behind the dashboard running to either the glove compartment or a lockable center console where the iPod will remain hidden. Commands can be made through the radio controls or steering wheel buttons. The connection will also allow the iPod the charge.
  • mrbill1957mrbill1957 Member Posts: 823
    The V6 takes 4.5 quarts with a filter change.

    As far as programming they key yourself, I doubt that is possible unless you had the equipment to do it. You may want to check with local locksmiths to see if they can, but I think you will probably be stuck going to the dealer.

    If you do find an alternative to the dealer, post what you find here.

    Mrbill
  • plethysmoplethysmo Member Posts: 42
    Based on my past experience with a Prelude that was repaired after being rear ended:
    When your Accord is 'fixed' , find an area of water puddles in the road. Drive through the puddles as fast as practical several times. Then, check the carpeting on the floors and trunk. If they are damp, make them fix it better. If left in that condition, your car will smell like garbage after a few months.
  • jfergusjfergus Member Posts: 30
    There is an announcement about the iPod connection in the "news" section of Honda's site:

    http://automobiles.honda.com/info/news/article.asp?ArticleID=2005090754437&Category=curren- thonda

    Here is the second sentence: "This Genuine Honda accessory was developed to enable Honda drivers to utilize their iPod directly through the audio system in the all-new, redesigned, 2006 Honda Civic."

    The announcement only references compatibility with the new 2006 Civic. No mention made of the Accord or older Civic models. So to me, it is unclear if the adaptor will work with anything other than the '06 Civic. I suppose it depends on the radio & steering wheel controls.

    Of course, Honda may have just mentioned the new Civic just to tout its redesign. Maybe the adaptor will work on an Accord, but if this is your primary reason for buying an Accord, you better get clarification from Honda first, otherwise you could end up disappointed.
  • nomorev8nomorev8 Member Posts: 9
    It took me a while to figure out what this light was for. It isn't really bright enough to do anything. I understand the concept of 'ambient console lighting' but I don't think this light really does that.
  • mrbill1957mrbill1957 Member Posts: 823
    One of the reviews I read on the Acura TSX (Euro Accord) said that the ambient lighting in that car looked real good. Acura uses a blue LED instead of the amber one that Accord uses.

    I also remember a post stating that another fourn had info on how to change the Accord LED to the blue one that the TSX uses. I don't think that the color change would make much of a difference, but changing the LED ( and possibly the circuitry that drives it) to one with higher intensity would help.

    If anyone has tried this, can they reply with the info on how to make the change?

    Mrbill
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Member Posts: 1,978
    The purpose of the ambient lighting is to provide just enough light so that you can see buttons and features in your console area a night without destroying your night vision. This assumes you have the display off with NAV. I am not sure how bright the non-NAV display is but it works very well at night with the NAV display with display off=black.

    The procedure to change LED lights from yellow to blue was posted on the 7th genration Accord sight which now seems to be defunct. It was an extremely complicated procedure just to change the LED color.

    Cruis'n in 6th :shades: ,

    MidCow
  • lx_steallx_steal Member Posts: 45
    I made the recirc light flash then steady, but the ac still runs with defrost.
  • nomorev8nomorev8 Member Posts: 9
    I purchased my 2005 Accord, V-6, 'everything but Nav' in January 2005. It's my first 4-door, automatic, non-domestic car ever. My previous car was a 2001 Mustang V-8 Conv, and several V-8s before that. So...to say the least it is quite a change. Sure, significant drop in HP and Torque but I don't really miss it. Even though I like a lot of the new features in the '06 (manual 6, better sound) I still love my '05.

    I have a few questions regarding proper care of the leather. All my other cars had black leather and right now I have tan.

    I wear dress clothes to work every day and I've noticed that on the drivers seat, where the belt on my pants rubs against the seat, a dark 'patch' is starting to develop. I've tried using standard leather cleaners but so far no luck. Does anyone have any recommendations on this problem?

    Also, If I have to get seat covers, is there a brand/type that people have used that work/fit well?

    Thanks for your help. I love this forum and I love being an Accord owner!

    ;)
  • mrbill1957mrbill1957 Member Posts: 823
    I also have tan leather and also noticed the seat starting to show staining from what I'm guessing was from blue jeans. I was able to remove it with Meguires leather cleaner and conditioner. In my case, I applied the conditioner when I first got the car, so maybe it kept the stain from penetrating the leather. Hopefully that won't be the problem in your case.

    As far as seatcovers, whatever you buy, make sure they are compatible with the side airbag that is mounted in the seat. Obviously you don't want the covers affecting the aribag.

    Mrbill
  • mi_satmi_sat Member Posts: 42
    Thanks for the info. I hope they hurry. I need a car in a few months. :)
  • hermannhermann Member Posts: 38
    Thanks crv16,

    The hack worked great and on the first try. Now I will get the amount of dehumidification that I desire, not some engineer's. I will simply turn off the a/c when the fog clears and heated wintertime air will do the job 90-95% of the time..

    Some people just dont like REBELS ! ;)

    Hermann
  • hermannhermann Member Posts: 38
    You need to hold on to the 2 buttons until they quit flashing. I did the hack today and it worked great...Mine is a 05 LX

    Hermann
  • lx_steallx_steal Member Posts: 45
    hmmm,

    I did that until they quit fllashing and still cold air with a/c light off in defog mode
  • lx_steallx_steal Member Posts: 45
    my mistake
  • haefrhaefr Member Posts: 600
    "As far as seatcovers, whatever you buy, make sure they are compatible with the side airbag that is mounted in the seat. Obviously you don't want the covers affecting the aribag."

    Good point. When I bought my base model '03 Sonata (I know, this is an Accord forum, but my information applies to any make.) the upholstery was the ubiquitous "mouse fur" textured synthetic fabric. After three months of wishing I had leather, I bought a full set of tailored leather seatcovers online and installed them myself. (They're available custom fit for all makes.) On the lateral front seat back covers, the material had been processed to allow it to blow-out in the event the side airbags ever deploy. The area was identified with "SRS" embossed on the visible side of the covers just like the factory leather has. Best $487.00 plus shipping I ever spent. The covers from the company I bought from nearly duplicate the factory design and stitching, too. It takes a sharp eye to spot the minimal differences.
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    joe122,

    100° F in Stuart, FL is no different than 100° F in any other city, state or country. The factory tint of your Honda's windshield provides no less UV protection than any other brand of car's does.

    A decent sunshade, plus driving with your A/C on for a couple of minutes, should be all you need. You might also consider leaving your windows open a crack while parked to allow heat venting.
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