You're very welcome. I always forget to mention that you might have to log out and back in to make it effective, but I see you got it to work one way or another!
Wrong - Mobil 1 is available in 10W-30 weight. I have four cars, two using Mobil 1 10W-30 and the other two Mobil 1 5W-30. Heck, Mobil 1 is also available in 5W-20, and 0W-30. You read that right . . . 0W-30!
Here's an interesting comparison of the 4 vehicles currently (and, still) in my family fleet. Two of the four have used 5W-30 since day one, and both have over 130K miles. Each use between a 1/2 and 3/4 quart between changes (3K or 3 months, whichever comes first). The remaining two of the four have used 10W-30 since day one, and each of these have over 150K miles. Each use less than a 1/4 quart between changes with the same oil change interval. Of course, the make/engine types vary, but I find this interesting.
The major shift to 5W oil was not because of better lubrication, but for better fuel economy, specifically for manufacturers to meet the Federally-dictated CAFE standards.
One has to wonder if Mobil 1 10W-30 isn't a far better overall choice??
I know this is kinda off topic but as we all "should" know, the accord is in its 5th generation. Accords usually run 4-5 years. They usually go 1-2 years, change taillights and go 1-3 more years. (ex 1990-1993, 1994-1997, 1998-2002) The current accord has done all of that. Is anyone else curious when the next generation accord will debut? We all know that honda can be very tight lipped!
My personal preference is that the accord hybrid be cheaper to compete with the 2007 camry hybrid. Also an Accord Convertible!! This will do EXCELLENT against the solara, g6 hardtop, mustang and next sebring/stratus convertibles but is 99.9% guaranteed (my opinion) to increase sales. What company wouldn't want that. A family of 2 can barely fit in an S2000 (which also needs a redesign)hint hint honda :mad: . Maybe an SI accord coupe! I hope the next accord won't look on the new civic.
I know this is kinda off topic but as we all "should" know, the accord is in its 5th generation.
I don't mean to knitpick, but the Accord is in its 7th generation (1=1976-81, 2=1982-85, 3=1986-89, 4=1990-93, 5=1994-97, 6=1998-2001, 7=2003-07).
I hope the next Accord is a little more stylish than the current model. The Civic is maybe a little over-the-top (the dashboard, anyway), but the exterior of the Civic coupe is very attractive, IMO.
I also hope Honda goes the extra mile with the details this time. Things I can think of right now are (1) returning to a one-piece dashboard -- think Acura TSX, and (2) felt on door & window seals -- think VW Passat; these would serve to reduce noises & rattles. I also hope they return to amber rear turn signals -- my preference, but I HATE red turn signals -- they are harder to see in the daylight and look cheap.
I completly agree about the amber turn lights. For the current Accord, customers can buy the rear lens from the Accord Hybrid. The Hybrids get a amber signal. For noise, they also need to add some carpeting on the trunk cover. The trunk door (the hood that opens the trunk) doesn't have any carpeting on it like most cars. But customers can put any carpeting buy themselves on that anyway. The accord still has another year to go - especially since the new Camry will be out soon.
ok so i have my new 2006 accord. At what mileage should i get my first oil change. Everyone has been giving me different answers. :confuse: Please Help!
NO; not your first oil change, only those after. Read your book, it will explain that your first break-in oil change is at 5,000 miles, because of the special oil that collects metal particles from the freshly broken-in engine.
Would you care to share the page number? I can't seem to find where they make any distinction for the first oil change in my manual. I may be missing it.
You know what; I may have spoken out of haste about it being in the manual...
I do know, though, that for the last three Hondas we've bought (03, 05, and 06 Accords), the dealer wouldn't let us change the oil before 5k miles, only AT 5,000 miles should the first service be done. THEN, use the minder. A different type of oil is used from factory.
Ok, get it done when you like. I'm just going by what two different service managers and a sales manager with Honda have told me. I'll ask a friend of mine who works at the Honda plant in Lincoln, AL. Actually, I'll call him up. He's a tech guy who services the robots, but will have another educated opinion also.
Ok, get it done when you like. I'm just going by what two different service managers and a sales manager with Neil Bonnett Honda, Heritage Honda, and Serra Honda have told me. I'll ask a friend of mine who works at the Honda plant in Lincoln, AL. Actually, I'll call him up. He's a tech guy who services the robots, but will have another educated opinion also.
I called. He wasn't sure about Accords, but says 5,000 miles for the initial oil change in Odysseies, then whenever the maintenence minder reads 15% after the initial change.
Don't Change Your Engine Oil Too Soon By College Hills Honda Service Department Thu, 12 Aug 2004, 18:36:00
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On all Hondas (except Passport), the original engine oil contains additives to protect the engine during its break-in period. Since these additives aren’t in over-the-counter oils, make sure the first oil change happens at the recommended mileage/time interval, and not before. Honda's recommendations is to leave the original oil with additives in the motor until at least 3,750 miles.
This relates to what they told me at my local dealer, since the earliest recommended maintenance in the manual before the Maint. Minder was added was at 5,000 (for severe conditions).
I love the accord and guess we're the only ones curious about the 8th generation accord so far. I hope it isn't a retro remake like most companies are making such as the mustang and charger... I get excited by fresh or unpopular designs. When it is a surprise at an auto show, this will be a popular topic.
I'm considering purchasing a new 06 Accord EX w/leather and had a few questions: since i drive a lot on highways (average 75-80 MPH), road noise is a huge concern. I've read somewhere that the EX with leather is more noisy than the regular cloth seats. Any truth to this? Also, do you guys have any experiences to share about road noise in the 06 Accords in general. Thanks in advance for you posts.
Got a couple question regarding accessories for a new Accord SE 06 Sedan:
Can you guy suggest some good alarm system that can go with the keyless entry built in of the Accord? For wheel lock, splash guard, should I go for the OEM parts ? or should I go with after market parts ? Is there any product that can help support the car from other car (i.e., other cars scratch your car at parking ... )
I have a 2003 Accord with leather. The noise is not an issue, but the seats are VERY HARD! After two hours of driving, your "rear" will hurt! I solved the problem by sitting on a pillow. If I purchased another Accord, I will consider cloth seats. The only problem with the cloth seats is that "heated seats" are not an option, and I like the idea of "heated seats". Why can't Honda make softer leather seats? ---- Best regards. ---- Dwayne :confuse:
On the contrary, I find the leather seats in my 06 Accord EX V6 to be very comfortable and supportive. Soft seats will cause more aches on a long trip than firmer supportive seats. European autos have had firm seats for years and all the write-ups about them speak to their comfort and support
My 06 Accord is very quiet, much more so than my 02 Infiniti I35 I had previously. The EX version will have extra sound insulation in the hoods that the VP or LX won't. Plus the V6 is quieter than the 4cyl.
I feel that the comfort of the leather seats is very subjective. I have an 04 EXL and although I agree the seats are firm, I and others have no complaints driving in the car for hours.
As in many parts used in car assembly, it is possible that Honda uses more then one supplier for the leather seats. When a friend purchased a 05 EXL, they thought the seat comfort varied from EXL to EXL car. Probably the best thing to do is to sit in a couple of cars, esp the one your thinking of purchasing.
djm2 wrote: "The only problem with the cloth seats is that "heated seats" are not an option, and I like the idea of "heated seats"."
This is one I don't understand. Prior to my Honda's, every Classic SAAB 900 I owned had heated seats as standard equipment, and the seats were cloth, not leather. If SAAB can do this, why not Honda?
More like a wagon with popup(power) lights. lol :P I've been searching for a 96-97 v6 accord myself. The sticker price for an older model is quite a shock. The one I found was a white 95 exv6 sedan for $5,500 with 98k miles ! I loved it. My problem with it are the slow power windows and greasy blue/grey leather interior. IT was fully loaded to my preferences from power seats, to cd player and from headlamps to trunk size!! When i gathered up the courage to purchase, a wild (normal miami) driver i saw at a red light beat me there, test drove it and bought it . Hopefully, there will be more like it in 96 territory. :sick:
Try honda accessories http://www.handa-accessories.com/accelect06.html. the base unit cost 136, and the hood switch is another 36, and works in conjunction with your integrated key. As for wheel locks and splash guards, that same site has those too, but a wheel lock is a wheel lock, so it doesn't have to be from Honda. Splash guards just depend on the fit. The above site has honda ones, but not any aftermarket ones. You can always just go to your dealer and ask them to give you a better deal on accessories, and the worst thing they can do is say no.
Now the scratches....you can't control other people, so there isn't much you can do. If you do get a scratch, the best thing to do is to evaluate how deep of a scratch it is and repair it. Generally, scratches from parking lots aren't deep enough to where they can get past the paint, so in most cases if it's just the slightest scratch, a little polish and elbow grease should do it.
I purchased a 2006 Honda Accord w/ leather back in September and its probably one of the best investments I have made. I drive about 900-1000 highway miles per week and I have had no problems with road noise.
I think you have answered your own question. SAAB is NOT making any money for GM and it definately only appeals to "cold-weather" Swedish-like environments (however, remember that SAAB is a warmed over GM OPEL)!
However, Honda uses limited option packages to keep their costs and manufacturing time down (about 25% less time to manufacture a Honda than a GM or Ford - and time is money). SAAB is not a highly profitable stable stand alone company, where Honda is.
I think the old Volvo 740-760 sedans may have had heated cloth seats. A friend of mine from high school had one of the old boxes with cloth, heated seats.
Thanks to all for your take on the road noise question. Here's another one: I plan on keeping my accord for as long as it lasts. If I opt for the EX-leather, will it wear any quicker than the regular cloth seats? Right now, I drive a 96 Saturn (my first car) with 220K miles on it so I don't get rid of cars easily!! Anyone have leather seats in their accord with some excessive miles on it? Thanks.
I don't know about the leather, but my cloth seats have 158,000 miles on them in my 1996 with nary a worn spot or a tear. I took pictures of it for Carspace.com, you can search for "thegraduate" and see for yourself.
On a serious note i expect the accord to have an extended wheelbase available. I also predict it to be Dx, Lx, Ex(w/ leather), Lx V6, Ex with nav, ExV6 with nav, ExW (Extended wheelbase w/ optional nav) I predict for the 3.5k V6(from the pilot/mdx) to make it into the accord. Hey, honda has surprised us before just by making the ridgeline! So is a bigger accord to much to ask 4? Look at the lexus 460L and navigator EL concepts :P
If they build an extended wheel base, it should compete with the 300, 500/montego, Maxima, and Avalon. PLEASE don't ask me to predict styling :sick: . My only guess with that is that it will keep the 06's tail lamps.
On a serious note i expect the accord to have an extended wheelbase available. I also predict it to be Dx, Lx, Ex(w/ leather), Lx V6, Ex with nav, ExV6 with nav, ExW (Extended wheelbase w/ optional nav) I predict for the 3.5k V6(from the pilot/mdx) to make it into the accord. Hey, honda has surprised us before just by making the ridgeline! So is a bigger accord to much to ask 4? Look at the lexus 460L and navigator EL concepts
If they build an extended wheel base, it should compete with the 300, 500/montego, Maxima, and Avalon. PLEASE don't ask me to predict styling . My only guess with that is that it will keep the 06's tail lamps.
That's quite a radical prediction; any basis for it? (not knocking you, just wondering wh you think so) I imagine the front end will get sleeker (as did the Civic) and the car will get more aero-looking than it currently is. It will likely get a larger V-6, but I'd expect the 3.2 from the TL, with the TL getting a nudge to ~275hp and the Accord getting a nice, round 260 not the 3.5L from the RL.
My Prediction for this comes strictly from the generations session part of the accord on the basis that 1, model is introduced and runs 1-2 years with slight changes. The 3rd year tail lamps change and a little more power is added to base model. Then on the 4th or 5th year very minor changes usually in tail lamps and safety (1990-1993 accord in last year got rid of the electronic seatbelts and change in items offered such as in the 1990 generation case gains leather seats in a bigger variety of vehicles Se and Ex and the 2nd year of the 1994 generation gained a V6 engine, a 1st 4 an accord) features and 2 history always repeats or revisits itself at least 1ce. 3rd whos to say i'm right? My thesis is strictly based on my knowledge. As i mentioned b4 its just a prediction .
Btw, the accord isn't slow but it's competition is getting faster (2007 camry offering a 255hp engine somewhere in that complicated line up) so why not give the competition a real run 4 the money? Getting a lot of power out of a smaller engine is what honda does best but it still comes at a cost (the s2000's small but powerful engine but has a loud annoying tone and a minimalist design*) Toyota is trying to be the #1 selling brand in america so why shouldn't honda be atop the list if not 1st? Honda has reputation on its side. Its not like hyundai, kia or suzuki who are still building a reputation/ coming out of the gate :shades:.
And Honda already has a 3.2L that bests the 255hp. I'm sure it'll be included when the Accord is renewed.
Well, the Toyota's actually has 268 hp, while the Honda/Acura 3.2L has 258 hp. The Honda 3.5L has 290 hp in the RL, but such a large engine would likely incite some torque steer, a problem the TL has already.
true. Maybe it'll incoperate the SH-AWD system for this vehicle. Honda doesn't have the capacity but in the years to come, look 4 honda to be among the top. After what happened in tokyo to the RL in one of those older news articles, honda may take even longer to develop a new engine. They should reinforce the body structure 1st.
Just a question but isn't the tl using the old engine from the 3.2Cl? And the tl has 258 hp @ 6200 rpm. The rl 290 hp @ 6200 rpm. The accord hybrid bests the tl but the regular accord has a 3.0l V6 has 244 hp @ 6244 rpm. If you like torque, the tl has 22 more than the accord V6.
Yes, the TL 3.2L is the same basic V-6 that the TL used in 1999, and the CL used since 2001, although modifications have been made since its introduction @ 225 hp.
So if the accord offered the 3.2, wouldn't it be a step down unless the tweaking is continued?? :confuse: ? I feel bad 4 honda because that engine is soon to be tweaked out.
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Here's an interesting comparison of the 4 vehicles currently (and, still) in my family fleet. Two of the four have used 5W-30 since day one, and both have over 130K miles. Each use between a 1/2 and 3/4 quart between changes (3K or 3 months, whichever comes first). The remaining two of the four have used 10W-30 since day one, and each of these have over 150K miles. Each use less than a 1/4 quart between changes with the same oil change interval. Of course, the make/engine types vary, but I find this interesting.
The major shift to 5W oil was not because of better lubrication, but for better fuel economy, specifically for manufacturers to meet the Federally-dictated CAFE standards.
One has to wonder if Mobil 1 10W-30 isn't a far better overall choice??
My personal preference is that the accord hybrid be cheaper to compete with the 2007 camry hybrid. Also an Accord Convertible!! This will do EXCELLENT against the solara, g6 hardtop, mustang and next sebring/stratus convertibles but is 99.9% guaranteed (my opinion) to increase sales. What company wouldn't want that. A family of 2 can barely fit in an S2000 (which also needs a redesign)hint hint honda :mad: . Maybe an SI accord coupe! I hope the next accord won't look on the new civic.
I don't mean to knitpick, but the Accord is in its 7th generation (1=1976-81, 2=1982-85, 3=1986-89, 4=1990-93, 5=1994-97, 6=1998-2001, 7=2003-07).
I hope the next Accord is a little more stylish than the current model. The Civic is maybe a little over-the-top (the dashboard, anyway), but the exterior of the Civic coupe is very attractive, IMO.
I also hope Honda goes the extra mile with the details this time. Things I can think of right now are (1) returning to a one-piece dashboard -- think Acura TSX, and (2) felt on door & window seals -- think VW Passat; these would serve to reduce noises & rattles. I also hope they return to amber rear turn signals -- my preference, but I HATE red turn signals -- they are harder to see in the daylight and look cheap.
Enjoy!
When the oil life indicator tells you it's time to do it. :shades:
I do know, though, that for the last three Hondas we've bought (03, 05, and 06 Accords), the dealer wouldn't let us change the oil before 5k miles, only AT 5,000 miles should the first service be done. THEN, use the minder. A different type of oil is used from factory.
Uhhh, this is what the manual tells you. :shades:
I called. He wasn't sure about Accords, but says 5,000 miles for the initial oil change in Odysseies, then whenever the maintenence minder reads 15% after the initial change.
Mrbill
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This relates to what they told me at my local dealer, since the earliest recommended maintenance in the manual before the Maint. Minder was added was at 5,000 (for severe conditions).
(ps the 5th generation is my favorite
Just curious as to what you were thinking about it. By the way, I have a 5th Gen Accord (1996), and I LOVE it...
It just won't quit! 157,500 miles now; original tranny, alternator, rear brakes (drums), etc. Only one $220 repair in its life; the main fan motor.
Got a couple question regarding accessories for a new Accord SE 06 Sedan:
Can you guy suggest some good alarm system that can go with the keyless entry built in of the Accord?
For wheel lock, splash guard, should I go for the OEM parts ? or should I go with after market parts ?
Is there any product that can help support the car from other car (i.e., other cars scratch your car at parking ... )
Thanks,
My 06 Accord is very quiet, much more so than my 02 Infiniti I35 I had previously. The EX version will have extra sound insulation in the hoods that the VP or LX won't. Plus the V6 is quieter than the 4cyl.
As in many parts used in car assembly, it is possible that Honda uses more then one supplier for the leather seats. When a friend purchased a 05 EXL, they thought the seat comfort varied from EXL to EXL car. Probably the best thing to do is to sit in a couple of cars, esp the one your thinking of purchasing.
Mrbill
This is one I don't understand. Prior to my Honda's, every Classic SAAB 900 I owned had heated seats as standard equipment, and the seats were cloth, not leather. If SAAB can do this, why not Honda?
Now the scratches....you can't control other people, so there isn't much you can do. If you do get a scratch, the best thing to do is to evaluate how deep of a scratch it is and repair it. Generally, scratches from parking lots aren't deep enough to where they can get past the paint, so in most cases if it's just the slightest scratch, a little polish and elbow grease should do it.
However, Honda uses limited option packages to keep their costs and manufacturing time down (about 25% less time to manufacture a Honda than a GM or Ford - and time is money). SAAB is not a highly profitable stable stand alone company, where Honda is.
If they build an extended wheel base, it should compete with the 300, 500/montego, Maxima, and Avalon. PLEASE don't ask me to predict styling :sick: . My only guess with that is that it will keep the 06's tail lamps.
If they build an extended wheel base, it should compete with the 300, 500/montego, Maxima, and Avalon. PLEASE don't ask me to predict styling . My only guess with that is that it will keep the 06's tail lamps.
That's quite a radical prediction; any basis for it? (not knocking you, just wondering wh you think so) I imagine the front end will get sleeker (as did the Civic) and the car will get more aero-looking than it currently is. It will likely get a larger V-6, but I'd expect the 3.2 from the TL, with the TL getting a nudge to ~275hp and the Accord getting a nice, round 260 not the 3.5L from the RL.
How about a smaller engine?
Btw, the accord isn't slow but it's competition is getting faster (2007 camry offering a 255hp engine somewhere in that complicated line up) so why not give the competition a real run 4 the money? Getting a lot of power out of a smaller engine is what honda does best but it still comes at a cost (the s2000's small but powerful engine but has a loud annoying tone and a minimalist design*) Toyota is trying to be the #1 selling brand in america so why shouldn't honda be atop the list if not 1st? Honda has reputation on its side. Its not like hyundai, kia or suzuki who are still building a reputation/ coming out of the gate :shades:.
*Directly from edmunds s2000 new car comparison
Honda is nowhere near beating Toyota for #1 though. Even if they could find the customers, Honda doesn't have the capacity.
Well, the Toyota's actually has 268 hp, while the Honda/Acura 3.2L has 258 hp. The Honda 3.5L has 290 hp in the RL, but such a large engine would likely incite some torque steer, a problem the TL has already.
Just a question but isn't the tl using the old engine from the 3.2Cl? And the tl has 258 hp @ 6200 rpm. The rl 290 hp @ 6200 rpm. The accord hybrid bests the tl but the regular accord has a 3.0l V6 has 244 hp @ 6244 rpm. If you like torque, the tl has 22 more than the accord V6.