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The $450 over invoice is what they are advertising, but obviously if they are willing to sell at that price, they can go a lot lower if pushed. I am willing to push, but I need a little advice?
I have not done any internet shopping, but am willing to give that a try too.
- Less HP (same engine as LX, just no VTEC)
- 14" Wheels
- No Cruise
- No Power Doors
- No Power Windows
- ABS is not an option
But, the VP does include...
- Automatic
- CD/Tape Stereo
- Exterior Trim of a LX
- Wood Trim Interior
..And is at least $3k less than the LX.
Consequently, I purchased the VP purely based on price and likely trade-in value. I was looking to spend about $16k, wanted something larger than a civic with good trade-in value. In my opinion, for $15k, you can't go wrong. Of course, lack of power dooors/windows, cruise and ABS is a sacrifice. (I added cruise and power door locks at an aftermarket shop, but still miss the power windows & ABS.)
Hopefully, if they are looking to move out the 2001 models, we can agree on a price and I will get my new car.
It does make sense to get the 2002, but I figured that I would not be able to get that low.
Apparently, SUSTAINED high speeds for long periods
of time are NOT recommended fot new motors. I have a 2000 Honda Accord EX V6, and have never taken it for a high speed drive for longer than 1 hour. You might want to get other opinions.
Call them and Talk to Joe Reid.
There are two "rules" to follow about engine breakin:
-Try to vary your road speed, so that you don't run at the same rpm for extended periods of time, say more than 15 minutes. Just vary your speed up and down from time to time. Knowing the typical I-15 traffic to LV, this should be pretty easy. But plan on allowing a little extra time - you should not plan on the sustained 80 mph that tends to be the norm out in the desert on the LA-LV run.
-Avoid full throttle and heavy kickdowns from a higher gear to a lower; keep the engine revs below about 3500 or so in each gear. No heavy acceleration. And be gentle with the brakes for awhile, as well - give the pads a chance to bed in with the rotors for the longest possible life.
The main thing is to avoid cruise control because you need to vary engine speed a bit, and keep it below 3500 rpm. But no reason to stay home if these restrictions don't bother you.
Honda/Acura did this with both the CL and TL-S, both of which arrived in the Spring.
Nope, I'll refrain from responding in the manner called for.
A fully loaded 2002 XLEV6 with navigation is priced higher than full undiscounted MSRP of a 2002 Acura TL with navigation.
Similar high pricing applies to less equipped 2002 Camrys.
It is a nicer car with a newer design than the current Accord, but the HUGE price advantage plus probable finance deals for a 2002 Accord VS 2002 Camry will probably save sales of the Accord until the 2003 model comes out.
Anyone know of any aftermarket accessories
for Accord 2001 VP, especially power locks ?
Thanks in advance!
I'd suggest checking with your dealer. If my dealer didn't specifically recommend this shop, I'd be a little too nervous about having anybody other than a dealer tear into a brand new car.
Consequently, I'm pleased with the add-ons.
Brochures are also available. No changes I can see, one color changed. No options added that I can see.
Price posted is $431 above the 2001 price. This is his 'sale' price, not MSRP price, so this is an increase in invoice price.
I just don't understand this. The last year of a series, no added options, and $400+ invoice increase. Of course Honda's competition Toyota is introducing a new series, with very large price increases. So, Honda probably thinks it can get this increase for their car.
Was is the new color choice?
Thanks for your input. My aftermarket place is
offering a "Clifford Arrow 3" car security alarm
system. Anyone heard of this one ?
Another place is offering a Dynatech XR-924
with "Digital Shock Sensor" security system, a
virtual unknown company in my book ?
Apparently the car lacks power doors so I need
to bear the expense of "door actuators". How
does all that work ? I mean does all this work
like anywhere close to the normal power doors ?
Thanks for your help.
Sounds weird but it has happened me at least 4 times. Almost got me killed when it stalled in front of the snow plow!
I am trying to decide if 2001 or 2002 model (V6-EX) is of better value. I intend to keep the
car for about 4-5 years.
The 2002 is basically the same as the 2001 model.
Except maybe it has an auto-headlight-off feature.
The invoice price is $430 dollar above that of 2001 model.
My question is this: what do you think the price difference will be between the 2001 and 2002 models?
If the difference is less than 2K, then I believe that the 2002 model is of better value, because it will have about higher resale value of 2K than the 2001 Model.
Any suggestions/comments?
Thank you very much!
have owned 3 other Accords that have had fabric/cloth, how does the leather hold up to wear and tear, a lot of maintenance or no?
I note two other differences: the cargo net as standard, and 16" wheels for the sedan, which were only on the coupe in '01. The auto-off headlights are on the '01 [though I rarely depend on that on our car, it does work].
As to the leather vs other alternatives, if properly maintained, I think the leather is more than fine. A little conditioner upon initial delivery goes a long way, then a once-a-year go over [just the front seats for most people] with cleaner and conditioner. At the most, this is a 15 minute job, and is no more arduous that doing the same thing with soiled cloth, which shows the dirt a lot faster in my experience.
Anyway, my conclusion is that you should get an '02 if you have a choice - the car will be worth about $1k-$1.5 more at resale than an '01, year for year until it gets to be about 6 years old. After that, resale depends more on condition and mileage than on model year differences, at least within the same generational family [in this case, the 1998 through 2002 cars share a common body style and are part of the same generation].
The power door locks work by pulling up or down one of the existing front door locks. When you do this, the actuators kick-in and lock or unlock all the doors. Very simple and effective. (No need for any additional switches.) Consequently, I was happy that they didn't put in a switch for the doors. My fear of having them "cut" a hole into each door would have prevented me from going down this path.
Best of luck.
2002 Honda Sedan EX V6 has P205/65R15 Alloy.
2001 Honda Sedan EX V6 has P205/65R15 Alloy.
Doesn't say they have 16inchers in 2002.
I've not looked at Coupes, didn't know they had different wheels (16inchers).
Both (2002/2001 Sedans) have auto-off headlights.
Local dealer Internet site says he sells $316 over invoice.
2001 MSRP $25,540, selling price $23,123.
2002 MSRP $25,740, selling price $23,554.
MSRP increase $200, selling price $431 (Invoice increase, I assume).
I still see no added features for the money. And this looks like almost a 2% increase. Course there is a little inflation in the world.
Dark Emerald Pearl is gone, Noble Green Pearl is new. Gone one was very dark green, new one is a medium green (British racing green?). All other colors are the same. Interior colors the same.
Do you think it is reasonable to ask for 23,000 out the door?
Does anyone know any dealers would offer me at that prices?
Thanks
As for the '01-'02 differences, I defer to anyone with a real brochure - I was keying my remarks off the College Hills website, and it mentioned 16" wheels for the sedan...probably erroneous. And yes, since they seem to have taken a further 1% bite out of dealer margins [higher invoice], that implies a transaction price that will be about 2% higher. This will come back in the form of higher resale value for at least the next 5 years, especially if you can get a good deal on an '02 early - we bought our '01 in Sept '00, so have gotten our money's worth out of the first year's depreciation. Anyone who buys an '01 now takes the hit all at once in the next 60 days.
I would look for at least a $1000 difference between an '01 and an '02 before picking the former over the latter...that would cover your resale difference for the next few years. If you can't get that, it makes sense to buy the newer model.
If you figure about 10% on top of the selling price you'll have a decent estimate of the out-the-door figure.
Dealers do not *charge* sales tax and license fees. They simply collect these monies and forward them to the state!
I did hear elsewhere that they REALLY boosted prices. I hope this is the case too! Camrys are great cars and strong competition for us.
Toyota could not "jack prices way up" becasue of increased competition from the new Altima, which WILL be a competitor to the Camry and Accord.
~alpha
Once you add all the options, plus some new ones that were not available on the 2001s, a 2002 Camry will top put at about $31500.
You can get a 2002 Acura TL with similar equipment, better warranty and service and more power for less than a fully loaded 2002 Camry.
As Toyota dealers struggle to hold out for full MSRP for the next several months on the 2002 Camrys and with no rebates on the 2002 Toyotas, it will much more expensive than a similarly-equipped 2002 Accord.