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If the techs are as knowledgeable as you and/or there's a code stored and/or it's damp wet weather tomorrow when I take it in, then maybe it will get fixed right the first time. Thanks again.
Thanks.
Here's my situation as it stands right now. The dealer cost is 24,252 minus 500 incentive until April 1st.
Delivery and dealer prep is 850. Air Con tax is 100 making a total of 24702.
The car had the following *EXPENSIVE* dealer accessories already installed. Block heater (120), rear splash guards (85), locking lug nuts (66), and a bug deflector (?). Even at list price for the accessories, and a guess of $75 for the bug/wind deflector the cost rises to 25046.
How much profit do they need to make, when Honda also has a 'dealer hold back' of another 3% (728) that the dealer will eventually get (that's why dealers can sell at invoice, or less and still make money). Now, if I give them another 700 to cover profit on me, and cover admin/registration fees or any other fees they dream up the price becomes 25726, with GST 27527. If they want more profit they can improve their admin efficiency. An offer of 27500 should be reasonable all around wouldn't you think?
The dealer turned down my initial offer of 27750 (before I knew the real costs) and countered with 27900, to which I said 27800, then walked when they refused. They called me later and asked me to give them a price to get their business.
I already offered 27800, but feel 27500 is more than enough. How should I handle the dealer on this. Tell them they didn't accept my offer so it's off the table, or ask for more goodies to make it worth another $300? Need suggestions on this quickly as I'll be out of town on Tuesday until after April 1st. Do you think the incentive will be carried forward past April 1st? The dealer is offering 4.9% (from a credit union) for up to 5 years. Is this a good deal? I suspect the dealer also gets a finders fee on the amount financed too.
In regard to incentive, they MAY have other incentive after the $500 cashback, but who knows? I think generally as you get closer to the end of the model year, prices will loosen up more, but then you also have less choices as to models and colours.
Holdbacks is one thing I don't have a grip on. First, I'm not sure if Canadian dealers have the same deal with holdbacks as their US counterpart. And secondly, a lot of dealers regard holdbacks as untouchable. They regard it as something to reduce their inventory costs. I can see their point of view in a way. I figure if they didn't have holdbacks, then their inventory holding costs would be passed on in the form of higher profit margin.
BTW, did you tell them that you know about the $500 cashback? One dealer I went to pretended not to know until I showed them the printout from carcostcanada.
Thanks again!
Norm
You may have to find their contact email address or phone # and ask them to explain their current price plans.
If you have a ’98 or later Honda Accord sedan and wouldn’t mind taking some “Day in the life” type photos of yourself with the car this week, then I want to speak to you. Photos are for research purposes only and will not be used in any other way. Please call Armand Briones at (310) 927-6685 asap if interested. I will provide disposable camera and will pay you $20 dollars for the trouble.
1. How much slippage has to occur before the tc kicks in?
2. Does it pump the brakes similar to ABS or is it constant pressure until the 2 wheels rotate at the same speed?
3. Does the system include de-throttling in conjunction with the brake action?
Thank you for any info you can provide.
canadiancl
Not for sure on how many rotations but it is within 1 second or so. I have tried the system out by spinning the tires on wet pavement and it starts pulsating the brakes on and off.
I think I remember something saying some where about the possibility of the timing be retarded to slow the performance down a bit but I didnt feel any decrease. If I can remember I will check the manual on that.
A somewhat related question: Would you say the Accord with FWD and TC would be almost as capable is the CR-V's RT4WD system?
Thanks again.
I don't think it can compare to the CR-V or any 4wd system simply for the fact of the extra drive wheels and traction options they have. However it is and would be better than a non-TC fwd car.
b.My man, you are just a little walking information bank....I hope you didn't put all of your time and energy into finding all of those numbers for me. Maybe you've just accumulated them over the years after experiencing OTHER Honda problems.
Well anyway, I do appreciate it. However, I don't have the time or the patience to sit on hold for 30 minutes, navigating thru a maze of recordings. You see, in this electronic age we are in it is much easier to fire an e-mail, wait for a reply, and hope you receive the information you need. Then you choose whether or not to make a phone call. In order to do this my friend, you need an e-mail address. Now, I don't know what kind of consumer businesses you deal with on a daily basis, but I find it rather difficult to find a company nowadays, with the exception of Honda(and oh, Toyota) that doesn't provide one. I guess that's just my ignorance in accepting an e-mail address to a toll free number.
Well, I do need to run, but I do want to thank you again for your concern.
TJ
Confirmed - All new for 2003 inside and out. Inside information is confirming an available 6-spd manual for the V-6 Coupe.
Rumors - More interior room, increased horsepower (170hp 2.4L in 4cyl, 3.2L or 3.5L in the V-6). Possible Navigation System and Type R version (220hp 4cyl). Honda is saying this will be the most radical Accord model change in its' history.
NOTE: Honda has yet to release pictures or specifications for the 2003 model. Most artist sketches and renderings to this point have been inaccurate or are for other overseas markets according to sources. Don't expect actual "production" information and pictures from American Honda Motor Company until mid to late summer.
Does anyone know if all Accords sold in North America are built in Ohio or are some of them built in Ontario, Canada?
All V6 Accords are Ohio-built; the 4 cyl cars can come from any of the three sources cited above
Personally, I hope they lean towards a more aggressive look (with the coupe anyway) while retaining some of the classy lines of the past. I really liked the sketches of the white four door type R on the Mag X website, but again it could be the European version.
http://www.mag-x.com/scoop/accord0202/index.html
They also have a 5-way comparo of 2002 six-cylinder "Mainstream Midsizers" starting on page 52. The Accord EX came in a "strong" second to the Camry SE. They were followed by the Altima SE, Impala LS and Taurus SEL... in that order.
And what about the coupe that is supposed to fill the Prelude void? A rumored 240Hp 6 speed manual instead gets a carry over of the torquey but not so dynamic 200Hp SOHC v6, not a chance.
Don't lose faith, I think we will be pleasantly surprised when the new metal arrives.
And as far as the new Accord competing with Altima, it looks like it just did, and won, according to Car and Driver and now Motor Trend. And that's still the old Accord.
97 v6 did not have vtec and only had 170hp.
4 bangers only had 130-140hp
As far as looks of the belt go, don't believe it. It is better to replace them as recommended or a little earlier as you never know what is under the skin.
I will be surprised if 2003 Accord V6 is a carryover. IMO, it will be a brand new design with iVTEC even if the peak power output remains the same. The improvement in that case would be in the lower revs. And, iVTEC engines come with timing chain.
A 220-240 HP V6, with 6-speed, no more than 3250 lb. and reasonable features with type-R chassis package (suspension, rims, tires and brakes) would be a fabulous offering.
I also had to have my battery cables replaced as corrosion had run up the wires.
BTW, my '93 without VTEC has 145 hp. Just 5 less than the current 4 banger. The seats are more comfortable than the current generation too. I don't feel the '02 has anything significant to offer me (it even resembles the pre '94 body style) and I plan on keeping my '93 for at least 3 or 4 more years.
Besides, Honda has been known to make "low" output engines that compete very well with higher output engines. I was looking at the ads the other day,and saw the new Suzuki Aerio. It compared acceleration times with the Honda Civic DX models. Even with 141hp vs. the DX's 115hp, the Aerio reached 60mph only a few tenths of a second faster than the Civic. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
Current Accord V6 is rated at 200 HP in USA/Canada, but Japanese market gets two other variations, at 210 HP (Odyssey) and 215 HP (Avancier). In Japan, Honda Inspire/Saber (sold as Acura TL) got a 2.5 liter V6 base engine with 200 HP and optional 3.2 liter V6 with 225 HP. Later, when Acura released the CL Type-S, the 260 HP version replaced the 225 HP in Japan, while we continue to get both iterations of the 3.2/V6.
When Honda unleashes the new V6 for Accord (could be 3.0 liter or 3.2 liter), they will follow up with new engines for Acura TL/CL (due for redesign), Odyssey (due for redesign in a year or two), MDX and later Pilot. They already showcased a new V6 using DOHC iVTEC layout six months ago at Tokyo Autoshow (3.5 liter V6 used in DualNote prototype). This indicates that they have had a new V6 ready for quite some time, and replacement of current SOHC VTEC V6 begins with Accord makeover. BTW, the 3.5 liter V6 DOHC iVTEC was rated at 300 HP @ 6500 rpm, and would work with a front engine front drive car (FF engines are typically placed slightly ahead of front axle perhaps for better weight transfer during acceleration, which also makes them the engine of choice without much change in a mid-engine/RWD layout. See Celica/MR-S duo as another example).
Said that, we could see the next Accord V6 deliver anywhere from 200 to 240 HP from 3.0-3.2 liter displacement, and TL will move up with a standard output of 260-280 HP from a 3.5 liter engine.