Older Honda Accords

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  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    before we layout the big $$$ for an MDX or Pilot, if the Accord survives, that is.

    I have to admit, I find the message boards like "Honda Accord (2003) vs. Mazda6" tiring too. I'm not even talking about picking sides or anything, but people just get too into it. I quit reading the "Return of GMs Might" board long ago for the same reasion.
  • inky4inky4 Member Posts: 238
    NEWSWIRE-

    Honda Begins Production of the All-New 2003 Accord


    Marysville, Ohio 08/16/2002 -- Production of the all-new 2003 Honda Accord began today at the Marysville Auto Plant.

    In a rolling model change, the first '03 Accord, a Metallic Silver sedan, was driven off the production line at 12:17p.m. Eastern time on the heels of its popular predecessor model.

    The completely redesigned Accord sedan goes on sale Sept. 9, followed by the new sporty coupe Sept.18.

    "The Accord is the flagship product in our model lineup," Tom Shoupe, plant manager of the Marysville Auto Plant, told associates today. "You have the strength, experience and commitment to provide customers with world-class quality and reliability."

    The 7th generation Accord boasts dynamic new styling in both the sedan and coupe models to capture the attention of younger consumers, while providing the performance and quality that Accord customers expect.

    The Accord was the best-selling car in America in 2001. Exterior styling for the sedan and coupe is more distinctive, and the two models will share only their headlights for '03. A host of additional standard equipment has been added on all models, including anti-lock brakes, tilt and telescopic steering and 5-speed automatic transmissions.

    The Accord has been manufactured for nearly 20 years at the Marysville Auto Plant. In addition to the Accord, the Acura TL sedan and Acura CL coupe are produced at the Marysville Auto Plant. The Marysville plant assembled 456,348 cars last year, more than any other plant in North America.

    The V-6 and four-cylinder engines for the Accord are produced at Honda's engine plant in Anna, Ohio. The Anna Engine Plant produces more than one million engines per year for Honda auto plants throughout North America.

    American Honda Motor Company
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    "DID IT OCCUR TO YOU TO MOVE OUT OF THE WAY INSTEAD OF HONKING!!" LOL LOL LOL

    ...get her one of the beeping back up devices. But then again if someone can't hear her honking, the backup device ain't gonna help.

    My DW has a habit of driving too far over to the right. She claims she doesn't like being close to the center line - "...you have like 8' over there and meanwhile the branches are whipping the passenger A pillar!!!" I hate being a passenger with her.
  • pilotownerpilotowner Member Posts: 51
    On the east coast, Honda is currently offering leases on 2002 Accord EX (4 cylinder/auto/no leather) - 36 month/15K miles per year/$0 security and $0 disposition fee at the end of the lease. Price is about $269/month. Has anyone seen a better deal? Does anyone know if this deal will also be available in September up to or past the Sept 9 launch of the '03?

    Thanks
  • firsthondafirsthonda Member Posts: 1
    I just purchased a new Honda Accord 2002 sedan. I am considering buying a nose mask. I have not decided on a full or half mask as of yet and would like some feedback on pros and/or cons on either mask.

    Also, do I need to worry about condensation underneath the mask during rain or after a carwash? Any effects on paint quality due to mask? I plan to install myself.

    FROM www.handa-accessories.com
    Quality vinyl protects front paint from insects and minor road debris. Felt-lined backnig ensures a smooth, wrinkle-free, protective fit that is slip-resistant and mildew-resistant. Accord Logo
  • markz2kmarkz2k Member Posts: 112
    After I had owned my new '00 Accord for about a month, I got hit by a small rock on the freeway which put a nasty chip in the front part of the hood.

    I then ordered the full nose mask from www.hondaparts4you.com. (They don't charge for shipping) The top part is easy to put on, the bottom is much harder, at least until it gets stretched out a bit. It's been 2 years, haven't had a chip since. Haven't had any paint problems; I take the top part off for every other car wash. The bottom I remove less often.
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    firsthonda:

    What you are referring to as a "nose mask" is universally referred to as a "bra". Yes they can protect the paint from minor dings when pebbles are kicked up off the road by other vehicles, but:

    Unless you are scrupulously careful about cleaning your paint and your bra regularly, the point where the bra meets the paint will be subjected to wear by microscopic dust particles being rubbed into the paint. You will end up with a finely-scratched line right across your hood. The effect is like sandpapering the paint, but to a very slight degree. It won't look pretty after a year.

    A bra protects whatever is under it from the sun. The only problem is, that when you remove the bra after a year, you will have two-tone paint on your hood due to the natural aging effects of the sun on the uncovered areas.

    Some people may think bras look "cool". You may find that they aren't such a great idea though.
  • jeffrey15jeffrey15 Member Posts: 61
    Anyone tried this? There are a bunch of different manufacturers, but they all use a 3m product which suposedly won't damage the paint.


    http://www.armourfendusa.com/


    http://www.stoneguard.com/

  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    Remember the Newsweek artical a few weeks ago noting Honda's mid-life crisis over the Accord's demographics compared to Passat owners? Passat owners are younger, more educated, and have a higher median income. At the time, I suggested that the stats are misleading (no!) because the Passat sells in fewer numbers and has no equivalent "entry-level" model.

    Anyway, I was reading a review of the new Saab 9-3 in CAR last night. The reviewer noted that Saab 9-3 owners are younger (by almost 10 years), more educated, and have higher incomes than BMW 3-Series owners. Of course, Saab only sells 140,000 9-3s each year. Has BMW reached its mid-life crisis too?
  • soberssobers Member Posts: 496
    For God's sake it costs atleast 4000 more than comparably equipped Accord. V6 Passat competes with TL pricewise & 4 cyl with V6 Accord.

    Though interior detailing could a bit better than Accord, it is not as sporty as Accord & has rear suspension geometry not specifically tuned for sporty ride. You can check passat bouncing on road irregularities when accord settles immediately with a single up down suspension movement. Before buying my 2000 Accord I did an extensive research. I did not test drive a Camry that time. I checked Maxima & Passat. (Ended up with Accord due to best value & the best combination/comprimises of all that I want in a midsize car)

    Passat is also smaller than Accord & rear seats aren't as roomy. Read carefully: Honda has younger buyers for Accord than VW has for Passat!! I do see younger guys in Jetta but not much is Passat.

    You can't have it all, but in Accord you get VERY close. New egenration would again underscore that!
  • ljgusaljgusa Member Posts: 6
    We went to test drive a 2003 Passat Wagon before
    we bought a Honda EX V6. No comparision. Smaller
    than the Honda, and the interior design is rather dated. What is worse, when we stopped at a red light and the car vibrated!!! (Hope this was not a common case) The Passat may has more metal and is heavier and may be more safe, but we chose Honda for the ride quality and the price.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    New 9-3 looks to be a very strong entrant into the entry level luxo group. BMWs are everywhere, very dull now IMO.
  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    was an equal of the A4. Something for the TSX to aim for...
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    The TSX looks as lively as a funeral procession. I hope its interior will be engaging, as well as its performance.
  • soberssobers Member Posts: 496
    Rightly said !! :)) If TSX's spy/rumor shots are correct, I would say Honda has gone crazy !!

    I would rather have 4 door RS-X (Similar styling & Handling with better displacement 2.2O)
  • prattsterprattster Member Posts: 59
    Here's a good pic. to the interior of the all new Accord in EX trim. Very rich looking dash and door materials ie. Acura Legend. New heavier gauge sheetmetal on the doors and panels is also utilized. Increased structural rigidity over the current already tight car.
    VW, Audi interior was benchmarked in the development. It's a shame that Nissan doesn't hold its suppliers to this type of interior quality and feel. They can do much better than the cuurent Altima for what it costs.
    I predict an already refined product will set the standard in the class with its new engines, 6spd, interior materials, braking, safety features and legendary realiability and longevity. Look out Toyota and VW..
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    What I find confusing is that they can make the EX Accord's interior as luxurious as a Lexus, and meanwhile an MDX can't be as luxurious as an RX300.

    The latest Edmund's luxo-crossover comparo is quite interesting.
  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    to upgrade its interiors starting with the new Accord. I think they have used to many "Honda" parts in their "Acura" models as you suggest above. The TL is a great car, but I don't like seeing the Accord's door panel or map light/glasses holder lifted straight out.

    As for the SUV test, it would have been interesting if they had waited for the new Volvo XC90, because Forbes called it the best Luxury SUV/Crossover available. They will have a diesel XC90, which I would love to see on an MDX, which my wife wants for her next car.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    I don't know why they didn't include the Mercedes M-Class either. Most likely they couldn't get one for the test, but usually they tell you why they omit a player; this time they didn't.

    As for interiors - even though I think that the RSX shouldn't be an Acura, its interior is quite nice, and I don't think it shares any parts with the Civic. So if Honda is indeed sprucing up their Acura cars to differentiate them from their lesser Honda siblings, the next TL will thus move further up in luxury, at least on the interior anyway. Let's hope they don't increase the price too much.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    ...is of the Coupe, not the Sedan. The EX sedan gets wood trim, and a bit more color contrast in the dash area.
  • adamr2adamr2 Member Posts: 31
    Whats with the cheap looking plastic bubble door near the shifter? I hope this door looks better in person than it does in the pictures.
  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    my .02 cents. Inside beautiful, outside jury is still out. The guys at my Honda store are going up to D.C. tomorrow to drive the car. So far they are not too thrilled with the sedans rump, and hood (looks like a Chrysler down to the logo with the H ) We'll see once the car gets here.

    Mackabee
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    It's shot at a bad angle. I'm pretty sure that's a storage compartment with a cover.
  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    FROM AUTOWEEK.COM:

    "Don’t even bother asking for a sedan version of what Honda is calling “the ultimate Accord.” Honda has no plans to offer a sedan version of the performance-oriented 2003 Accord coupe fitted with a 240-hp, 3.0-liter V6 engine and six-speed manual transmission. While Accord engineer Charlie Baker says Honda doesn’t rule out any possibility, the vast majority of Accord sedan buyers tend toward the economy and practicality of a four-cylinder/automatic transmission car, while coupe buyers lean toward more power and stick shifters"

    Is there hope?
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    The chances of the 6-spd winding up in the 6 cyl sedan are extremely remote. And I personally think the whole exercise is pointless anyway, since a well-driven 5-spd automatic will stay with the well-driven 6-spd manual right up to 80 mph...the difference might be a car length or two at that speed.

    "Stepped" CVTs [like Audi] and paddle-shifted electronic clutched semi-manuals make a lot more sense to me, and are the way everyone will be going in the performance end of the business over the next 10 years. Having owned plenty of both manuals and automatics over the past 40 years, I have no nostalgia at all for a left pedal. For those who absolutely have to have one in a 6 cyl Accord, my bet is that you will have to get the Coupe or fuhgeddaboutit...
  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    a electronically activated manual such as the Ferrari F1 or BMW SMG or Toyota something or other would be ideal. These are different than the manumatic transmissions such as Porsche/Audi tiptronic, which are automatics more easily shifted.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Member Posts: 3,469
    A manual generally takes about a second off of 0-60 times. Sometimes less, sometimes more. The new Altima V6 (a competitor for the Accord that does have a manual v-6 sedan) is 6.3 vs mid sevens. If you are going 60 mph, a second is more than a car length - it is 88 feet.

    What is a "well driven automatic" - you just push the go pedal (OK maybe you load the torque converter a little first).

    I do agree that the manumatic is the best of both worlds -almost. I would still prefer a standard manual shift because I don't have to shift sequentially.

    Anyway the problem does not affect me because I prefer the 4-cylinder (which with a manual will probably be almost as fast as the automatic v-6)
  • rwong1998rwong1998 Member Posts: 38
    I think the new accord looks like a winner but I do agree with mackabee that the rear end of the sedan is definately a weak point. I will have to see it in person to see if it detracts enough from the car to make me consider another car. I do think that the value of the car (especially the 6 cylinder),safety features, and interior make it a tough car to overlook.
  • jimxojimxo Member Posts: 423
    Anyone?
  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    Those magazine 0-60 times are also misleading because they rev the cars up and drop the clutch. Not something you're likely to do to your own car if you want it to last.
  • crv16crv16 Member Posts: 205
    Testers have one foot on the brake while giving it the gas -- then releasing the brake pedal. (I forget -- is that called a "brake stand"???)

    I'm guessing that only Consumer Reports does _not_ do it that way, since their 0-60 times are always significantly slower than the car mags. I guess their times are more "real world" than the car mags.
  • prophet2prophet2 Member Posts: 372
    It's probably more than a VAST majority of potential owners opting for automatic transmissions in their sedans. Honda is NOT going to produce a vehicle with extremely limited demand, despite the postings here of the few interested consumers. It wouldn't make economic sense. They'd rather lose those few sales to the competition.

    Remember the introduction of the 1986 Acura Legend? They initially offered 5-speed sticks, but after a few years, buyers resisted them, even in the coupes, until ATs became the only choice.
    I bought an '86 sedan with the stick and went on the list for the '87 coupe, waiting in vain for two months before "caving in" and taking an automaticin July '87. The dealership's FIRST stick coupe didn't show up until EIGHT months later in March '88. Stick shift sedans wallowed on the lot for months as "AGED" units, over a year in some cases.

    I also recall when one of the "selling" points for the BMW 7 series was that a stick was offered whereas the comparable Mercedes only had AT. The problem was that it didn't "sell" in sufficient numbers to justify its continuation.
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    Brake stand = Brake-torquing.
  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    were even hard to find with our '01 EX sedan. We were in a bit of a pinch to buy a car because my wife's car had been totalled. The dealer we bought from had two, silver and black, and another had one. Outside of these three, there were three others witin the adjacent four states. We were debating black or silver when the black one sold. So, we got silver.
  • bowkebowke Member Posts: 169
    pricing isnt set yet, im expecting to see it within about a week or so, as we've already got the color and trim list. any questions about that, please ask.

    as for a manumatic...
    remember, folks, we're dealing with a honda accord, and not a ferarri maranello...lol.
    to keep the accord in-line with competitive pricing, thats just not a feasible option.

    you want a manual gearbox or some sort of manumatic in your accord v6 sedan? save your pennies and go to an auto customizing shop...just wait till your new car warranty is up though...lol.
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    are not that exotic anymore. Hell, even Hyundai has them.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    Well I know Hyundai has it in its Santa Fe SUV, and quite frankly, it doesn't help much (I still like the attractive styling and price though). Test drove it while shopping for a mini ute. I found the RAV4's power to weight ratio more beneficial to it than some fancy schmany manumatic that did very little to boost performance.

    So I don't think something is less exotic just because a brand like Hyundai offers it, especially if Hyundai's version doesn't work too well.
  • regfootballregfootball Member Posts: 2,166
    the point with a manual is not so much 0-60 but the fact you can pick whatever gear YOU want and have more control instead of letting the slushbox pick for you.

    And manumatics ARE NOT the same.
  • bowkebowke Member Posts: 169
    hyundai uses a manumatic to give the ILLUSION of luxury...the XG was the 1st that they used it in...however...the average manumatic adds anywhere from $1000-$2500 throughout the industry, and as competitive as honda has to be with pricing, its just not in the cards.
  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    from USA Today. You need realone player to see it. You can go to www.real.com and click on "download free player". Be sure to install only the basic player, otherwise they want you to give a credit card for a "free" 14-day trial.


    http://www.geocities.com/ilr418/ix9rj1pf.ram

    Charlie Baker looks like Frankenstien standing next to that coupe in the video. Can you imagine him in Japan?

  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    I can't ickes, the link doesn't even work.
  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message%5fid=32428&news%5fitem%5fid=26225

    You have to cut and paste the link and then the realone player just starts up.
  • bthomassenbthomassen Member Posts: 19
    Does anyone know where I can find out for how much longer this calendar year will dealerships be able to order and sell 2002 Accord SE's? I want to make sure I can snag one with these excellent deals they are offering, before they stop shipping to dealers.
  • bartalk2bartalk2 Member Posts: 326
    Honda has begun production of the '03s, I believe, due in dealerships--what is it--Sept 7 or 8?. You can buy the '02s...until dealers run out, I imagine.
  • bowkebowke Member Posts: 169
    the production has stopped on all '02 accords now. my store has about 9 SE's left...all black...lol. no more coming...

    the only '02's that haven't arrived are silver LX 4-door autos from mexico...thats all they produce there.

    jump on 1 as fast as you can if you want one...also, the longer you wait, the less there will be available, and the less a dealer that has a 1-of-a-kind SE will be willing to deal.

    there are 3 honda dealers in my area, and the other 2 have a total of 3 accords...all 5-speed EX's. i have already seen management in my store hold a little bit more for each accord(since the buyer can not shop the same car), so jump now, my friend...pull the trigger, grab it, or whatever phrase catches your attention...lol.

    there is only 2 1/2 weeks left with '02 accords, so the time is now.
  • toyotaboyesl1toyotaboyesl1 Member Posts: 38
    I am new to this board, I have always loved the Accord. I have a good idea for the new 2003 Honda Accord that would probably sell the crap out of it. The Accord convertable! Wouldn't that be cool?
    Now that Toyota has the coupe version of the Camry (Solara) going with both a hardtop and convertable. Honda should try to do the same because I think the Accord would make a really cool convertable.
  • jfigueroa1jfigueroa1 Member Posts: 209
    Going to the honda dealer to check out the accord 2002 lx they are offering it to me for $16,500.
    is that a good $$$ please reply with notes.
  • toyotaboyesl1toyotaboyesl1 Member Posts: 38
    That is a pretty good price. What types of features does it have on it? CD player, leather seats, and automatic or manuel transmission? Let us know that type of stuff, that would be more helpful. I am actually not sure if you can get leather seats in an LX (it might just be EX). So don't just listen to me, listen to everybody else because they probably know more about it than me.
  • jfigueroa1jfigueroa1 Member Posts: 209
    The accord is a lx with all the dealer add on like (is not that i would pay for )
    paint sealant
    stripes
    scotch guard
    side molding
    you know the regular crap.
    plus they would give me a $200 gas credit card
    free wash/carpets
    Greeting from sunny Miami
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