Older Honda Accords

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    If the sky is falling.

    I've never seen a Mexico built Honda. I think most of them go to California.

    Rest assured, Honda isn't about to compromise their hard earned reputation by building an inferior product.

    I'm sure the assembly is as state of the art as their other plants.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    The Buick Rendezvous is a Mexican made vehicle and it had very good build quality. VW also does it's cars down there and they too are very well built. Don't worry, enjoy your car.
  • ghomazghomaz Member Posts: 68
    I'm sure Honda would not compromise quality wherever it is built. As a matter of fact, I recently drove (in New Delhi, India) an Accord built in India and it seemed no different than the ones in the US. Just out of curiosity, what letter/number does your VIN begin with?
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    I don't know about that one. Ever read some of the Jetta forums?
  • bartalk2bartalk2 Member Posts: 326
    I'm glad you're having such a great year, but 6% of the labor force (approx) is out of work and millions more on part-time. So things aren't great for everyone. The auto industry is an exception (most of it), but be glad you're not a Buick salesman, or Mercury, or Lincoln, or, especially Oldsmobile.
  • amazing2uamazing2u Member Posts: 67
    Yup,

    XM radio as an option... but only in the US. :(
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    Do you have XM coverage up in the north?
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    You can get it fine in the southern parts (when 90% of Canadians live anyway), but they don't have the ground equipment so you may get some fading in the cities ect.
  • timadamstimadams Member Posts: 294
    >>Do you have XM coverage up in the north? <<

    Shouldn't that be the great white north, eh?
  • amazing2uamazing2u Member Posts: 67
    80 deg.
    Duh, nothing white over here! :)
  • marylandpetermarylandpeter Member Posts: 11
    Thanks for offering comfort on my Mexico made Accord. I still say that two products built in two different locations will not come out the same in terms of quality. Volkswagons have been known to have quality problems, although it is unclear whether it is because of manufacturing or design. Also, I've heard US built '02 Camrys have more squeaks and rattles than the Japanese built Camrys. It would be an interesting study to try to relate quality problems on the same cars manufactured in different locations and see if there's any correlation.

    BTW, the first digit on my Accord VIN is 3.
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Personally, I think it does not make any sense to "assume" that because a vehicle was built in a certain location, it is therefore either superior or inferior to vehicles built in some other location.

    Those kinds of comments are over-generalizations at best and nationality/ethnic slurs at worst.

    But if anyone feels a need to pursue such a conversation, this is the wrong place. Those kinds of comments are opinions that belong (if they are even appropriate) in relevant discussions - of which there are many - on our News & Views Board.

    So let's move on.

    Thanks.

    Pat
    Sedans Host
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Why not??

    ;-)

    Let's not talk about the snow. Summer is almost over. Ack!!!
  • ecarmackecarmack Member Posts: 161
    The October Car & Driver has a positive write-up on the EX V-6. At 7.0 seconds, it is .3 second faster to 60 than the Altima, with no torque steer and better gas mileage. As far as handling is concerned, the 2003 is better than the 2002 Accord, with the exception of understeer. There were also positive comments on the new transmission.

    As usual for Honda, stopping distance at 209 ft from 70 mph was horrible. All of the competition stopped about 20 feet shorter from 70 mph. Pedal feel was complimented, but can't Honda learn how to stop its cars in a reasonable distance?

    They thought both the exterior and interior design were pretty generic, although the materials used were "superb."

    The sound level at full-throttle acceleration was 70 dBA, and at 70 mph cruising it was 69 dBA. The review said wind noise was barely noticeable. The full-throttle number is amazing. Look at these numbers from the same issue for the near-luxury comparison test:

    _____________Full-Throttle___________Cruising
    3.2TL____________74________________68
    A4 3.0____________79________________69
    330i_____________73________________69
    G35 _____________80________________70
    C320____________71________________66
    Passat W-8________72________________67

    It looks like Honda has conquered the noise issue. Now maybe it can focus on the brakes.
  • bowkebowke Member Posts: 169
    how do they get 7 seconds??? motor trand and edmunds both got 6.57 seconds 0-60 in the sedan, and expect sub-6 secs on the 6 speed coupe. maybe "car and driver" should just be "car and granny" the current accord does 7.5 secs according to automobile...maybe car and driver should hire new drivers that dont use walkers outside the cars they test.
  • jjpcatjjpcat Member Posts: 124
    Thanks for posting the data from C&D. People didn't complain about Honda's engine noise (the main noice source during full-throttle), but they complained about its road noise, especially when it's running over rough pavement.

    There must be something wrong with C&D test this time. Honda's brake has always been one of the worst/weakest among its competitors. But a 209ft braking performance with 4-wheel disc brake is hard to imagine. C&D previous braking distance for Accord was usually around 195-200ft for models with rear drum, or 180+ ft for 4-wheel disc models.
  • bartalk2bartalk2 Member Posts: 326
    I believe noise comparisons between cars tested by Car & Driver have to be taken skeptically. Some time ago they ran an article about how they test cars, and I seem to recall that they said that cars are not all noise-tested on the same road surfaces, so one car that registers quieter than another may be partly a result of where it was tested. If I remember correctly this means that the new Accord is not necessarily quieter than some of the cars above.

    Thus the advantage of Consumer Reports tests which are all standardized.

    Besides the cars listed above, I'd like to see the noise figures for Toyota and Lexus, among the quietest in their class.
  • bartalk2bartalk2 Member Posts: 326
    Car & Driver must have had a car with unusually bad brakes. In Motor Trends' test of the new Accord V6, stopping distance was something like 126ft. from 60mph, average or above average.
  • ecarmackecarmack Member Posts: 161
    Who knows about the differences in the 0-60 times. It could be attributed to a number of things (how broken in the car was, the driver, location, weather, etc.). But that is a big difference from the other two times. Although, very few Accord shoppers (sedan anyway) will care if it is 6.5 or 7.

    There was one caveat to the increased stopping distance and understeer, the car had Michelin tires, whereas the last V-6 tested had Bridgestones. I would hate to see the distance if the car did not have the larger rotors.

    One other thing on the suspension, the car was said to be more stable at the extremes, but was not as compliant over rough streets, and bumps and potholes were felt with "European" firmness. "BMW" firm was also mentioned in the sidebar.

    Yes, I agree that road noise was the main culprit in the past, and it was not specifically mentioned. Honda usually goes with tires that provide higher gas mileage, but the MXV4s are noisier than other tires I have tried. However, other makes use the MXV4s without as much road noise. As far as some Toyota/Lexus numbers, the latest ES300 came in at 69 dBA at full-throttle and 66 dBA cruising.

    I can't wait to try everything myself, including the new seats that were not mentioned, and come to my own conclusions.
  • bowkebowke Member Posts: 169
    probably the worst review ive seen yet on the new accord came from the new automobile magazine. "Top 50 new models". the review was less than stellar, but still good...automobile magazine is notorious for being a euro/american loving mag, so their review of the accord, IMO is about as good as it gets!
  • jane850jane850 Member Posts: 3
    We just bought a 02 Accord EX in black. The dealer recommended a Max6 protective finish that would protect against car wash marks and keep the glossy finish. Also in the price included leather protector and carpet protector. Normally I wouldn't even consider it, but I would like to keep the paint nice. I expect to normally take it through a car wash and not wash by hand. Is this product just another dealer money maker, or is this worth the - gulp- $599.00 price?

    Thanks,
    Jane
  • cds12cds12 Member Posts: 139
    RIP OFF!!!!!!!

    DONT GO FOR IT!!!!!!
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Member Posts: 1,467
    Almost daily, I go by Vic Bailey Honda in Spartanburg, SC. I cannot wait to see the new Accord, especially the Accord coupe. Here is Spartanburg, the dealership is being rebuilt. A whole new Honda store should open arround Nov. of this year. I did notice that they are still getting 2002 models. Some of the cars on the lots still had tape and stickers on them. Wierd, IMO.
  • ajaymeajayme Member Posts: 74
    I you like that stuff, I've got a gadget that will triple your gas mileage! The point being- don't go for it!
  • jane850jane850 Member Posts: 3
    Got the message! Thanks.
  • bowkebowke Member Posts: 169
    the product they are trying to sell you is available at all honda dealers...honda actually supplies it...but...$599? nah...we sell it for $299, dealer cost is $214.50. its a good product, but you can still get it and not get your head ripped off...lol.
  • bartalk2bartalk2 Member Posts: 326
    Do you happen to know if the $250 dealer incentive on '02 Civics, set to expire on 9/3, will be extended? A friend of mine wants to buy a Civic this week.
  • bartalk2bartalk2 Member Posts: 326
    Braking distance for the '03 Accord, as measured by C&D, is not great (209ft or so). This is typical. When C&D tested the '02 Accord LX V-6 last December, stopping distance was comparable (about 203'). Acura is in the same league, with stopping distance for the TL also between 200-210'. Compare the '02 Camry V6 at 191, and the BMW330 in the 160s!

    On the other hand, Consumer Reports, which has high standards, rates the Accord's brakes as very good. So I guess while stopping distances are a bit long, control, fade and brake feel are good.
  • highlander7highlander7 Member Posts: 177
    You should consider using a good wax 4 times a year .... a minimum of twice a year. I usually do my cars each season and have never had a problem with paint failure.


    Even if you pay someone to apply the wax you will save alot of money over the dealer's Max6 ripoff. All they do to the carpet is spray on a Scotch Guard type product, then apply a leather conditioner to the seats. Leather should be done at least twice a year. Products from Meguiar's are excellent.


    Checkout the attached link. Good luck.


    http://list.miata.net/miata/1995-03/89.html&#00;

  • th83th83 Member Posts: 164
    Car and Driver has been making cars look bad lately. First, in December '01, they limped the '02 Accord V6 to 60 in 8.3 seconds which is ridiculously slower than the 7.4 Motor Trend recorded this past May. I know my EX V6 is at least in the sevens because it's a heck of a lot faster than an Altima 2.5S which, according to Edmunds, goes 0-60 in 8.7. Anyway, in the latest issue, they record a 7.6 second time for the TL Type-S! What are they smoking lately? That's the same number the Accord V6 got in their June '98 issue and nearly a second-and-a-half slower than their first test of the TL-S. Maybe they replaced the 0-60 test with the time it takes the editor to chug 0-60oz. of alcohol while driving the specific vehicle. Either that or they still do the same tests but only after the tester has consumed a bottle of Jack. Motor Trend must not have alcohol issues because their numbers are very consistent, with the '98-'02 Accord's 0-60 only varying by a few tenths between tests(7.4 twice, 7.6 once).

    Noise levels must vary greatly from test to test as well. For example: In this year's Ten Best, the quietest car tested was the TL Type-S which registered 62db at a 70mph cruise. In the latest C/D, it's 6db louder in the same exact test. Same with the '03 Accord. It's supposed to be quieter than the '02 yet it scored 69db@70mph cruise or 3db louder than the '02. I can agree that different road surfaces could be the explanation for the differences. I do find it hard to believe the '02 Accord is as quiet as the tests show. I own one and it makes some gawdawful wind noise on the highway.

    Man, it's hard to trust any test numbers anymore, especially those printed on the pages of Car and Driver. Sorry to ramble on so much but I had to get all of that off my chest.
  • azstanazstan Member Posts: 74
    This is the type of information that I look for when I log on here.

    Thanks...and keep on rambling.
  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    of the European Accord (replace the "H" with an "A" and you have the TSX):


    http://community.webshots.com/album/44660418kfmeCu


    I'm surprised that the dash board is the same as the NA Accord. Would have figured the Euro Accord to be much narrower. Good sign for shoulder room. I wonder about rear leg room and trunk space however...

  • waydewayde Member Posts: 198
    When is Honda going to release?? The on sale date is less than a week away. Just curious....
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    We took our '02 Accord on its first road trip this long weekend. We found highway road and wind noise to be lower than anticipated but highway passing power (especially uphill) to be less than expected. The power is there but sometimes you have to bury the throttle and drop down a gear to get it.
  • godeacsgodeacs Member Posts: 481
    4 cylinder or V-6?....
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
  • bowkebowke Member Posts: 169
    sorry, but the V-6 only comes in LX or EX...SE's are only 4-cyl. autos.

    civic incentive remains indefinitely, but tell your friend to hurry, as inventory will be dwindling quickly on '02s. also, the $250 is only for a dealer that does more than 10% over their monthly average of total volume...with the accords running short, i wouldnt expect many dealers to get it. mine didnt last month, and we dont expect to this month either...usually 300-325 new cars on average, we did 277 last month...the difference is the shortage of accords...down from average of 125 to 81 last month.

    volume drops should be relatively universal, unless a dealer stockpiled '02 accords, which would be completely STUPID!!! lol
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    If you look at the Canadian flag next to his name, you'd realize that an SE Accord in Canada does come with a V-6.

    He has no reason to lie about it.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Member Posts: 1,467
    I thought you were a Honda salesperson? Shouldn't you be informed enough to know that the Accord SE is available in Canada with a V6 engine? :) Just joking with ya!
  • yrmacyrmac Member Posts: 134
    Yes.. we do have a SE V6 here in Canada. Comes in with everything except leather, power passenger seats, and Homelink. But everthing else is like an EX. Good value for $28,300 MSRP with a 5 year 60,000 miles powertrain warranty (hehehe).
    Also for your info., since you are in sales, we also have an Acura model here that is not available in the States. It's called a 1.7EL, a souped up leather-clad Honda Civic.
  • whothemanwhotheman Member Posts: 169
    Easily breaking the 1991 record of 44k!

    Is it safe to say people saw the 2003 model, and went running and screaming to their Honda dealer for a 2002?

    I think so.

    whotheman
  • maple49maple49 Member Posts: 66
    Honda owners are so smart they realized what an incredible bargain they could get on the award winning current model :)
  • twinpowertwinpower Member Posts: 8
    It's tough to pass up a buying a new 2002 Accord that is cheaper than most of the 2000/2001 used ones on the market... I bought a 5sp EX.
  • daveghhdaveghh Member Posts: 495
    Does anyone know where you can find the list of decibel levels for all makes of cars? Thanks...
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    I would think such a list (at least a meaningful one) would be difficult to compile since db readings depend on too many variables including type of road surface, condition of road, wind velocity, etc.
  • benbessbenbess Member Posts: 5
    People (including me) bought the 02 Accord because they (both Honda and the dealers) were giving them away at cost. The 03s will be hot sellers too, but will at first go to people loaded with bucks rather than the budget minded.
  • bowkebowke Member Posts: 169
    on the '03 accord redesign thread...it addresses the issue of '02/'03 decisions.

    sorry about my ignorance of canadian products...thought honda was the same throughout N.A. my mistake.
  • wolverine_xwolverine_x Member Posts: 54
    judgment day is getting nearer by the minute. I am getting excited what could be the verdict on the new accord when they are already in the road and on display in dealerships.

    I wonder if it does turn out to be a major improvement from the current, will there still be bashing from the altima camp especially the 6 camp? or will they concede that the accord indeed is really hard to beat.

    For those who have seen it and drove it, kindly be nice enough to share us your thoughts. nice or otherwise.
  • trinbagotrinbago Member Posts: 6
    go to hondanews.com
  • bowkebowke Member Posts: 169
    ...not only will i be at the ride & drive monday, but tuesday, i get a new accord ex as a demo!!! i cant wait, as im in a '02 civic ex 2dr 5-speed...tired of shifting gears...lol.

    im sure you guys dont doubt the fact that ill be on here as soon as i retrurn monday...should be around 7 or 8 pm. talk to you then!
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