Older Honda Accords

1153154156158159389

Comments

  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    The Camry had slightly wider tires at 215/60/16 while the Accord had 205/60/16. That and the Accord uses MXV4's which are more of a long-wear tire not especially known for their cornering ability. The Camry uses Bridgestone Potenzas.
  • vonlinzvonlinz Member Posts: 12
    Just a note on the Rattles and MPG discussion. I just bought an Accord EX Manual (in Graphite Pearl). I have just over 700 miles on the car and my first tank went just under 30 MPG on a mostly long distance daily commute. I've been driving very conservatively and am hoping for 34 MPG by 2500 miles and warmer weather. (I live in Michigan.) I also have the driver's door rattle but haven't figured out what's causing it. And also my "AC" button rattles when going over rough or bumpy roads. The button is functional but loose. One final issue for the Honda dealer ... the rear seat driver's side headrest will not raise (or lower). Overall, however, I really like this Accord ... large buttons/knobs, styling, power, handling and all. Honda's really done a nice job.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    May be they were running the Camry in a straight line, and it ended up going around the cones. ;-)
  • crv16crv16 Member Posts: 205
    What was the 0-60 time for the Accord EX-L 5 speed?

    Also - it's a testament to Honda's goodness that a 4 cyl Accord is rated higher than the Altima 6 Cyl!
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    I'm glad I waited and didn't give in for the cloth.
  • pj23pj23 Member Posts: 158
    We all need to wander over to the Mazda 6 vs. Honda Accord forum and see what excuses the Mazda-philes are giving.
  • bigzheng17bigzheng17 Member Posts: 81
    Thanks! Just one question for now, where are all the car washes? my car is covered with dirt and whatever they put on snow, but I seems can't find a car wash.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    pj23 - They're very obstinate. They rave reviews and comparisons where the Mazda6 wins, but show them these two where the Accord wins and they'll either ignore it or just make up the dumbest excuses. That's why I stopped wasting my time there.
  • bowke28bowke28 Member Posts: 2,185
    something about honda paying off the reviewers, or the whole world being brainwashed by honda, or some silly stuff like that.
  • silvercrownsilvercrown Member Posts: 237
    they sure know how to promote goodwill with potential customers. Yesterday, I received four tickets to the Detroit Auto Show which starts this weekend. All I did was request an 03 Accord brochure through their website. Has anyone else received such an offer?

    First, they sent a nice letter about the tickets. When I called, they told me that they ran out but would put me on the waiting list. A week or so later, the tickets simply arrived in the mail!!

    What a great way to promote their products and enhance their image to a certain extent. Free passes to the Auto Show is pretty awesome. All I did was express an interest in knowing more about the car.

    I think it's very impressive that the new Accord is winning such rave reviews among auto journalists and consumers alike and even coming out on top in several comparisons.

    I'm curious to get a closer look and perhaps even test drive one to see what the fuss is all about. If it's that great, I may consider trading my Camry in earlier than I had planned. :-) I just wish I liked the new styling of the Accord better, it hasn't grown on me yet. Maybe it never will, but it sounds like a great car in all other respects.

    I have always admired the Accord as well as the Camry since the late 80s. When I bought my Camry, I almost bought an Accord, in fact it was actually my first choice. But the steering wheel was too low for the seating position that I needed, and I didn't think I would be comfortable in the long run, so I bought the Camry.

    I feel that Honda and Toyota make some of the most reliable, refined and high quality cars in the market today IMHO. I like my Camry and I think very highly of Toyota, but I'm also glad to see that the Accord is doing so well.

    Just my 2 cents.
  • bowke28bowke28 Member Posts: 2,185
    you'll care alot less about the appearance. i sell hondas, and almost every customer looks at it for the same reason as you...heard so much about it, dont care for the looks, but once they drive it, the looks become much more appealing. one lady actually said that the mere thought of the drive made the exterior more attractive.
  • silvercrownsilvercrown Member Posts: 237
    I hadn't considered that the total "goodness" of the combined features might not only outweigh the styling aspects, but may even enhance the perspective and overturn the initial opinion.

    But when I think about it, that same phenomenon came into play when I bought my Camry in 1999. It isn't the "snazziest" looking car around, but there was so much else to like about it compared to what was available at that time, it got my vote. I bought it for reasons other than styling, and for my money, it was the best vehicle for me at the time, with the Accord as a close second. They were both elegant, classy looking cars, if not "super sharp looking" IMHO. Styling is just so relative to the individual, it's all personal preference.

    However, there's a lot more competition in the midszie segment now than there was back in '99. Neither Mazda nor Nissan were even on my radar screen back then, but now they have some good looking cars in the 6 and the Altima respectively. There's also the VW Passat, but reliability would be a concern to me as well as maintenance/repair costs.

    Since I put styling secondary in my last car buying decision, I guess I'd like my next car to be more visually appealing stylewise (to my eyes, anyway). So the 6 and the Altima catch my attention, but I don't know how they stack up in other areas compared to the Accord or the Camry. FWIW, I don't care for the styling of the new Camry either. Between the two, however, I think the new Accord is better looking. JMHO

    When I do take an Accord test drive, I'll post my experiences/feedback here. I'll probably wait until the weather improves though, maybe in the spring. Then I can see if the sum goodness outweighs the styling issue.
  • pda97pda97 Member Posts: 91
    There are less than a handful of public car washes in Montreal. Why would you want to wash your car in the winter ? It will get dirty again as soon as you take it out. Road salt is used a lot to keep the roads clear of ice and snow. If bare metal is exposed to salt, it will rust eventually. The higher the temperature, the more "active" the salt becomes. Therefore, you would want your car to remain "frozen" if it's parked outside. If you park in a heated garage, make sure you hose it off thoroughly every night before going to bed.

    Next October (late fall), take your car to get a Rust Check before the onset of winter. This is an operation where they spray your car inside out with a special oil to protect it from the salt. It's a messy deal.

    I can tell you more. But we may be using this forum's server space illegally here. So let me know your email address (or I can tell you mine) and we can continue, if you want.
  • bigzheng17bigzheng17 Member Posts: 81
    That's some very useful information, I didn't know about those rust check before now.

    My email address is jie_zheng@excite.com, could use my McGill address, but it's not working yet :(.
  • jud95accordjud95accord Member Posts: 58
    I have had my 03 V6 sedan since September. I have a noise similar to your #2 (a slight noise coming from the driver's window at 50+ mph). I also have one other thing - when I make right turns, I can feel something rolling underneath my seat - like a small rubber ball. I never hear it, I just can sense it. I haven't taken it to the dealer yet for this problem. Other than those two things, I love the car! I have the silver color and it is easy to keep clean so far. The heated seats are great - even down here in Houston.
  • yankeryanker Member Posts: 156
    After driving both Honda Accord Ex 4 and A Camry XLE 4 I found the Honda noisy and the Camry also almost as loud as my 96 with 90000 miles. I will give the Honda another chance asI cannot stand the gray seat covers in the Camry especially after six years in a mouse gray Camry LE. What happened to the old combo's like dark blue tan etc. Performance wise the Honda is a real performer
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    Surprised at the Camry comment. Those things are supposed to be like Buicks.
  • atlantabennyatlantabenny Member Posts: 735
    hi, the service advisor just called and said they're done with my car.

    about the driver's window noise, it was explained as a result of the car's aerodynamics and that they can't do anything about it.

    there've been a couple of posts about this problem, suggesting that it's a design defect.

    i'm somewhat handy with cars, so i'll try some solutions and post my findings. my first stab would be at the weatherstrip vent holes. i've jiggled the grabhandle and don't think it's the source.

    about the "phantom ball," it'll be an "a-ha" when that's solved. can't imagine what could be causing it.
  • sinjin_dogsinjin_dog Member Posts: 84
    Had LX 5 speed for 10 days. Very nice.
    Before I bought it, test drove Camry SE 5 speed and Altima 2.5S 5 speed as well. Camry 4 cylinder sounded louder than my wife's 2000 Camry but it was quieter than Accord. Accord still "pings" at high speed but much quieter than 96 we used to have. Altima was nice looking but besides the interior, the ride was a bit buzzy in high speed.
    I did not get to drive Mazda6, we like the looks however, it is only model that does not have "bloated" look.
    Overall, no major complain, wish the shifr knob was a little larger. Also, the car key is much too big, it is not comfortable to have a such big key in my pocket.
  • picenopiceno Member Posts: 55
    Whatever you do, don't buy TOYO G-02 Plus Observe WINTER tires for a 2000 Honda Accord EX-V6 !!

    I purchased 4 of them in late October, 2002 in
    Montreal, Canada. They are terrible!! For 2 months I had constant steering wheel vibration at speeds greater than 50 MPH....very irritating and frustating to say the least. I tried everything: re-balancing the wheels three times, confirming the the brand new 15 inch steel rims (which I bought at the same time time as the tires) were
    not uneven or imperfect. Nothing worked.

    Eventually the dealer concluded that the at least 2 of the TOYO tires were defective, and causing the steering wheel vibration.

    I got a FUll reimboursement on the 4 tires.

    Also, one more thing, I drove the TOYO tires thru
    3 winter storms, and their traction HAS A LOT TO BE DESIRED! I was slipping ALL over the place...
    So much for Internet opinions on these tires!

    I do NOT recommend these tires to anyone.....

    Piceno


    i I
  • picenopiceno Member Posts: 55
    Whatever you do, don't buy TOYO G-02 Plus Observe WINTER tires for a 2000 Honda Accord EX-V6 !!

    I purchased 4 of them in late October, 2002 in
    Montreal, Canada. They are terrible!! For 2 months I had constant steering wheel vibration at speeds greater than 50 MPH....very irritating and frustating to say the least. I tried everything: re-balancing the wheels three times, confirming the the brand new 15 inch steel rims (which I bought at the same time time as the tires) were
    not uneven or imperfect. Nothing worked.

    Eventually the dealer concluded that the at least 2 of the TOYO tires were defective, and causing the steering wheel vibration.

    I got a FUll reimboursement on the 4 tires.

    Also, one more thing, I drove the TOYO tires thru
    3 winter storms, and their traction HAS A LOT TO BE DESIRED! I was slipping ALL over the place...
    So much for Internet opinions on these tires!

    I do NOT recommend these tires to anyone.....

    Piceno


    i I
  • black03exv6black03exv6 Member Posts: 1
    As a former Ford owner, I am thrilled to own a Honda. I had a '95 Contour with pleather seats and replaced the engine & tranny at 90k. The car was absolutely horrible and had nothing but problems. I decided to buy an '03 accord exV6 on Oct 1 instead of a $30k Camry XLEV6 and here are a few of my comments/observations on the accord:

    Pros: 1. Engine power/smoothness 2. Seating position & comfort (leather quality of $30-35k range vehicles) 3. Gas mileage (average 28-30mpg mostly highway) 4. Excellent stereo for standard package (non-Bose) 5. Excellent Price (paid $24,750 plus tax - price was difficult to negotiate since inventories were low at the time)6. Honda sales teams are top notch (no sales tricks)7. Excellent in snow (Pennsylvania)8.Honda residual value (People get $7500 for '94 with over 100k miles)

    Cons: 1. Harsh ride on highways (feel every bump) 2.No heated mirrors 3. V6 wheels look cheap, 4cyl EX ones are nicer) 3. Outside Temperature gage should be separate from odometer 4. Black leather not available like Acura TL

    Otherwise I am extremely happy with the car and would recommend it. I looked at Camry (too expensive), Acura TL (outdated body style), and Nissan Altima (quality appeared questionable, also $30k fully loaded) and the Honda won hands down. I received about 5 follow up phone calls from both Honda and the dealer after purchase. They wanted to know if there were any problems with the vehicle.

    Also, my Accord had a noise above the drivers door also. The dealer replaced the headliner because there was an ink mark on it from the factory and the noise went away.

    As far as styling is concerned, it grows on you. I did not like it in photos but it looks sweet in person. Once you drive it, especially the V6, it's sold.
  • dodgerfandodgerfan Member Posts: 8
    Sorry to take so long to respond.

    The dealership was very vague about the problem. They indicated that technicians from Honda fixed the problem, not the dealership mechanics.

    They said something was loose under the headliner and that it was fixed.

    That problem is fixed. There are other minor rattles left.

    On 3 occasions my key became stuck in the ignition when I was trying to leave the car. Pushing, pulling, turning, etc. didn't work. I was forced to leave the key in the car (I carry 2 keys) and after restarting and driving to my next destination, the key came out like normal (with a slight push).

    Has anyone else experienced this?
  • dodgerfandodgerfan Member Posts: 8
    In the process of fixing the rattle in my car, the dealer/Honda blew the fuse for the interior and trunk lights.

    Does that make sense to anybody? Does anybody else have fuse blowing problems with their 2003 Accords?
  • pj23pj23 Member Posts: 158
    I've not experienced any blown fuses or keys getting stuck.

    With the key - was the wheel turned left or right? Sometimes when there is tension on the wheel locking mechanism, it is difficult to turn the key to start it. This may be the same problem.
  • teenboy13teenboy13 Member Posts: 17
    7.5 seconds was the February C&D time
  • dodgerfandodgerfan Member Posts: 8
    pj23,

    Thanks for the response. It's possible the wheel was turned too far, though I did attempt to turn the wheel in all 3 cases. One time was in a mall parking lot but the other 2 were in street parking situations.
  • chiggaraccord4chiggaraccord4 Member Posts: 14
    Don't know if I will help, but tried to turn the steering wheel to the left and right for a few times.

    chiggaraccord4
  • own4hown4h Member Posts: 20
    I just replaced my 1998 Accord EX V6 with a 03 Accord sedan EX-L manual 5-speed and immediately took it on a 4,000+ mile trip. Here are my observations and ratings
    1) Initial fit and finish Well engineered and built, so many improvements on what was an excellent car to begin with (unlike Altima), great finish Con 1 small rattle Rank 9 out of 10
    2) Interior Wow, the leather seats are comfortable on those 900 mile runs, leather seams plusher, better interior door panels, better center arm rest. Way better stereo, 6 cd changer great, stereo display, dash lighting superior (white lighting no eye strain), wheel controls improved Alum panels better than fake wood Con Car mats seem cheaper Rate 9.
    3) Drivetrain - Gearbox tight and precise, good spacing, great clutch feel Engine was tight during break-in, after 1200 slowly raised revs, at 5,000 shows plenty of power, no problem cruising @ 80, passing or uphill through mountain passes did 900 winter road miles in 12 hours, only passed 2 on the 1700 miles back, I can't believe this engine only has 160HP because matched my 98 V6 auto except on top end Rate 9.
    4) Handling/Roadnoise/MPG Handling good at low speed, but took some getting used to at higher speeds through mountain curves, better with cruise off powering thru curves, very good on dry and wet roads, good for snow but somewhat twitchy on high cross winds and on rutted ice (but with 5 adults and their luggage to boot, so fully loaded) Roadnoise and ride much improved, more like TL than 98. MPG 28 to 30 highway even at 80+. Rate 8
    5) Family utility Bigger interior, way comfortable seats front and back, decent sized trunk, good access, wide rear door access, great heater, loved dual air for driving, Rate 9
    6) Styling/Value I wasn't impressed with pictures, was so so on first look, liked more after first drive, and have grown to appreciate the styling on the sedan and love the coupe, I find styling based on trends and fashion appeals to some initially, but looks bad in time. I'm already tired of the Altima and G35 rear lights, the Eclispe and Camry indents, etc so they will be dated in a few years. IMHO, the Accord is different enough and yet familar, functional yet graceful, simple yet appealling Stying 7.5. Value, all this improvement for same cost as before, plus great fuel efficiency for regular gas and I believe the quality of product is still there. Value = 9
    Does the new Accord apeal to everyone? No. It is not a sportcar nor will it draw crowds or become the envy of your rich relatives. But to me its the best Accord ever engineered, and I fully suspect it will hold up as well as the 7 Hondas I owned before. If I'm this impressed in 3 years as I am today, Honda has done its job.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    I saw an 03 Accord sedan parked next to a 92-93 Accord and was able to see the evolution. The new Accord is just a modernized version of it or the 98 .. however you want to look at it. It may not be a trend-setter but the last thing we need is more altezza lights. It will still look good 10 years from now and people won't go "what the heck were they thinking back in 03" like they will with some other cars.
  • atlantabennyatlantabenny Member Posts: 735
    did you notice how low and lean the 90 gen accord is ? and even if it's grown, the genes are still there as you mentioned.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    the 90-93 generation is one of my favorites. Especially in 92-93 when they changed the tail lights. I would have no problems driving a 92-93 Accord EX 5-speed.
  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    Bummer about your Contour. I've got a '95 Contour myself (I4-5spd.) with 201,000 miles. I've never had any thing major go wrong with the car and its still even on its origninal clutch.

    That said, my next car is an Accord. We've already got an '01 and I'm anxious to add this 7th generation to our garage. The Contour is a piece of recycled garbage next to our Accord, unrefined and poorly assembled. When we got the Accord, the Contour was our "big" car. Comparing the Accord and Contour really shows how poorly designed the passenger compartment of the Ford was.

    Good luck with your car...
  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    I thought the sharper lines of the first 1/2 of that generation were more consistent with the overall design than the 92-93 model. The other generation I always liked was the 1986-1989 two-door hatch.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    Loved those LX-i hatchbacks but no sunroof :(. Probably would've had one by now if they had one. The 92-95 Vigors were lookers too .. just a little too quirky for the maintstream.
  • wvelezwvelez Member Posts: 16
    Does anyone know for sure if the 03 crash tests, particularly the side-impact, were done on Accords with the side-curtain airbags?

    If so, does anyone know if there are separate tests for side impact on Accords without these side-curtains?
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    I don't think the Accord has been tested yet. I'd be surprised if it didn't do well.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    asafonov - If it's between the LX, SE and VP, I would try to find an SE (special edition) or VP (value package) model. Those models were introduced later in the last gen. Accord's life cycle to continue customer interest - they basically have more standard features than the LX while costing the same or just a little more.
  • 18fan18fan Member Posts: 129
    I'm intrigued from your profile........ Did you go to school at Otterbein?
  • amingaming Member Posts: 119
    I don't know if the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety has done any tests on that yet but I read on another forum that an accord was T-boned and the car was written off. This guy said that his girlfriend was driving it and after the accident she wanted the Accord again and nothing else. They also had the side curtain air bags in their car. His girlfriend didn't even have a scratch on her. Made a believer out of me. Just wish that honda gave us that option (side curtain) here in Canada.
  • dsm6dsm6 Member Posts: 813
    best in class performance. Top rating in all offset crash measures.


    Go to http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ratings.htm

    NHTSA has yet to post test results for the car.

  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    This might be of interest:

     http://makeashorterlink.com/?G3C622A03


    It talks about Honda's crash testing facility and how the company wants to be the "Japanese Volvo."

  • ghostbuster23ghostbuster23 Member Posts: 43
    Hey, I saw an 03 at my apartment here in Montreal yesterday. I just moved here too... Welcome to Quebec!
  • seafseaf Member Posts: 339
    Thanks for the link to that NYtimes article, it scored a few more points for Honda in my decision to go with either a Mazda6 or Accord...will see how the Mazda6 crashes soon.
  • amingaming Member Posts: 119
    Here is a some more data in helping us buy a car.


    http://www.caa.ca/e/automotive/pdf/autopinion-02.pdf

  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    I know that it has been previously discussed, but I wanted to voice my opinion that the Accord is truly a fine piece of machinery that is deserving of its Ten Best designation and top finish in the recent comparo.

    That said, does anyone else think that the comparison tests that C&D runs are becoming more and more bizzare?. In the past, for family comparos, they realistically tested automatic trans. cars, within a certain price bracket, and with min interior volume constraints. This month's comparison spans nearly $7000 MSRP, the cars have a 100hp plus spread, some of the cars have ABS, two are automatic cars even though C&D eliminated the Mitsu Galant and Ford Taurus b/c they are auto only. What gives? Can we eliminate some variables, please?

    ~alpha
  • dsm6dsm6 Member Posts: 813
  • beach15beach15 Member Posts: 1,305
    Didn't you read the opening? They always give the manufacturers a fairly specific "want list". This time they asked for 5-speed sedans at or under a certain level, and that's what they got. Only the Hyundai and VW had an auto, which was the automakers' fault, but C&D acknowledged that fully. The difference in prices is quite clear in showing how much the MSRP's of competing vehicles vary. Either way, the Accord was still the best of the lot, and would have won anyway even if a few other cars had been thrown in--I guarantee it.
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    I read the opening, yes. That doesnt change the fact that in the past, for this segment, Car and Driver has more accurately represented the mainstream sedan by choosing auto-equipped cars with similar price tags and required ABS. Hyundai and VW couldnt provide manuals- so what? In that case, they should have been treated the same as the Galant and Taurus, which dont come in manuals, OR, the Galant and Taurus should have been included.

    I didnt argue that the Accord would not win if the playing field were level- I agree with you and your borderline arrogance. I'm just expressing my opinion that the trend in their comparison tests seems to be reducing constants. For example-I think its absurd that they used a notation to explain the Saturn's deplorable performance in the 70-0 test. And shouldnt ABS be standard in the 23K Altima? In the least they could have mentioned that the Accord provides ABS standard, yet another one of its virtues. Bottom line: A level playing field makes for a more useful comparison test, and usually an even more interesting one.
    ~alpha
  • richm4richm4 Member Posts: 169
    Does anyone have any recommendations for good reputable Honda dealers in the Chicago area (southwest part of the city or 'burbs preferred) ?

    Thanks.
Sign In or Register to comment.

Your Privacy

By accessing this website, you acknowledge that Edmunds and its third party business partners may use cookies, pixels, and similar technologies to collect information about you and your interactions with the website as described in our Privacy Statement, and you agree that your use of the website is subject to our Visitor Agreement.