Hyundai Sonata 2005 and earlier

1252628303158

Comments

  • csandstecsandste Member Posts: 1,866
    My comments about the 02's being more "corporate" was primarily because of the grill. Obviously the headlights are a great deal different and the sides are about the same. I park my Elantra next to a XG300 and am suprised by some of the similarities. Without direct comparison I wouldn't have thought they looked alike at all. The Elantra still has a bit too much Malibu (side) and Impala (lights) in it for my taste, but I find the details much better done than any Chevy.
  • fangio2fangio2 Member Posts: 214
    The Sonata and Optima share the same components and have the same great warranty.Why are there so few postings in the Optima topic?Is the Sonata out selling the Optima?I was by a KIA dealer last week and they had tons of SEPHIAS but no Optimas.Was there a limited number available or are the selling slow?
    Also why did the owners of 2001 Sonatas choose it over the Optima?
  • dougndodougndo Member Posts: 136
    fangio2, I can only answer your last question. I really don't know about the others.

    I did look at the Kia Optima and was aware of its shared heritage with the Sonata. There were several factors that moved me in the direction of the Sonata.

    1) Styling. I like the look of the 2001 Sonata much better than the Optima. The front and rear treatments are more original and appealing, and I like the alloy wheels on the GLS much better than the wheels on the SE. On the inside, the gauge layout on the Sonata is nicer. Like the 2002 Sonata the Optima has the much improved trunk (with struts) and the new center console, which I like except for the excessive fake wood.

    2) Price. To get an Optima similarly configured to my GLS Leather, I would have looked at an MSRP nearly $1700 more. (That includes the Shiftronic, not available on Sonata at the time.) None of the Kia dealers I visited wanted to move off MSRP, saying that the car I wanted was hard to find and in short supply. One dealer even had a mark up! Plus, the Sonata's 0.9% financing and $800 auto tranny rebate made it even more attractive.

    3) Dealer. Of three Kia dealerships I visited, all three experiences were unsatisfactory. Two dealers tried to turn me to more profitable brands, telling me not to buy a Kia at all! The third tried to act like it was selling a premium vehicle and had the arrogance and condescension that goes along with that. Of five Hyundai dealers I visited, I walked out of two due to incompetence: either gross ignorance or outright lies on their part, I'm not sure which. Two tried to turn me to other brands and talked down Hyundai. The fifth one treated both me and the cars with respect, and they were willing to deal.

    4) Affinity. This is hard to quantify, but I felt much more in tune with the Sonata. I felt like I belonged in it. I never felt this with the Optima, and not even with every Sonata I tested (like the 4 cyl or certain color combos). However, when I sat in and drove the Ebony Black/Beige GLS Leather with the moon roof, I knew it was the car. Of course, I didn't tell the salesperson or sales manager that until they came down $1500 and included remote keyless entry/alarm and spoiler for free.
  • sonatabeansonatabean Member Posts: 201
    Hi - I don't post much (mainly because I'm the quiet type), but I just test-drove the 2002 Sonata LX last week. We currently have two 2000 GLS w/ package 13 (mine is currently sporting 28,000 miles). I really like the 2000 Sonata . . . .

    BUT . . . .

    The 2002 handles more firmly and the interior ergonomics are more convenient. The 2002 seat cushion design fits the body better - and holds the driver in place better than the previous design. The V-6 has just enough more push to give the car a nimbler feel, too. The interior also seems to be "tighter" and some of the compartments are now lined (with what, I have no idea) to deal with that "rattle" problem I have seen other people address here.

    Overall, the '99 - '01 Sonata is *RELATED* to the new 2002, but there really are some rather specific, visible improvements on the '02.

    Oh - and the automatic climate control is *AWESOME,* if yer one of the gizmo-loving crowd. It works in a very "Cadillac" or "Lincoln" fashion (ie. fast, efficient, unobtrusive, easy-to-use).

    One of the biggest debates that seems to run here is the whole "quality" thing. On our 2000 Sonatas, the quality has really been superior - perhaps not quite Honda or Toyota (talkin' national averages here, not individual experience), but damn good. Far above our previous Chevrolets, without a doubt!

    These new '02s Sonatas, however, are very much Honda or Toyota quality. In all honesty, I feel they're better: the interior design seems to be much more user-friendly and sensible compared to Japanese cars. And the "tight" factor feels nearly "Volvo-Saab-Mercedes" in nature. I was really damn impressed.

    Without a doubt, I do have buyer's remorse. I very much like the 2002 Sonata as far as how the car "feels," drives, and behaves on the road. And, in the interest of being honest, I admit I have a bias to the Euro-Techno design cues, but I suppose I'm just weird that way (in other words, I like the new cosmetics *VERY* much).

    In a nutshell, y'all who liked the new Sonata from '99 - '01 will really like the '02 if ya drive it (even if ya don't like the looks). For non-Hyundai types, the '02 is likely what will change your mind. It's not a Benz, Volvo, Jag, or BMW . . . . Don't mistake what I state as claiming this car is a performance machine.

    It's not.

    It *IS* an incredibly competent family sedan with fine fit-and-finish common to much more expensive vehicles (at least the LX is: it's the only model I drove).

    Now, I'm gonna go make some extra money so I can trade up next year!

    Happy driving!

    Sonatabean
  • misterjohnnymisterjohnny Member Posts: 41
    I saw you are in the LA area. What dealers were bad and which one was good? And if you don't mind, what was your final price? Any special financing? Thanks.
  • csandstecsandste Member Posts: 1,866
    wheels and tires. Optima has 70x14 Korean tires rather than Michelins. I think these were identical with Sonata base tires in 2000--right?
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    The Optima just tries too hard to look upscale. I personally prefer the Sonata's look, as well.
  • dougndodougndo Member Posts: 136
    I live down in the Harbor Area of LA (San Pedro). I'll at least tell you where I bought my Sonata and where my girlfriend purchased her Tiburon. We went to Lamar Hyundai at the Cerritos Auto Center. It's off the 605, south of the 91 freeway. They had a wide selection, and their service department is clean and modern. I tried LA City Hyundai and Garden Grove Hyundai, but felt I was not fully welcome; perhaps there were language and culture differences. I'd avoid any Hyundai dealers in or near Long Beach, if you know what I mean.

    The list on my GLS Leather was around $20,500, including automatic, moonroof, mats, and mud flaps. I asked for spoiler, remote keyless entry/alarm, and etching, negotiated to $18,995, deducted the $800 auto tranny rebate and qualified for the 0.9% financing. I believe the rebate and 0.9% still apply to remaining 2001 models but not to the 2002s.
  • misterjohnnymisterjohnny Member Posts: 41
    I think I've decided on the '02 Sonata LX. I'm waiting for some rebate or financing deals on the '02. I was hoping that GM and their 0% financing would drive the whole industry that way, but so far they haven't.
  • tb88tb88 Member Posts: 242
    >>... I was hoping that GM and their 0% financing would drive the whole industry that way, but so far they haven't...<<<

    Because the big three and Cie are way overpriced.
    People try to shun them in difficult times...

    Hyundai gives you a $30,000 car for about $20,000 + the Warranty/Road service.
    I don't think they can afford to go much lower... without jeopardizing too much their bottom line!
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    0% APR for 36 months, but only to "qualified" buyers. Whatever the heck that means.
  • fangio2fangio2 Member Posts: 214
    and the main qualification is that you are breathing.
  • tb88tb88 Member Posts: 242
    >> 0% APR for 36 months, but only to "qualified" buyers. Whatever the heck that means >>

    Qualified means: to be acceptable to buy on credit after CREDIT REPORT CHECK!
    NOT TOO MUCH DEBTS or RISK!

    .
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    60? I checked GM's site, and I'm pretty sure I read 0% APR for ALL models for 36 months, while only some have 0% APR for 60 mos, and others have low percent APR.

    Believe it or not, when I graduated high school (and I had one of those student credit cards with $500 limit) I tried leasing a car- and I got denied! And I was breathing.
  • astrolastrol Member Posts: 312
    It looks like the '02 Sonata is a big hit. Sales for Sonatas took a 24% jump this past month, even with the Attack and only 24 selling days in September. Sales almost doubled from last September.


    Go here:

    http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=105&STORY=/www/story/10-02-2001/0001583627


    Depending on the last quarter, Hyundai has a legitimate shot at selling 350K cars in the US this year. It's been a long time coming.

  • csandstecsandste Member Posts: 1,866
    The new Sonata is most impressive from the rear at night. Those tail lights are awesome.

    As a happy Elantra owner I'm a bit perplexed by the new platform essentially breaking even with the last one. I believe it's a much better car. On the other hand I'm not totally convinced that the styling is better. Sort of like trading a Pontiac for a Malibu(side)/Impala (front). Also, the loss of the wagon, despite my love of hatchbacks.
  • intrepidspiritintrepidspirit Member Posts: 662
    Maybe it's because there was no station wagon in 2001. Reported sales for 2000 would include both sedan and station wagon models...
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    I have always been a fan of clear crystalline lights. I think Hyundai is really exploiting that to its advantage- it is superior in aesthetics when compared with the fogged type lights.
  • aniryuaniryu Member Posts: 61
    Aww. I wonder WHY THE HECK Hyundai decided not to include the wagon this year.

    Sedan, hatchback, and wagon. Hyundai would of been praised for it's long array of choices.
  • protectsecondprotectsecond Member Posts: 13
    Hyundai web site has posted the 2002 Sonata as well as some other models. Includes pictures. Not much on options.

    Go to: http://www.hyundaiusa.com/
  • aniryuaniryu Member Posts: 61
    We've seen those already!!!
  • astrolastrol Member Posts: 312
    Per your post in Owners Club, you can see the fog light installation laid out on Sonatafan's site at:

    http://www.geocities.com/sonatafan/index.htm

    Nick has a lot of interesting things there. I suggest you try Focus Hyundai in Canada for the fogs. The Hyundai owners parts site is:

    http://members.home.net/davefjeldsted/itmidx1.htm
  • deriksonderikson Member Posts: 2
    Was curious to know if Sonata has been improved since buying a '00 GLS model. I have had all manner of problems with the vehicle, ranging from security system failure, to electrical malfunctions. Engine is ok but is relatively sluggish in its class. Funky transmission as well.

    I will personally never buy another Korean car, not until they make vast improvements in quality and engineering.

    I just hope I can trade my car in without losing my shirt, which I seriously doubt. I guess the warranty is the only thing going for this car. Kinda sucks to have to take it in every other week for repair however.

    Well, hope others have better luck with their Sonata than I have.

    Cheers.
  • hdcsehdcse Member Posts: 19
    Can anyone explain why Hyundai requires a timing belt replacement at 60K miles? And why the California cars only require a timing belt inspection? The days of 60K timing belts ended many years ago. Has anyone had their belt replaced? What did it cost?
    To update my Sonata experience, my '01 V6 5 spd. has 8K miles and has not been to the dealer for any complaints, problems, or repairs. However, if I could get them to do it, I would have Hyundai replace every component in the suspension. They really missed the mark on bushing stiffness, spring rates, and alike. Too bad, for this is a very pleasant vehicle to drive. And it will cruise at 90+ in total silence. It is the quietest car I've owned. And it will get 28 mpg at these speeds, too. That's impressive! Too bad the V6-5 spd. combo is history. At least someone (Nissan) continues to offer family oriented vehicles with 6 cyls. and a clutch.
    Sorry to hear some of you have had poor luck with your Sonatas. Virtually nothing has gone wrong with mine. This must be purly a subjective thing. I have a friend who purchased a new Toyota Tercel a few years ago and had the engine management computer fail twice, leaving him stranded each time. Things happen. But one thing is for sure - Hyundai would be out of business if they offered a warranty as their current one on substandard, unreliable vehicles. My quess is their product is a good one. And they seem to get better with each effort. I keep cars for at least 10 years. I will update you periodically on the service of my '01 Sonata. But it's my quess that ownership of this car will be both pleasant and uneventfull for the long run. I feel good about this vehicle. And I do not question its quality.
  • dougndodougndo Member Posts: 136
    derikson, it's hard to say if quality has improved or not, but I haven't had any of the problems you cite. My 2001 GLS V-6 has about 6,000 miles on it now, so a lot could happen yet, but nothing so far. It's been reliable, comfortable, and eminently driveable.

    Frankly, if I had a car that had to be taken in for service every other week I'd get rid of it. First, try the manufacturer's mediation process. If that doesn't work, use your state's lemon law. (If you're outside the US, I wouldn't know if your country has such a law or not.) If that doesn't work, file a merchantability lawsuit against the company. No one should have to keep a car that requires biweekly repair at two years old.

    I had an experience with a Nissan Sentra GXE that was a totally unreliable car. There was much to like about it, but its constant mechanical failings were serious. I had to go through all three steps above, but eventually (at the inception of the lawsuit) Nissan replaced it with another Sentra GXE. At that point, I resented Nissan but I took the car, and it worked quite reliably. I know a lot of people are loyal to Nissan (or Honda, or Ford, or whatever), but I don't want another one.

    I am totally happy with this, my second Hyundai, but that doesn't mean you have to be or that you should give it another chance, any more than I'll give Nissan another chance. Still, it's pointless for me to disparage Nissan cars to loyal Nissan owners or to disparage Japanese cars in general because of one car.

    So, from my ownership perspective, Korean cars and Hyundai vehicles have engineering and quality that I respect. Maybe there were some QC improvements in the 2001s. Maybe I'm just lucky to have a vehicle that has better than normal quality. Or maybe I'm just living on borrowed time and the car will start giving me fits as well. In that case, it'll be 1) manufacturer arbitration, 2) lemon law (if applicable), and 3) merchantability lawsuit.

    Best of luck whatever you do with your vehicle.
  • pssonhnda1pssonhnda1 Member Posts: 20
    Yup, just bought a 2002 Sonata, got it yesterday. Absolutely love this car, black, with black tinted windows, 16" alloys..got the GL model for those interested. Personally don't like leather or sunroofs, and this car has more options then any other car I have owned. Traded in my '98 Accent Sport (Highly modified) for $7000(CAN). I think I got a good deal anyhow. Only one problem that I can spot is two small cracks(cuts?) in the driver side front window seal on the outside only. Going to go back to the dealer to see if they will correct that for me next week. Other then that the car is stunning inside and out. Everyone just loves the look of the car and the bigger V6 really pumps out the power.

    Anyhow just a question for Sonatafan, I can't seem to get to anything on your site for some reason....was hoping to see the cabin air filter thingy. My owners manual says if the car doesn't have one it can be easily installed and I want to see if it is something I can do or if it is something I have to have the dealer do. I am assuming that the air system in the '02 is similar to the previous models. Whelp..think I am going to go and sit in my new car some more!

    Ian...(sick of all them stupid civics out there!)
  • covacocovaco Member Posts: 3
    pssonhnda1, congrats on your new Sonata. I hope you get many years of trouble free use out of it! What part of Canada are you from? I too, live in Montreal, Canada and am seriously considering purchasing a 2002 GL V6 Sonata, automatic. It really is a beautiful car. I was wondering if you could tell me what you paid for your new car? Were you able to negotiate on the new 2002 model? If so, how much of a discount did you negotiate? Also, are there any rebates or incentives on the new 2002 models in Canada? THANKS!!
  • riezriez Member Posts: 2,361
    hdcse... Was at local Hyundai dealer trying to pick up an XG350 brochure. They didn't have one. But had lots of '02 brochures. So I picked on up for heck of it. At least in USA, it shows that the 5-speed manual is standard with the V-6. That intrigued me so I asked a salesman. Too bad he told me that all the ones they order come with automatics. Just wish there was even the theoretical possibility of an XG350 manual!
  • tonykrapiltonykrapil Member Posts: 211
    I lost all my favorites and am in need of the Hyundai site that has all the tech manuals for all their cars. I know you would have it.

    Can you beleive that the chump at Big Ten Tires here in town has stripped a lug stud off while supposedly REMOVING a hand tightened lug!!!

    Day before I rotated my tires as I always do with every oil change and I use a hand lug wrench. The idiot says it was way over tightened. In all honest, he must have had the gun set to tighten the lug nut, not remove it.

    The only problems I ever have with my cars is when someone touches them. The safest place for a car is on the road moving and as far away from so called mechanics.

    Thanks,

    Tony
  • astrolastrol Member Posts: 312
    Sorry to hear about the misfortune. I concur with your sentiments 100%. Somebody please exlain why every car that goes in for a major checkup (15K, etc.) comes out running worse than it went in. Idle screwed, tranny screwed, brakes screwed. I swear, they must take monkeys out of trees and put a wrench in their hands.


    I believe the site you are looking for is:

    http://www.hmaservice.com/webtech/

    Let me know if it is not the one and I'll try and shoot you another.

  • tonykrapiltonykrapil Member Posts: 211
    I think 'terrorists' work at all car repair chains. Short of spending some $8k for a tire balancing machine I am puzzled what to do next. I am thinking of getting a part time job at one of these joints and work one day every 5k miles and do the balancing myself. I will quit the job after I road test my care and then come back a few months later.

    Thanks for the link, now to see what needs to be done.

    Cya

    Tony
  • hdcsehdcse Member Posts: 19
    Just got back from the Hyundai dealer, and a salesman informed me that the '02 V-6 5spd combination, as he has been told, is coming later in the model year. This is good news. Let's hope it's factual. Also, the '01 V-6 5spd I reported this dealer had in stock many weeks ago is still there. It's dark blue with a brown cloth interior, and has package 10 with the sunroof and wind deflector. They are asking $15,410 for it. I knoe I paid $15,846 for essentially the same car without the sunroof. Must be big rebates out there. This dealer is known for very aggressive pricing, so you might be able to get it for less. It is Autofair Hyundai in Manchester, NH if anyone is interested.
  • pssonhnda1pssonhnda1 Member Posts: 20
    Can't help you out, actually should have said I LEASED a new Sonata! Heh, but to give you an idea they gave me $7000 trade in on a 98 Accent(instant no haggling), Free Limo Tint, Free Floor Mats (Big WOW!), Free Rust Proofing for life, Free Extended Warranty (Plan A 48mnth 80K bumper to bumper). Plus I got the V6 for $400 more then the 4 cyl. So I think the dealer was pretty motivated to sell. It could also be because I originally was going to take the demo '01 they had with 1500kms on it. They really wanted to move it, knocked several thousand dollars off it's price.

    Ian..(oh yeah, they doubled my downpayment as well, a whole $500!)
  • rhard49rhard49 Member Posts: 226
    Any 2002 owners notice that there's always cold air coming out of the defroster vents at the windshield when the ventilation system is turned on. Now that its getting cold the cool air is very noticable the only way to stop it is to turn the system completly off, even the heat.
  • csandstecsandste Member Posts: 1,866
  • pssonhnda1pssonhnda1 Member Posts: 20
    Hmm, did notice that very thing. Turning the ac off stopped it, also when I turned the heat up higher it did stop, just took a few minutes for it to take effect. You will note that whenever you turn any of the defrost settings on it automatically turns on the ac. I found that you have to set the heat level higher to compensate for the cooler air. Although the cooler air wasn't so cold in my car as to make the drive uncomfortable, quite the opposite, it made me feel more comfortable. I must admit when I first noticed the cooler air I thought it odd, but after a couple of hours driving it was a bit refreshing really.

    Ian..
  • csandstecsandste Member Posts: 1,866
    your windows would steam up. The AC removes moisture. A heater normally can easily put out much more heat than an AC removes.
  • tonykrapiltonykrapil Member Posts: 211
    It sounds like you either have a linkage that is jammed leaving the vent in the defrost position OR maybe a faulty vacum hose which controls the system.

    My Sonata and my 01 Elantra do not do as yours does.

    good luck with it

    tony
  • killerkkillerk Member Posts: 55
    Hey, guys, got a question regarding tire warranty. I racked up 16K since beginning of this year. I noticed that one of my tires (Michelin. I'm assuming this was a standard issue on 2001 Sonatas) is losing pressure. This happens very slowly. Was wandering if there's a warranty I could fall back on. Thanks.
  • pssonhnda1pssonhnda1 Member Posts: 20
    Yup, sounds like you have a problem there. I definately have no air flow when the defrost is turned off. Take it to the dealer and see what they have to say to you. Hopefully your dealer has a good service department. Be patient though, you bought a car that has just been released to market, so the machanics know nothing about your car. So don't be surprised if it takes a bit for them to find the problem!

    Ian..
  • pssonhnda1pssonhnda1 Member Posts: 20
    Hey killerk could just be a rim leak. You should have the tire warranty information in with your cars owners manual...check in all the little pockets. Anyhow, just go to the dealership tell them your problem. If they are good, they will reseat the tire for you and/or check for leaks while it is off. Rim leaks are pretty common on alloy wheels. Specially ones used during the winter. Might just be a nail or bad valve stem which is generally inexpensive to repair at any rate.

    Ian..
  • harry32harry32 Member Posts: 1
    One thing I haven't seen mentioned here. How much can a Sonata (with a V-6) pull? We (wife and I) really like the '02 Sonatas, but it is gonna have to pull our boat/trailer. Just a small boat and small motor but still ...
  • cchin2cchin2 Member Posts: 6
    Would anyone help me by telling me the
    retail price of a 2002 Sonata in Canada?
    I wish to buy one but do not want to
    overpay the dealer.

    Thanks a lot in advance.
  • siuc1996siuc1996 Member Posts: 1
    We just test drove the 2001 Sonata. We just loved it!! I can't believe how cheap the car was. Two of the cars they had were demos that had 1,900 and 4,000 miles. Has anyone had any experience buying demo cars? What is reasonable to ask for a discount? Is there anything that we should be concerned about?

    Thanks
  • larry1135larry1135 Member Posts: 43
    At first I thought there were some similarities with the 02 but then I saw an older Sonata with a very similar rear and front. That's when I realized they had integrated old and new styling without borrowing from elsewhere. Since the Jag X is so new and the current Sonata styling has been around for eight years maybe Jag did some borrowing? What does the board think?
  • csandstecsandste Member Posts: 1,866
    between the current platform (in either the 99-01, or the 02 redesign), and the previous, second generation car. I think the second generation car looked rather generic Japanese, probably closest to the previous generation Mitsu. Galant.
  • har1bushhar1bush Member Posts: 207
    I think the new Sonata looks a bit like the '01s and the previous generation combined... it still has a very similar silhouette as the '01s while it has that teardrop shaped headlights. HOwever, the rear looks very much like the Jaguar S-type... In the end, I don't think Hyundai blatantly copied any other cars, but took some cues here and there. As for Jaguar and Mercedes copying Hyundai, I think that's just ridiculous... they simply have too much pride and maybe even cockiness to even think of looking at a Hyundai... just imagine all the Mercedes owners out there outraged if they found out their $80K Benz even remotely resembled the $15K Hyundai!
  • dougndodougndo Member Posts: 136
    When I sold VW/AUDI/Porsche I was serious and faithful in attending all company sponsored training, test events, performance drives, competitive comparisons, in short every thing that the manufacturers offered to teach me more about our cars and the competition's The sessions with engineers and drivers were usually quite frank. These professionals were "car guys" (maybe "car people?" today) first and corporate shills second. They worked for the company certainly and they were loyal, but they also were into well wrought machines wherever they came from.

    It was no secret that competition among competing brands was fierce, especially for Audi, a company trying to rebuild its reputation in this country. Frequently we would have a new design element or new component described to us as Lexus-like or Seville-inspired or early Corvette-styled, etc.

    The performance people would talk about out-Jaggin Jaguar or giving maturity to a premature Renault-ism or underdeveloped concept from Chrysler.

    I know it's easier to accept that the inexpensive marques like Hyundai might borrow from premium builders, but that is no more true than the other way around. The next time you see an old Dodge Shadow, try to imagine what design influence that had on a premium brand a few years later.

    And yes, the next time you see a '99-'01 Sonata, with its feline looks and occasional Jag-isms, you can imagine there was a designer somewhere in Hyundai who was intentionally or unintentionally giving homage to Jaguar. Don't believe for a minute that someone at Jaguar design didn't notice, and if he/or she felt that there was a further refinement to be made, he or she would make it in a heartbeat.
  • larry1135larry1135 Member Posts: 43
    If you look at the 97 Sonata you will see that Hyundai used their own design not Jag's, and the Jag S type came after.
  • monjeri1monjeri1 Member Posts: 3
    I just purchased a new 2002 sonata......last week, and as I was finishing the paper work, they were cleaning it, and as they were backing it out of the stall, they scratched the bumper, and now needs replacing. On Friday it was to be ready, but the paint did not match. They told me it would now be ready Monday. They told me they would give me six oil changes. Is this enough compensation? Hoping I have a new car smell and not a body shop smell. Is this car considered a damaged vehicle?

    thanks

    Jerry
Sign In or Register to comment.

Your Privacy

By accessing this website, you acknowledge that Edmunds and its third party business partners may use cookies, pixels, and similar technologies to collect information about you and your interactions with the website as described in our Privacy Statement, and you agree that your use of the website is subject to our Visitor Agreement.