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NASCAR wanna'be that the problem is either a factory goof or somthing simple like the shift control modulator.Since you didn't say what the car did when the failure accured,like grinding noises or a lot of smoking and burn smells,it could be that..The car will just sit there and race in all gears if the modulator fails..Although it is hard to believe the dealer took 2 days to find it if that was the problem
At same time that I got that car, a friend of me who lives in Virginia, called me to say that he had just bought a 97 Accord with 60000 miles for 15000 bucks. I could not believe that he paid the same as I did for a used car that does not even have the same quality features as the Sonata. That is brand loyalty!! He even made fun of me!!! " I have a real car from a real car maker!! "
He recently called to complain that he had to change some expensive suspension parts, plus tires, etc. I tried to calm him down explaining that a used car, without any warranty, will give you some expenses. It does not matter if it is a Honda or a Hyundai.
Inside my head I could hear my voice saying:
HA HA HA
Looser!!!!
I'll keep plugging, as I otherwise have great faith in the quality of the car. Hope they can find a fix...
HappyPappy
WOW what another Super Difference removing the air filter pre-intake duct.
Sound from the air Intake taking in that rush of air is Awesome. Gas Mileage increased tremendously after 2000rpms you really notice the power increase.
Here is a How to >
Need to remove the Battery Positive and Negative cables from Battery Post 10mm deep socket , then remove the 12mm bolt long Extension 12" or longer in the front of the battery hold down tray battery comes right out. Then remove the 2 - 10mm bolts which hold down the engine compartment fuse box don't try to remove the fuse box just want it to be slightly moveable to access a 10mm bolt holding the air filter housing, then there are 3 - 10mm bolts which hold the air cleaner assembly. One bolt in front and Rear another just under the fuse box. then finally 1 - 10mm bolt on the drivers side inside fender holding the air duct.
FYI after you are done will have to re program radio stations and clock.
For purposes of quieting the air intake noise levels.
Hyundai has the air come in thru a Resonator box then thru the air duct and finally into the air cleaner. Remove the air duct. Fire up the 4cyl. and listen to the Throaty sound it makes... Took Digital Pics of the work hope to post on a webpage soon... Will keep U all Posted ...
email > hi_tec1@hotmail.com
Happy Hyundai Motoring
When I picked up the car the gearchange was stiff - like a new car however it has now loosened up nicely and is a definite improvement on how it was previous to the work.
The ultimate test will be when my wife drives the car but it seems that the work was worthwhile.
No even a scratch on the car which is a bonus
The dealer did not refer to any TB.
You could not have found a better car for the money than the GLS. My wife's has 11300 mi. and purrs like a kitten. Hope you get a good price and DO inquire about the warranty terms. After all, it is still one of the best reasons to buy Hyundai.
Good Luck!
Most of us here find it surprising that Hyundai would be so obstinate about it when you consider that many Sonata competitors offer ABS as a stand alone option.
If you must have it then there may not be a Sonata in your future. This is too bad as we are always looking for new friends.
if you have email me let em know marlowe@canady.com
When I leave the car idling in park (or even if I am at a stoplight with my foot on the brake), the car tends to shake a little. I don't mean that the RPMs spike or that the car shakes like a muscle car, I just mean that you can feel the car shaking a little from the engine inside the cabin. Since everything else is so smooth, I was curious as to whether this is normal or not.
Also, the car sometimes shakes a little while braking (actually, it feels like it is going over a slightly bumpy road). I assume that this has something to do with the auto tranny downshifting?
Any comments would be greatly appreciated!
BTW - Overall, I think the Sonata is an awesome buy for an awesome deal!
If you are actually describing a physical shaking that you can see and feel, I suggest you have it looked at. You may have valve deposits. Try a total fuel system treatment in the gas tank. Take her out on the highway and open her up good.
Consider staying in touch with this forum. Good Luck with the new car.
How can you call a car without ABS a family car? If Hyundai added optional ABS, they'd be selling a 4 cylinder family car with virtually the same horsepower and torque as the base model 4 cylinder Accord, similarly equipped and with similar design and dimensions... For nearly _five thousand bucks_ less. That kind of bargain would help me forget about the Accord. The nagging uncertainly... "Maybe I should have bought the 4 cylinder Accord instead of the 6 cylinder Hyundai." Sonatas would soon begin selling in volume. They'd become a genuine competitor. Instead of impersonating the Accord, why not carve a market niche, undercut Honda, and eventually challenge the Accord?
I'm still looking at the 2001 Hyundai Elantra GLS, but that's another can of worms. Er, that's another topic.
I'm in the market for a 01' Sonata GLS automatic (no leather, moonroof)and still unsure of a what a great deal would be. MRSP is approx $19000 but have seen one advertized at 15500. I've checked out several sights including this one and our local dealer won't even consider a close TMV price as found on the internet. Big difference! So whats the deal? no one really mentions what they paid. Frustrated in Arizona.
The car has got class with an urban grey colour and the Michelin 205 tires and silver rims. I will get the windows slightly shaded and the overall look will be great.
After 300Kms, I can say that it runs smooth, silent and the sound system is adequate. The heated leather seats are appreciated. First hand details are: poor return from the direction change lever after a turn, occasional double kick down between 60-90kms/h with throttle at 2/3, possible movement of the gearshift from "D" to "N" with very little pressure. no water deflector from windshield to front side door, poor similiwood finish.
In closing, I am very satisfied and I know I do not drive a Mercedes or equivalent car. For the price and quality compared to other cars in the same niche, you can not find better buy.
I will keep you posted.
I had a clicking noise coming from the interior fan also this last summer. You will have to loosen three bolts under the dash on the passenger side. The little plastic squirrel cage and motor will drop and you guessed it, a leaf will most likely be stuck. I found the leaf brown, dry, and rolled up tightly.
Piece of cake to fix but you have to be able to get upside down under to dash to work on it.
Good luck.
I paid $18685 (MSRP $21247 w/add-ons) for a '00 GLS Auto w/pkg 13. I think Giowa paid about $18400 (MSRP about $20500 or so)for the same with a 5-speed. We bought at different times and under very different circumstances. Suffice it to say I had a much easier time finding mine.
The vehicle you mention sounds like either a standard GLS Auto V6 or one with pkg 10. The standard package with Dest. is about $18300 MSRP. It does not have the CD/Cassette upgrade or the moonroof. The car with pkg 10 and Dest. is about $19300 MSRP and does include the above. In either case, the sale price you mentioned sounds righteous but do inquire if that is after all rebates, if any. You know how these dealers love to lowball.
Good Luck with your decision.
In my opinion, you were wise to stay away from the Leganza, as well as the others. The day I pay what most of them are asking for a 4 cyl model is the day I jump off the Tallahatchie Bridge.
Good Luck with the new car.
2002 Sonata will be introduced at west coast of USA in June.
ABS is really essentail feature for safety on midsize sedan. Maybe price will be changed because ABS is added as a standard.
In Korea we pay 500bucks more to get 2002 SONATA wiht ABS.
Do any of you have a web page with this motor info or even just some motor photos?
Thanks. Feel free to stop by my website at http://www.geocoties.com/phatfoto to see some of the stuff the Dodge 3 liter crowd is up to...
I'm glad that ABS is not standard equipment. However, I think that it should be an option.
Chrysler and Hyundai got that block design from Mitsubishi. Although ECU and injections are different by development.
80's V6 3.0 engine are definitely same among 3 companines.
I've been in touch with Mitsubishi Montero owners and compared notes with them on these matters, and they too had similar problems. Different communities, same problems, different solutions.
I was also in touch with the Mitsu 3000GT and Dodge Stealth crowds too. Their DOHC motors are basically the same block, but different heads and electronics. Also, different mounting directions too. But those guys (mostly the DOHC Twin Turbo folks) were really a bunch of snobs. No help.
For what it is worth, there is an industrial version of this motor used in Fork Lifts and other heavy machinery. So obviously this is a good basic motor.
If any of you have web sites about your cars with photos of the motors, I'd appreciate it. I'm not trying to build up a NASCAR motor or NHRA dragster here, but I always like more power.
Thanks...
Only you can answer whether it is a sound move financially. You know all the details on your original deal. As to whether the upgrade to the GLS is worth it---I'm biased---so yes, it is. Of course it all depends on how long you keep it, etc. Some people say vehicles like these are a better buy in the base form or in the basic no-frills V6 form. I like 'em fully loaded and the wife intends to keep it 6+ years so put me down for pkg. 13.
You have a powertrain warranty. It will be fixed for free. Your 00 sonata is about the same as an 01 sonata. Is it worth 6500 bucks to get a differnt car with similar loss at trade?
You can rent a loaner for a long time for 6500 bucks.
You can also buy a beater and sell it when your car comes back and maybe even make a profit on the sale if ya clean it up nice.
When we bought these sonatas we knew the loss will be there regarding trade, I would just wait and get yours fixed.
Dont put any more money into this situation.
I have two hyundai's SO I know first hand in order to win at this game we have to hold on for a long time.
You mught also escallate the trouble to the owner of the dealership and then to hyundai in hopes of getting it taken care of faster.
Good luck and be sure to let us know what you do.
Tony
Figured wait till around 500 miles maybe just needs breaking in. Called Hyundai Service Dept. spoke to a Hyundai Tech. He stated that was common cause they have a thinking Transmission.
Hyundai Tech stated Trans. electronic control module is not setup properly. The car was driven short distances between factory the docks and then off the boat here and to carrier then test drive for the first 16 miles so it remembers that and has adjusted to that short driving.
Ok, bottom line is dis-connect the Battery Cables Positive and Negative do not re-connect Battery cables for 1/2 hour. Then go out drive in some traffic and Highway for about 15 miles and the Trans. ECM will setup to normal driving and shift smooth and respond perfectly. It is all because of the Super Thinking Trans. they use. :O)
Remember to reset your radio stations and clock
So far have changed to the Bosch Platinum +4 Spark Plugs.
Removed the Air Duct to the Air Filter. Drive the car 50 miles everyday constantly shifting between 3rd and drive. Love to hold 3rd to 45-50mph then go into Drive or 4th if the road ahead allows.
Get on the Throttle a lot in 3rd and sometimes in drive. Certainly do not Baby the Trans. Or the engine. Get on throttle every chance I can and Love it.
Sonata is fast with simple Mods. Takes a beating from me and doesnt complain.
Reminds me of our PCs just Re-Boot and youre all set :O)
You make it sound like a 'learn once then shift this way forever trasmission'
Do you think this is the way it really works ?
I dont.
Tony
You make it sound like a 'learn once then shift this way forever trasmission'
Do you think this is the way it really works ?
I dont.
Tony
Disconnecting the vehicles current for 30minutes just re-initializes or resets the TCM .
Hyundai tech stated when the TCM is completely defective the Trans. Locks up in 2nd gear.
Where or how does the TCM receive data ? Are there Sensors ?
Does it use engine RPM , vehicle speed? Trans. torque converter rpm ? Anyone?
Will call Hyundai this week and see if I can get more info.
My Apologize for making my previous message sound as if the TCM does not continue to think after resetting and driving for 15 miles.
Just a statement made by the Hyundai tech to drive 15 miles after the reset .
The Statement regarding the first 16 miles of my Sonata's life is just the tech trying to give me his explanation of what may have been the reason for the TCM to freeze and require a reset.
I Love my Sonata
Bought the Sonata in 3/00 paid 11,500 base with automatic and CD player, I'm just worried that the car would never be the same,I would like to drive it if I ever get it back to see if it feels any different. I babied the car since new, only hand washed and waxed, I did all oil changes. The only reason that I even considered the trade is because they offered me 9500. Was wondering if 16000 was a good price for the GLS. Does anyone know how long the car has to be at the dealer to try the lemon law? Tuesday will make 2 weeks.
I know someone (female?) a good while back posted here about her GLS or her mothers' needing a tranny replacement. You might want to check the archives for the details. I believe she stuck with it and the new tranny was fine.
Again, the financials are yours to decide. My opinion stems from the fact that I simply prefer the extras the GLS provides, especially the V6. If the dealer holds to the $9500 that doesn't sound bad considering. What option pkg. does the GLS have, if any?
Believe me, any advice or help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
If you are at all worried about it, take it to the dealer and report problems with the ac clutch engagement, both at start-up and while moving. They may not be able to duplicate it as I usually cannot with my wifes'. But you will have established a record for the future.
As far as using the car---please do. This is not a terminal condition. Nothing will fall off the car. You are depriving yourselves of a wonderful ride.
an idiot for returning for subsequent service requests, and a bit angry at the attitude of
a few personnel on those occasions. Now I have something on which to go. I'm now most anxious to return to the dealer with this information. I'll post the results as information afterward. One more question, though: You said it was the AC clutch. Would the clutch also cause the noise when the heater is engaged?
Again, many thanks.
I am thinking of getting a 2001 Sonata. The dealer gave me a quote of $15,145
including frieght and a choice of either a $1000 incentive or 0.9% financing. How do
you think of this? BTW I live in Princeton,NJ.
Thanks in advance.
You did not give any particulars about the car. I assume it is a base Sonata. Any options?
Here are some suggestions:
Try re-creating the noise with the fan set to 0. The fan setting is the on-off for everything else. No heat/AC without it being on. I doubt you will be able to do this using only the other setting buttons.
Get used to starting/leaving the car with all buttons off (except for fresh/re-circ) This will help eliminate the problem being something else and only coincidental to the HVAC operation.
Try to isolate whether it occurs more frequently with particular HVAC setting or not.
More than likely the problem is what I have previously described. If it continues I suggest you raise hell about it and get it replaced.
Can anyone give me some advice? Looking for durability, don't want the Hyundai to break down in the middle of the road even though there is a 100K mile protection.
It's a base Sonata.