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Be aware that there are many competing service outfits with lower pricing for just this kind of thing. Keep your work receipts and there should be no problem. I've noticed some dealers feeling the squeeze. Just a few years back it was quite common for them to charge nearly $400 for timing belt replacement. Now many have their prices set around $250-275, much more reasonable.
Hope that helps.
Plus carpeted floor mats, cargo net, mud gauards, remote keyless entry, wind deflector and
full front end bra. We are located in northern Illinois 100 miles west of Chicago. Drive away price
inc. tax and license plus exstended warrenty and paint and fabric protection and undercoating
was $18900.00 . what a great car . Sure beats the Toyota we traded in.
Ohmar
I, on the other hand, salt of the earth that I am, consider you a happy camper and that's good enough for me. I figure if you're happy with the deal, who am I to argue?
As you can no doubt tell, we are a proud bunch when it comes to our car deals and we do usually like to seek the greatest bargain which generally translates into few, if any, frills. While I agree with Giowas' sentiments on this everyone has their own priorities. You may be the kind of car shopper who always pays for the extras and if so, so be it.
I would be interested in the breakdown of the deal if you would oblige, including add-ons. Many people list their deals here but they are not always describing the same thing. Some give out- the-door, others final price, etc. It can get confusing.
Agree about Toyo. Overpriced and under-warrantied.
Good Luck with your new ride.
I hope you are not wrongly encouraging buyers to buy expensive and unnecessary undercoating, paint, and fabric protection packages from dealers. These are a pure profit area for them. Cost dealer next to nothing and charge buyer hundreds or more. And where is the evidence the products do what are claimed? Whether it is automotive press (C&D, MT, R&T) or consumer press (CR) or car buying books, these type after sale add ons are uniformly panned.
Methinks ohmar834 ended up not getting such a good total deal. Hope other buyers don't get taken on the protection package profit scam. Buyers beware. Study up and don't fall for the sales pitches when you are talking to the finance and spiff guys!!!
If ohmar834 had made a claim about the necessity of such items or that they somehow improved or enhanced his car over others, I would have joined you. But he didn't.
So let him pay for a pure Silver jack and tire
iron if he wishes. Ain't no skin off my nose. Besides, we don't know anything else about the purchase other than it was made. There are always going to be some people who pay for the 'extras', for whatever reasons. Obviously he doesn't like to dicker but who are we to mind?
I am a fan of the White Pearl. It is the one color in my area that is seldom seen. It and the Black are my favorites with the beige interior. Let's see...mine is Silver and I like the White Pearl and the Black...hmmmm...I guess I'm not too much into colors.
My silver '00 Sonata GLS will go over 17,000 miles tomorrow. I don't garage it. I live in the midwest. Brutal heat in summer and terrible winters. Road salt, bird dung, tar, you name it. And I've got two kids under 11. I drive my Sonata for work purposes. But I've also carefully studied what automotive, consumer, and car-buying guide press have all clearly indicated in regard to these dealer protection packages. Don't buy. They are way over priced and there is no evidence they do what they claim (e.g., undercoating). And you can do for the car what they claim to do, just for a lot less $$$.
Your Hyundai comes standard with the best warranty in America. Just take care of her.
If you don't like to do anything yourself (or hate applying a bit of elbow grease), and you really gotta have, you are much better off negotiating these things with companies that specialize in them.
I recommend just doing some of it yourself. Regular careful washing and periodic waxing beats paint sealant and undercoating. Even with the sealant, you still need to wash and wax. You can buy cans of FabricGuard at local dept or discount store and apply yourself, just like the dealer (but he charges you hundreds of dollars for a couple dollars protectant and 5 minutes of labor time). And don't forget to vacuum inside regularly and periodically apply things like ArmorAll to inside surfaces.
As author Remar Sutton has been saying for the past 20 years in his classic, in print, work: "Don't Get Taken Every Time". In the 2nd revised edition I have, 1991, his thoughts on this subject are found in the section, p. 251, on "dealing with the toughest gimmicks at the dealership... Protection Packages, Warranties: Should You Buy from the Dealers at Any Price? Rustproofing, undercoating, glazing: Don't buy from the dealer. You can buy better...for hundreds less from other sources. But do you need it? Probably not... Don't waste your money."
Welcome to the world of Sonata ownership, Omar. I know you will love your car!
I just purchased a brand new 2000 Sonata GLS. Its a fantastic car!! The only thing I have noticed is that my rear-right window emitts an annoying rattle anytime I go over a bump! It is really frustrating. I can make the rattle go away by very slightly lowering the window by tapping on the window button. However, it annoys me that I should have to do this with a brand new car. I have inspected the window and the window seating and everything looks fine. I have an appointment with my dealer this Friday, but can anyone make any suggestions as to what could be wrong?
Thanks in advance!
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You know I'm down!
Jdubois1---
I think I have the exact same problem with my '00 GLS. Same window, same everything. Lower the window, even a little...goes away. Actually I found it to be a buzzing vibration over broken pavement or unsettled road. I have tracked it to something just along and slightly under the armrest. Open your door and thump it along the edge where the inner panel meets the metal. Listen for the sound. I think it is a part of the inner mechanism or frame that needs some foam. Do me a favor and post your build date. (You can find it on the drivers door frame) Mine is Mar. 21 '00. There may be a connection. Mine is also going in very soon for oil service and this problem. Let me know what happens with yours. TIA
2. drimple (#716): I thought one of the functions of this site is to tell people the truth, to educate better buyers, promote better Hyundais, and straighten out bad dealers or poor sales/service practices. If ohmar834 got the protection packages for free and they do what they purport to do, then that is one thing (which I don't think happened). If, however, he paid a lot of money for the protection packages, then he did NOT get a good overall deal. We should help future buyers avoid wasting their money. If he paid $1,000 for the protection packages, that was $1,000 in options he could've had for the same money. Buy more car, don't help the dealer's profit margin. Fairly simple concept! And one we should be encouraging.
Hey, we all make mistakes. I've never forgiven myself for allowing my mother to buy undercoating, paint & fabric protection when she bought her new '83 Caprice Classic. I was only 20 and it was her money. But we learned (i.e., they were over priced big time and didn't do much) and she has avoided the mistake the last two times I helped her negotiate buying new cars (a '93 Concorde & '00 Lincoln LS6). As for me, I've always avoided it on the 11 new vehicles I bought for self or wife since '90, or the used cars I bought before that.
I think they were trained to offer the package and it is a " consumer beware " situation where one has to be considering a long term option.
I am not saying it is bad, it just has to be weighted with the overall usage plan of the automobile.
Otherwise, the car is fantastic and I am rather impressed after my former experiences with Honda Civic, Jetta and Mitshubishi 2000.
Cheers for now
Nice to see that you are retaining your enthusiasm for your new Sonatas.
In response to the queries on the replacement of the synchros in my Sonata.
I have now covered about 1,500 kilometres since the work was carried out and can report a noticable improvement. My car was actually built 12/99 so is quite an early 2000 model. The work was to replace the synchronisers as the lead in angle had been changed to help rectify a notchy gearchange.
I would not worry about it at 500 miles as it the car is not run in at that mileage. I suggest to wait until about 5000 miles before getting too concerned.
I do notice that the gearchange into 2nd is still a bit notchy when cold but quite OK when warmed up.
I worked for a Toyota dealer a few years ago and remember that they had the same problem of a notchy gearchange when cold with some models available then. The fix was to change the oil for automatic transmission fluid which is lighter.
I am still happy with my car.
It is coming into winter here in Australia and summer for you Americans/Canadians. I guess that we can't have the perfect weather all the time.
By the way, since we all do love to brag about our deals...
Bought mine 1 year ago with power sunroof and CD/Cassete for $15,000 out the door and got the 0.9% 48 month financing (could have paid $1,000 less and financed myself). It had 2k dealer rep miles, so I got the remainder of warranty. 9.5 years and 98k miles. I also retain the option to sell with the "2nd owner warranty of 5 years, 50k miles". Mine is Napoli Blue, I would have preferred Pearl White, but I am "driven" by getting the best value.
Then we bought my wife a 2000 GLS V6 automatic in June 2000. Brand new out the door, just under $15,000 with "owner loyalty" rebate. We provided our own financing. We could have bought her a rep model with a 2-3k miles, but she had to have the pearl white.
Bought both from a friend who is a GM at a San Diego dealership.
Giowa was right in earlier posts about not wasting money, just needs to put it more tactfully.
I could be saying to my wife or Giowa "You didn't get my deal, so you threw away money you fools...". But see, I didn't :-), so they won't feel bad. I mean they got what they wanted and paid what they felt it was worth.
2. You don't say what option Pkg you have. For both cars??? From your description, doesn't sound like Pkg 13 for either. Your 5-speed was a used car. Hard to tell if you got a good deal. Methinks maybe not, except it is the rare V-6 5-speed???
3. I paid $18,400 in 5/00 for my brand new, 32 miles on odometer, '00 Sonata GLS w/Pkg 13 and 5-speed. Off a $20,262 MSRP. I got 0.9% 48 month financing. I didn't qualify for any owner loyalty money. And this car was the only V-6 Pkg 13 5-speed in a 10-State area and I had to do an interdealer trade with a dealer about 400 miles away. So I think the price I paid was quite good for the circumstances. I did NOT pay for the bogus $900 Autobahn Protection Package applied by the Illinois dealer (pin stripe, paint sealant, and mud guards).
People like me who will only buy the hardest to find make or model will pay more than others who can accept a broader variety. I could've shaved off some bucks if I would've bought one of the local dealer's lot Pkg 13 automatics. But I still got a great deal, better than most because I negotiate hard and will walk if I don't get a good, reasonable deal. So I wouldn't have wanted nor would I have taken your deal.
Here is my situation. I went out to start my car Sunday morning and it did not start. I turned the key one more time, still no luck. So I asked my husband to go try and he turned the key once also. Because of the warranty he doesn't even open the hood up and said let's take the truck. So later when we got home 5 hours later he tried one more time and still nothing. We had the car towed to the "local" dealer, on Sunday. Talked to them on Monday and they claimed the car was "flooded" and the Platinum plugs needed to be changed and they did not think Hyundai would pay for them. To make a long story short, we did not get out car back until Thursday evening and told them right from the start that we were not going to pay $250 to have spark plugs changed! They also told us Hyundai would not cover them because 90% of the time it is the customers fault. So finally on Thursday they did call us and told us we could come and get the car, it took them 4 days to figure out that the plugs are self cleaning!!! They told us they took it for a drive and then the plugs burn a little hotter than regular plugs so that allows then to self clean!
I told them the "end result" may have been flooding but there was an initial problem that caused the car to not start on the "first" try. I asked them if they checked loose wires and computer chips. They said Yes we had it on our "machine" and nothing showed up so we are puzzled of why this happened!
I am thinking of taking the car to another dealer and having a diagnostic test done.
Does anyone have any advice or have had a simular experience? The car is a 99 Sonata GLS v6 with 15,000 miles.
Thanks green101
Based on the facts you present I would never put your car back into that dealers hands again. The mechanic or service rep who gave you that song and dance is an idiot. Take your Sonata to another dealer and ask for a diagnostic on the ECM and fuel/ignition check-up.
I'm sure you are aware of the fuel fill-up bugaboo and the hard starting that can cause. Also, by now your car should have received the Recall service on the Mass Air Flow sensor. It would be logical to eliminate either of these as contributory.
Good Luck.
Also in regards to the initial problem, my husband describes the noise upon starting was a "zing sound". And he feels it was/is a starter problem. He is not gifted in this area so it is hard for both of us to know reasons when problems occur. I feel the dealer kept stalling and was waiting for us to just say "go ahead and fix it I need my car back" and for us to pay. When we didn't back down they finally decided to tell us on Thursday the plugs are self cleaning and give us our car back.
I did have the MA recall serviced in December.
Not aware of the "fuel fill-up bugaboo".
(My car was 1/4 tank full when problem started)
What does the ECM on the diagnostic check stand for?
And one last question, do I need to take the Sonata to another "Hyundai" dealer for servicing to be covered under warranty or can I go to a local service garage that services foreign cars?
Thanks for your help
And lastly, to keep your warranty valid, it's a good idea to take it to another Hyundai authorized service center.
So, that's the story to date. I just wanted to update you and anybody else who may have the same problem. Again, thanks for your suggestions.
Film at eleven!!!
My white pearl '00 GLS pkg 10 goes in Monday for the recall work, a handbrake adjustment and replacement of the moonroof gasket.
My opinion on the $250 spark plug job: dealer's service depts are always looking for ways to make a buck. A friend took his '00 Accord in for an oil change and they tried to tell him he needed new brakes already (at 11,000 miles).
Glad to hear you are using and enjoying the car. We are lucky to have such good rides for the money. Stay in touch.
Green101---
Sonatafan covered all the bases except for maybe the 'bugaboo'.
This is the simple requirement at fill-up that you screw your gas cap on until you hear at least three clicks. Otherwise you may suffer a hard starting episode. The filler tube must be pressurized to a degree so the emissions sensors can work properly.
Also, I fully agree that you should seek Hyundai only service otherwise you will be paying out of pocket. I'm sure a reputable service dept. can be found.
You husband sounds dead right about the 'zing'. The starter motor can be pulled and examined for gear stripping, if any.
Sonatava---
I had the same kind of episode back in January with the same result. I chose to never gas again at that station and have not had a repeat. In my case it was ice crystals as that was the coldest day of the Winter.
Cheers everybody! I am happy because Maryland is back to the sweet sixteen once again. If coach Williams could ever get a team to the elite eight I think I'd fall down with a happy seizure.
Below is a copy of the e-mail they sent me:
Street Price Survey for New Car Buyers
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Compare your deal with others on 2000 Hyundai Sonata GLS V6
Finance Transactions from 2000-04-25 - 2000-09-05
11 Responses
Measures Your Response Total Responses
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MSRP $21247.0 $19268.45 (avg.)
$18087.0 (min.)
$21347.0 (max.)
Price Paid $18685.0 $17404.55 (avg.)
$15344.0 (min.)
$20062.0 (max.)
Discount Percentage from MSRP 12.06% 9.79% (avg.)
0.0% (min.)
15.81% (max.)
Customer Rebate $1000.0 $1333.33 (avg.)
$1000.0 (min.)
$2000.0 (max.)
Annual Percentage Rate 4.9% 5.64% (avg.)
0.9% (min.)
12.5% (max.)
Total Amount Financed $17816.25 $14780.7 (avg.)
$1563.94 (min.)
$21353.0 (max.)
Term 60.0 55.09 (avg.)
36.0 (min.)
66.0 (max.)
Monthly Payment $336.03 $344.88 (avg.)
$250.26 (min.)
$439.0 (max.)
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OVERALL RATING OF DEAL
(5=excellent, 1=poor) 5.0 4.27 (avg.)
REASON FOR CHOOSING THE VEHICLE
Styling X 72.73% (avg.)
Value X 100.0% (avg.)
Reliability X 45.45% (avg.)
Safety X 63.64% (avg.)
Performance X 45.45% (avg.)
Comfort and Features X 90.91% (avg.)
DID YOU GET THE EXACT MODEL AND OPTIONS YOU WANTED?
Exactly X 72.73% (avg.)
Almost 27.27% (avg.)
Somewhat 0.0% (avg.)
Not Really 0.0% (avg.)
OVERALL SATISFACTION WITH VEHICLE
(5=excellent, 1=poor) 5.0 4.64 (avg.)
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Financed Through Dealer No 81.82% (avg.)
Vehicle Traded In No 36.36% (avg.)
Trade in Allowance $0.0 $71.33 (avg.)
Did you get the auto? I did. Does your keyless have the alarm? Mine does. And did you get the net? Yup, I did. Except for the spoiler, which I did not get, these seem to be the only unknowns. Also my deal
was with a no-haggle dealer with set, posted internet prices.
Good Luck with your new love.
Yes I got the automatic tranny, no cargo net(go figure,)keyless only no alarm and that price included freight costs of $495. I used my home equity loan so it was a cash deal to the dealership. I have already ordered a universal cargo net from an aftermarket supplier for $16. That's cheaper than invoice.
There are just a few slight differences in our purchases but I must bow to the king of deal makers. You got the spoiler and dealt with the cost increases while I got the alarm and a net...(of course, then again, I didn't have to make the deal at all...just walked in and picked it up.)
All hail the deal maker!
With the radio on, the noise isn't very noticeable, but with it off the noise tends to be a little irritating. Other than this, my wife and I really like the car.
So, Sonata owners, have you noticed this too?
Neither of these bothers me and seem to be some feature of a mechanical function working properly in the car. I do hate the rough road buzzing in my rear passenger door but that will be addressed this week.
Way to go. At that price, you beat similarly equipped Accords, Camrys, Maximas, Galants, and 626s by anywhere from $3-8 thousand dollars.
(At $18,400 off a $20,262 MSRP w/0.9% financing for 48 months in May '00, I think I got a great deal on my GLS Pkg 13 w/5-speed. Esp. considering my local dealer knew I wanted this one specific vehicle and no other, and we had to do a long distance inter-dealer trade on a very hard to find one-of-a-kind in my 10-State region. Might've helped me that dealer had had it on his lot for about 8 months unable to sell it. He might've been desperate to sell.)
Yesteday I got the recall work done, the handbrake adjusted, and the moonroof leak fixed (I hope). I guess they only "adjusted" the moonroof since it was only leaking in the back. I could tell that the gasket hadn't been replaced, seeing that there was a small tear in the gasket at the front. I had always thought the tear was some sort of tab (it's almost dead center) but I fixed it with some silicone for now. These next few rainy days will let me know whether or not to insist on a new gasket, since it still looks like the rear part isn't seated high enough.
I highly recommend spraying down the fabric seats with fabric protectant before taking it into the shop for any reason. The dot of gray grease on the passenger's seat came out with the spray foam cleaner, but all the zigzags left on the driver's seat were hard as heck to remove. There's still two faint dots on the base fabric. I'm assuming it was a mechanic's un-capped ballpoint pen in a left rear pocket that did the horrific art. I didn't discover the damage until I got home, after waiting forever for the car to be ready, so I figured that getting irate wasn't worth it. The car certainly runs quieter after the recall work, and runs as smooth as the first day I bought her, so I can't complain. Also picked-up the shop manual for $45 for later reference (my brother's a mechanic).
The website is www.nhtsa.dot.gov
Type in the info for a 2000 Hyundai Sonata or Elantra and it'll tell you everything you need to know. It involves re-routing the Mass Air Flow sensor to prevent a stalling problem. My car was very near the end of the build dates affected, which probably explains why I haven't received anything in the mail yet. The Base Sonata's (4 cyl's) are not affected, neither are '01 models.
http://www.prnewswire.com/gh/cnoc/comp/424987.html
and check out the Mar. 19 story. It looks like we might get yet another high lux Hyundai bigger and badder than the XG. Also, the new Elantra GT will be coming soon at a great price. Now if they can just get the '02 Sonata over here looking like it does in Korea, Hyundai will be sitting pretty.
I also suspect that they add a little fuel treatment with each service to give the customer the impression of a smoother running engine (= better service = happy customer). This morning as I drove off, I found that the accelerator responded as if it had high-test gas in it, same feel as two days ago when I had some work done. Just a thought.
Are you saying that there is a persistent leak? Or is it that some water collects and if you open the roof too soon you get some drips?
Seoul, March 21 (Bloomberg) -- Hyundai Group founder Chung Ju Yung, who built a construction company into what was once South Korea's largest industrial group, died today of complications from
pneumonia, Munwha Broadcasting Corp. and other local television stations said.
Chung, 86, was the honorary chairman of Hyundai Group, which owns the world's largest shipbuilder and the world's second-largest memory-chip maker. His career long symbolized to South
Koreans the nation's transformation from the poverty that followed the 1950-53 civil war to one of the world's most successful export economies.
``He helped Korea out from the depths of poverty, and that's what he ought to be remembered for,'' said Richard Steers, a professor at the University of Oregon and author of ``Made in Korea: Chung Ju Yung and the Rise of Hyundai.''
Chung was born the son of a farmer in Tongchon, now a town in North Korea, and received only a primary education. As a teenager he ran away with money from selling his father's cow, and survived by delivering rice by bicycle in Seoul and laboring on the docksat Inchon, a nearby port.
Japan's defeat in 1945 brought an end to its colonization of Korea, and the peninsula was divided into Soviet and American zones of occupation. Chung's first business venture was repairing trucks for U.S. armed forces in the southern half, and in 1947 he started Hyundai (``modern'') Engineering & Construction, and
became the first contractor to win overseas business.
-- I just wanted to let you guys know...