Hyundai Sonata 2005 and earlier

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  • giowagiowa Member Posts: 599
    What Zep album were you playing? Remember the specific song? I think your behavior was caused by hidden Satanic subliminal messages encoded in Zep albums. I remember about 20 years ago, when I was in High School, getting nicely toasted on a Saturday nite. Put Led Zep Physical Graffiti on record player and started playing it backwards, listening thru headphones. We was shocked by what we heard. Too bad we can't remember what we heard nor did we ever repeat the experience. Had a real bad hangover the next day. And my dad came downstairs at around 3 AM shouting something like "What the hell is goin' on down here? What's this 'Oh Sweet Satan' gibberish someone is howling? This party's over. Get the hell outta my house."
  • giowagiowa Member Posts: 599
    Check out the current Consumer Reports Annual Auto Issue. They called Hyundai the most improved brand. Had great things to say about Elantra and Santa Fe. Too bad they haven't tested an '00/'01 Sonata or '01 XG300. If they did and if the reliability holds, CR likely will start giving Hyundai some coveted "recommendeds".
  • terrell78terrell78 Member Posts: 4
    I am nearing the 30K mark on my 99 sonata GLS. I called the dealer to schedule my 30,000 service work and asked how much it would cost. I was floored when he told me that the work would cost $375. Is this a reasonable price? What are other dealers charging? Thanks alot
  • giowagiowa Member Posts: 599
    Look at your owner's manual to see the list of what should be done. Make sure your dealer does what is supposed to be done but nothing that isn't recommended or otherwise needed. If you want to check on price validity, maybe you could call dealer(s) up to price out each separate item? Add up the numbers and see what it would cost to do one item at a time.
  • astrolastrol Member Posts: 312
    Most dealers charge between $300-400 for each 30K. Any make, any model...it usually doesn't matter.

    Be aware that there are many competing service outfits with lower pricing for just this kind of thing. Keep your work receipts and there should be no problem. I've noticed some dealers feeling the squeeze. Just a few years back it was quite common for them to charge nearly $400 for timing belt replacement. Now many have their prices set around $250-275, much more reasonable.
  • drimpledrimple Member Posts: 47
    The dealership I go to charges $340 for their 30k service. It includes: oil and filter change, steering gear rack, linkage and boot inspection, front brake pad, caliper and rotor inspection, rear brake and handbrake inspection, brake line and hoses leak checked, suspention mounts retorqued, front wheel alignment, power steering inspection, alternator belt ajustment, tire rotation, exhaust system inspection, a/c servicing, automatic transaxle fluid and filter replacement or manual transaxle oil replacement, brake fluid replacement, air cleaner element replacement, spark plug replacement (4 cylinder only), engine coolant replacement, and fuel line inspection.

    Hope that helps.
  • ohmar834ohmar834 Member Posts: 8
    Just turned over 3000 miles on our 2001` Sonota base. We got the White Pearl with Pkg 2
    Plus carpeted floor mats, cargo net, mud gauards, remote keyless entry, wind deflector and
    full front end bra. We are located in northern Illinois 100 miles west of Chicago. Drive away price
    inc. tax and license plus exstended warrenty and paint and fabric protection and undercoating
    was $18900.00 . what a great car . Sure beats the Toyota we traded in.
    Ohmar
  • giowagiowa Member Posts: 599
    Too bad about buying the paint & fabric protection and undercoating. These spiffs are pure profit to the dealer and of little or no value (and in case of undercoating, may be harmful). Price you paid ended up being similar to what I did 5/00 for my fully loaded Sonata GLS V6 w/Pkg 13 & 5 speed. And I did mine by inter-dealer trade between Omaha and Chicagoland dealers. (I refused to pay for the bogus pinstripe, fabric protector, and paint sealant that the Chicagoland dealer was trying to get $900 for on the little additional window sticker.)
  • astrolastrol Member Posts: 312
    Pay no attention to Giowa. Something probably didn't agree with him at dinner.

    I, on the other hand, salt of the earth that I am, consider you a happy camper and that's good enough for me. I figure if you're happy with the deal, who am I to argue?

    As you can no doubt tell, we are a proud bunch when it comes to our car deals and we do usually like to seek the greatest bargain which generally translates into few, if any, frills. While I agree with Giowas' sentiments on this everyone has their own priorities. You may be the kind of car shopper who always pays for the extras and if so, so be it.

    I would be interested in the breakdown of the deal if you would oblige, including add-ons. Many people list their deals here but they are not always describing the same thing. Some give out- the-door, others final price, etc. It can get confusing.

    Agree about Toyo. Overpriced and under-warrantied.

    Good Luck with your new ride.
  • giowagiowa Member Posts: 599
    Odd. You tell ohmar834 to not pay attention to my post, but that you agree with the sentiment I expressed.

    I hope you are not wrongly encouraging buyers to buy expensive and unnecessary undercoating, paint, and fabric protection packages from dealers. These are a pure profit area for them. Cost dealer next to nothing and charge buyer hundreds or more. And where is the evidence the products do what are claimed? Whether it is automotive press (C&D, MT, R&T) or consumer press (CR) or car buying books, these type after sale add ons are uniformly panned.

    Methinks ohmar834 ended up not getting such a good total deal. Hope other buyers don't get taken on the protection package profit scam. Buyers beware. Study up and don't fall for the sales pitches when you are talking to the finance and spiff guys!!!
  • astrolastrol Member Posts: 312
    There is no contradiction. I agree with your sentiments, just not the expression of them in the face of a happy Sonata owner, that's all.

    If ohmar834 had made a claim about the necessity of such items or that they somehow improved or enhanced his car over others, I would have joined you. But he didn't.

    So let him pay for a pure Silver jack and tire
    iron if he wishes. Ain't no skin off my nose. Besides, we don't know anything else about the purchase other than it was made. There are always going to be some people who pay for the 'extras', for whatever reasons. Obviously he doesn't like to dicker but who are we to mind?
  • ohmar834ohmar834 Member Posts: 8
    I know you guys are trying to help and I thank you I have already learned more about Sonatas' here than anywhere. Not that I would argue for the merits of what I did for everyone for me I thought it was a wise thing. living in Illinois where they use bookoo salt on the roads I felt I wanted plenty of protection on the paint and because I pivked up the car on Jan. 15th I knew I would not be able to wax her for a long time. Plus i don't have a garage and the car sits out in all the bad stuff we get here . As for the fabric protection 1 week after delivery my brother in law bless him spilt coffe on the back floor mat and seat but with the fabric guard it came off fine with just water So there you go. As to the numbers I was able with the help of the figures from Edmonds to keep them from jacking the price up from the start. I got the MSRP to 3% over dealer invoice which included the addvertising cost which was a touchy subject for them.I may not have got the best deal on the planet but I saved one bundle over our origanal plans to bye a Toyota Camry.
  • astrolastrol Member Posts: 312
    Good for you. I know what irks me and probably Giowa about these things is that sometimes they charge you for it and don't even apply it. At least in your case they did and it turns out you needed it right away. As to the salt, I share your trepidation but the standard undercoating should have sufficed. I mean, it is warrantied.

    I am a fan of the White Pearl. It is the one color in my area that is seldom seen. It and the Black are my favorites with the beige interior. Let's see...mine is Silver and I like the White Pearl and the Black...hmmmm...I guess I'm not too much into colors.
  • giowagiowa Member Posts: 599
    If you really gotta blow that much dough, why not at least have some fun? Blow it on gambling, lotto tickets, liquor, gentlemens' clubs, throw in the air. Or do something nice and give to the poor. But don't throw it away at the dealership.

    My silver '00 Sonata GLS will go over 17,000 miles tomorrow. I don't garage it. I live in the midwest. Brutal heat in summer and terrible winters. Road salt, bird dung, tar, you name it. And I've got two kids under 11. I drive my Sonata for work purposes. But I've also carefully studied what automotive, consumer, and car-buying guide press have all clearly indicated in regard to these dealer protection packages. Don't buy. They are way over priced and there is no evidence they do what they claim (e.g., undercoating). And you can do for the car what they claim to do, just for a lot less $$$.

    Your Hyundai comes standard with the best warranty in America. Just take care of her.

    If you don't like to do anything yourself (or hate applying a bit of elbow grease), and you really gotta have, you are much better off negotiating these things with companies that specialize in them.

    I recommend just doing some of it yourself. Regular careful washing and periodic waxing beats paint sealant and undercoating. Even with the sealant, you still need to wash and wax. You can buy cans of FabricGuard at local dept or discount store and apply yourself, just like the dealer (but he charges you hundreds of dollars for a couple dollars protectant and 5 minutes of labor time). And don't forget to vacuum inside regularly and periodically apply things like ArmorAll to inside surfaces.

    As author Remar Sutton has been saying for the past 20 years in his classic, in print, work: "Don't Get Taken Every Time". In the 2nd revised edition I have, 1991, his thoughts on this subject are found in the section, p. 251, on "dealing with the toughest gimmicks at the dealership... Protection Packages, Warranties: Should You Buy from the Dealers at Any Price? Rustproofing, undercoating, glazing: Don't buy from the dealer. You can buy better...for hundreds less from other sources. But do you need it? Probably not... Don't waste your money."
  • drimpledrimple Member Posts: 47
    Nothing you say is going to take away the deal that Omar got. The important thing is that he feels good about the deal and loves his new Sonata. So what if he got dealer packages. That was his choice and his money, not yours!

    Welcome to the world of Sonata ownership, Omar. I know you will love your car!
  • jdubois1jdubois1 Member Posts: 4
    Hello all,

    I just purchased a brand new 2000 Sonata GLS. Its a fantastic car!! The only thing I have noticed is that my rear-right window emitts an annoying rattle anytime I go over a bump! It is really frustrating. I can make the rattle go away by very slightly lowering the window by tapping on the window button. However, it annoys me that I should have to do this with a brand new car. I have inspected the window and the window seating and everything looks fine. I have an appointment with my dealer this Friday, but can anyone make any suggestions as to what could be wrong?

    Thanks in advance!

    ]d
  • astrolastrol Member Posts: 312
    Drimple---
    You know I'm down!

    Jdubois1---
    I think I have the exact same problem with my '00 GLS. Same window, same everything. Lower the window, even a little...goes away. Actually I found it to be a buzzing vibration over broken pavement or unsettled road. I have tracked it to something just along and slightly under the armrest. Open your door and thump it along the edge where the inner panel meets the metal. Listen for the sound. I think it is a part of the inner mechanism or frame that needs some foam. Do me a favor and post your build date. (You can find it on the drivers door frame) Mine is Mar. 21 '00. There may be a connection. Mine is also going in very soon for oil service and this problem. Let me know what happens with yours. TIA
  • hdcsehdcse Member Posts: 19
    Hi, folks. Took delivery of a new V6 5spd 500 miles ago. I, too, was smitten with the value ($15,868 out the door) and warranty. Something troubles me, though: second gear synchronizer grinds slightly when the transmission is cold. I only drive manual transmissions so it is unlikely my driving style. I am domiciled in NH.. where it is quite cold in the winter, but I have never had transmission problems with any vehicle attributable to the temperature. I have read that earlier Sonatas were upgraded with revised syncros. My 2001 should have the revision. Has anyone else been troubled with less-than-perfect gear engagement?
  • giowagiowa Member Posts: 599
    1. hdcse (#719): Mega congrats on the V-6 5-speed!!! They are rare and you have joined a select group of truly enlightened owners! My '00 Sonata GLS V-6 w/5-speed & Pkg 13 now has over 16,000 miles on it. I haven't done anything to syncros or clutch since I bought her. She was more "notchy" in first & second when new than now, and more "notchy" in cold weather. I live in the midwest. The only poster I remember seeing anything about revised synrcros was herne. He is from Australia. Been a while since he's posted. You might cull thru the old posts to see his last comments. Thinking there are some here on Pt. 3, and sometime since 1/1/01. If you have any work done, please let us know. I'm very hesitant to have any such work done, fearing what might end up will be worse than what I have. What I have isn't too bad. I do mostly rural and interstate driving so I'm not in 1st and 2nd constantly. And the "notchiness" has gotten better over time.

    2. drimple (#716): I thought one of the functions of this site is to tell people the truth, to educate better buyers, promote better Hyundais, and straighten out bad dealers or poor sales/service practices. If ohmar834 got the protection packages for free and they do what they purport to do, then that is one thing (which I don't think happened). If, however, he paid a lot of money for the protection packages, then he did NOT get a good overall deal. We should help future buyers avoid wasting their money. If he paid $1,000 for the protection packages, that was $1,000 in options he could've had for the same money. Buy more car, don't help the dealer's profit margin. Fairly simple concept! And one we should be encouraging.

    Hey, we all make mistakes. I've never forgiven myself for allowing my mother to buy undercoating, paint & fabric protection when she bought her new '83 Caprice Classic. I was only 20 and it was her money. But we learned (i.e., they were over priced big time and didn't do much) and she has avoided the mistake the last two times I helped her negotiate buying new cars (a '93 Concorde & '00 Lincoln LS6). As for me, I've always avoided it on the 11 new vehicles I bought for self or wife since '90, or the used cars I bought before that.
  • mietushmietush Member Posts: 7
    By the way I was listening to heartbreaker ( Led Zep) when i was pulled over and it was not in the reverse mode. I agree with you, here in Canada ( beaucoup froid et sel ) the dealers have been encouraged by who knows who to sell the protection package including undercoating, additional protection and want not.. I told the dealer to forget about all those little pamphlets he was showing me considering the excellent warranty offered by Hyundai. I am leasing the car for 3 years and do not expect any unexpected problem within a 60,000Km period.
    I think they were trained to offer the package and it is a " consumer beware " situation where one has to be considering a long term option.
    I am not saying it is bad, it just has to be weighted with the overall usage plan of the automobile.
    Otherwise, the car is fantastic and I am rather impressed after my former experiences with Honda Civic, Jetta and Mitshubishi 2000.

    Cheers for now
  • herneherne Member Posts: 18
    Hi all,
    Nice to see that you are retaining your enthusiasm for your new Sonatas.
    In response to the queries on the replacement of the synchros in my Sonata.
    I have now covered about 1,500 kilometres since the work was carried out and can report a noticable improvement. My car was actually built 12/99 so is quite an early 2000 model. The work was to replace the synchronisers as the lead in angle had been changed to help rectify a notchy gearchange.
    I would not worry about it at 500 miles as it the car is not run in at that mileage. I suggest to wait until about 5000 miles before getting too concerned.
    I do notice that the gearchange into 2nd is still a bit notchy when cold but quite OK when warmed up.
    I worked for a Toyota dealer a few years ago and remember that they had the same problem of a notchy gearchange when cold with some models available then. The fix was to change the oil for automatic transmission fluid which is lighter.
    I am still happy with my car.
    It is coming into winter here in Australia and summer for you Americans/Canadians. I guess that we can't have the perfect weather all the time. :)))))
  • markperkinsmarkperkins Member Posts: 3
    My '99 GLS V6 5 speed now has 20k miles. It was more notchy in 1 and 2 when newer, better now, but still somewhat affected by cold weather (when we have it in central California).

    By the way, since we all do love to brag about our deals...

    Bought mine 1 year ago with power sunroof and CD/Cassete for $15,000 out the door and got the 0.9% 48 month financing (could have paid $1,000 less and financed myself). It had 2k dealer rep miles, so I got the remainder of warranty. 9.5 years and 98k miles. I also retain the option to sell with the "2nd owner warranty of 5 years, 50k miles". Mine is Napoli Blue, I would have preferred Pearl White, but I am "driven" by getting the best value.

    Then we bought my wife a 2000 GLS V6 automatic in June 2000. Brand new out the door, just under $15,000 with "owner loyalty" rebate. We provided our own financing. We could have bought her a rep model with a 2-3k miles, but she had to have the pearl white.

    Bought both from a friend who is a GM at a San Diego dealership.

    Giowa was right in earlier posts about not wasting money, just needs to put it more tactfully.

    I could be saying to my wife or Giowa "You didn't get my deal, so you threw away money you fools...". But see, I didn't :-), so they won't feel bad. I mean they got what they wanted and paid what they felt it was worth.
  • giowagiowa Member Posts: 599
    1. Feel free to point out my foibles and alert me when I'm making or have made a mistake!!! Tact is NOT my middle name. And I have a warped sense of humor.

    2. You don't say what option Pkg you have. For both cars??? From your description, doesn't sound like Pkg 13 for either. Your 5-speed was a used car. Hard to tell if you got a good deal. Methinks maybe not, except it is the rare V-6 5-speed???

    3. I paid $18,400 in 5/00 for my brand new, 32 miles on odometer, '00 Sonata GLS w/Pkg 13 and 5-speed. Off a $20,262 MSRP. I got 0.9% 48 month financing. I didn't qualify for any owner loyalty money. And this car was the only V-6 Pkg 13 5-speed in a 10-State area and I had to do an interdealer trade with a dealer about 400 miles away. So I think the price I paid was quite good for the circumstances. I did NOT pay for the bogus $900 Autobahn Protection Package applied by the Illinois dealer (pin stripe, paint sealant, and mud guards).

    People like me who will only buy the hardest to find make or model will pay more than others who can accept a broader variety. I could've shaved off some bucks if I would've bought one of the local dealer's lot Pkg 13 automatics. But I still got a great deal, better than most because I negotiate hard and will walk if I don't get a good, reasonable deal. So I wouldn't have wanted nor would I have taken your deal.
  • green101green101 Member Posts: 5
    Hello I am new to the Town Hall and just happened to stumble across this site while looking for some information on repair work for 99 Sonata.
    Here is my situation. I went out to start my car Sunday morning and it did not start. I turned the key one more time, still no luck. So I asked my husband to go try and he turned the key once also. Because of the warranty he doesn't even open the hood up and said let's take the truck. So later when we got home 5 hours later he tried one more time and still nothing. We had the car towed to the "local" dealer, on Sunday. Talked to them on Monday and they claimed the car was "flooded" and the Platinum plugs needed to be changed and they did not think Hyundai would pay for them. To make a long story short, we did not get out car back until Thursday evening and told them right from the start that we were not going to pay $250 to have spark plugs changed! They also told us Hyundai would not cover them because 90% of the time it is the customers fault. So finally on Thursday they did call us and told us we could come and get the car, it took them 4 days to figure out that the plugs are self cleaning!!! They told us they took it for a drive and then the plugs burn a little hotter than regular plugs so that allows then to self clean!
    I told them the "end result" may have been flooding but there was an initial problem that caused the car to not start on the "first" try. I asked them if they checked loose wires and computer chips. They said Yes we had it on our "machine" and nothing showed up so we are puzzled of why this happened!
    I am thinking of taking the car to another dealer and having a diagnostic test done.
    Does anyone have any advice or have had a simular experience? The car is a 99 Sonata GLS v6 with 15,000 miles.
    Thanks green101
  • astrolastrol Member Posts: 312
    I take it the car cranked---but just would not start. If the car sat for many hours and still would not start, flooding is not the culprit.

    Based on the facts you present I would never put your car back into that dealers hands again. The mechanic or service rep who gave you that song and dance is an idiot. Take your Sonata to another dealer and ask for a diagnostic on the ECM and fuel/ignition check-up.

    I'm sure you are aware of the fuel fill-up bugaboo and the hard starting that can cause. Also, by now your car should have received the Recall service on the Mass Air Flow sensor. It would be logical to eliminate either of these as contributory.

    Good Luck.
  • sonatafansonatafan Member Posts: 171
    If the car was flooded it would have started after sitting 5 hours. Also in most situations, if plugs are fouled it will still start, you will just get degraded performance. I noticed you said it's a `99 V-6 model, have you had the recall issue (MAF sensor harness) taken care of? There was another one that presented itself as a TSB that involved a faulty valve in the emission system that would cause stalling or no start after completely filling the gas tank.
  • green101green101 Member Posts: 5
    Thank you for your advice. I just needed some encouragement that we "were" getting the run around with the dealer.

    Also in regards to the initial problem, my husband describes the noise upon starting was a "zing sound". And he feels it was/is a starter problem. He is not gifted in this area so it is hard for both of us to know reasons when problems occur. I feel the dealer kept stalling and was waiting for us to just say "go ahead and fix it I need my car back" and for us to pay. When we didn't back down they finally decided to tell us on Thursday the plugs are self cleaning and give us our car back.

    I did have the MA recall serviced in December.
    Not aware of the "fuel fill-up bugaboo".
    (My car was 1/4 tank full when problem started)
    What does the ECM on the diagnostic check stand for?
    And one last question, do I need to take the Sonata to another "Hyundai" dealer for servicing to be covered under warranty or can I go to a local service garage that services foreign cars?
    Thanks for your help
  • sonatafansonatafan Member Posts: 171
    If your tank was only 1/4 full then don't worry about the "bugaboo". The ECM is the Engine Control Module, which is the computer that controls most engine functions. If there is a problem with the engine that can be detected by the ECM sensors it will store a "trouble code" that can be read by the dealerships diagnstic equipment.

    And lastly, to keep your warranty valid, it's a good idea to take it to another Hyundai authorized service center.
  • excel88excel88 Member Posts: 8
    Well, it took a month to get my wife's 2000 Sonata in for service and, as I expected and as you suggested, they weren't able to detect the grinding noise at start-up or while driving. The mechanic and the service manager both took the car home to eliminate any noise from the service bay. Nothing. The mechanic said it might be from what I think he described as a vacuum door, but he couldn't be sure. They also checked with Hyundai, and there have been reports of similar problems, but couldn't help unless they heard it on this car. Finally, the mechanic suggested using a tape recorder at start-up, in the slim chance it could be captured on tape. At this stage, I'll try anything. But we did take your other advice and are driving the car more, because it is, as you said, a pleasure to drive.

    So, that's the story to date. I just wanted to update you and anybody else who may have the same problem. Again, thanks for your suggestions.

    Film at eleven!!!
  • sonatavasonatava Member Posts: 75
    A few weeks ago after I had taken my car through a car wash, the next day when I went to start it, it cranked but wouldn't start. I figured it was the recall problem since I haven't had it done yet, so I let it sit a couple of days. A few days later I tried to start it, kept on letting it crank and giving it gas, and zoom-zoom-zoom, it started. It was probably some moisture in the tank, since it was about 1/4 full, and the day it stopped starting was one of those days with a drastic change in temperature. I filled the tank and added some dry-gas and haven't had the problem since.

    My white pearl '00 GLS pkg 10 goes in Monday for the recall work, a handbrake adjustment and replacement of the moonroof gasket.

    My opinion on the $250 spark plug job: dealer's service depts are always looking for ways to make a buck. A friend took his '00 Accord in for an oil change and they tried to tell him he needed new brakes already (at 11,000 miles).
  • astrolastrol Member Posts: 312
    Excel88---
    Glad to hear you are using and enjoying the car. We are lucky to have such good rides for the money. Stay in touch.

    Green101---
    Sonatafan covered all the bases except for maybe the 'bugaboo'.
    This is the simple requirement at fill-up that you screw your gas cap on until you hear at least three clicks. Otherwise you may suffer a hard starting episode. The filler tube must be pressurized to a degree so the emissions sensors can work properly.
    Also, I fully agree that you should seek Hyundai only service otherwise you will be paying out of pocket. I'm sure a reputable service dept. can be found.
    You husband sounds dead right about the 'zing'. The starter motor can be pulled and examined for gear stripping, if any.

    Sonatava---
    I had the same kind of episode back in January with the same result. I chose to never gas again at that station and have not had a repeat. In my case it was ice crystals as that was the coldest day of the Winter.

    Cheers everybody! I am happy because Maryland is back to the sweet sixteen once again. If coach Williams could ever get a team to the elite eight I think I'd fall down with a happy seizure.
  • drimpledrimple Member Posts: 47
    I just got a card in the mail from Hyundai wishing me and my car a happy one year aniversary!
  • giowagiowa Member Posts: 599
    Did they send the card to you or your car? Just wondering if they know the name of your car. (Guessing you have a name for her. Thinking most guys do, esp. if they like their car.) :)
  • mel52_2000mel52_2000 Member Posts: 5
    Here's a quick post to help prospective 01 Sonata car buyers get a great deal on a Sonata. I recently purchased a brand spankin new Slate Gray GLS with leather, option 13, moonroof and wind deflector, floor mats, mudguards, spoiler and keyless entry remote system for $18,563 at Jeff Wyler's in Springfield, OH. I am certain that this is a great deal based on Edmunds TMV pricing. Bargain hard as this is a great time to buy.
  • astrolastrol Member Posts: 312
    I think you just might have topped my deal. I suggest you submit the particulars to Edmunds and they will send you an e-mail rating and statistics showing how you did comparatively.

    Below is a copy of the e-mail they sent me:

    Street Price Survey for New Car Buyers
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    Compare your deal with others on 2000 Hyundai Sonata GLS V6

    Finance Transactions from 2000-04-25 - 2000-09-05
    11 Responses

    Measures Your Response Total Responses
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------
    MSRP $21247.0 $19268.45 (avg.)
    $18087.0 (min.)
    $21347.0 (max.)

    Price Paid $18685.0 $17404.55 (avg.)
    $15344.0 (min.)
    $20062.0 (max.)

    Discount Percentage from MSRP 12.06% 9.79% (avg.)
    0.0% (min.)
    15.81% (max.)

    Customer Rebate $1000.0 $1333.33 (avg.)
    $1000.0 (min.)
    $2000.0 (max.)

    Annual Percentage Rate 4.9% 5.64% (avg.)
    0.9% (min.)
    12.5% (max.)

    Total Amount Financed $17816.25 $14780.7 (avg.)
    $1563.94 (min.)
    $21353.0 (max.)

    Term 60.0 55.09 (avg.)
    36.0 (min.)
    66.0 (max.)

    Monthly Payment $336.03 $344.88 (avg.)
    $250.26 (min.)
    $439.0 (max.)

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------

    OVERALL RATING OF DEAL
    (5=excellent, 1=poor) 5.0 4.27 (avg.)

    REASON FOR CHOOSING THE VEHICLE
    Styling X 72.73% (avg.)
    Value X 100.0% (avg.)
    Reliability X 45.45% (avg.)
    Safety X 63.64% (avg.)
    Performance X 45.45% (avg.)
    Comfort and Features X 90.91% (avg.)

    DID YOU GET THE EXACT MODEL AND OPTIONS YOU WANTED?
    Exactly X 72.73% (avg.)
    Almost 27.27% (avg.)
    Somewhat 0.0% (avg.)
    Not Really 0.0% (avg.)

    OVERALL SATISFACTION WITH VEHICLE
    (5=excellent, 1=poor) 5.0 4.64 (avg.)

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Financed Through Dealer No 81.82% (avg.)

    Vehicle Traded In No 36.36% (avg.)

    Trade in Allowance $0.0 $71.33 (avg.)

    Did you get the auto? I did. Does your keyless have the alarm? Mine does. And did you get the net? Yup, I did. Except for the spoiler, which I did not get, these seem to be the only unknowns. Also my deal
    was with a no-haggle dealer with set, posted internet prices.

    Good Luck with your new love.
  • mel52_2000mel52_2000 Member Posts: 5
    Here's a quick post to help prospective 01 Sonata car buyers get a great deal on a Sonata. I recently purchased a brand spankin new Slate Gray GLS with leather, option 13, moonroof and wind deflector, floor mats, mudguards, spoiler and keyless entry remote system for $18,563 at Jeff Wyler's in Springfield, OH. I am certain that this is a great deal based on Edmunds TMV pricing. Bargain hard as this is a great time to buy.
  • mel52_2000mel52_2000 Member Posts: 5
    Astrol,
    Yes I got the automatic tranny, no cargo net(go figure,)keyless only no alarm and that price included freight costs of $495. I used my home equity loan so it was a cash deal to the dealership. I have already ordered a universal cargo net from an aftermarket supplier for $16. That's cheaper than invoice.
  • astrolastrol Member Posts: 312
    That is a great deal! Considering that 01's have increased $60 on the Dest. and $300 or so on the car.

    There are just a few slight differences in our purchases but I must bow to the king of deal makers. You got the spoiler and dealt with the cost increases while I got the alarm and a net...(of course, then again, I didn't have to make the deal at all...just walked in and picked it up.)

    All hail the deal maker!
  • truemoon2truemoon2 Member Posts: 1
    Bought a 2001 Sonata 4-cyl. about a month ago. About a week later, I noticed a whistling noise whose source and direction I cannot determine. It occurs at all speeds all the time. A service rep at the dealer test drove and noticed it also, but says he is clueless. He said other Sonatas have the same noise, and so does the GX300 he recently drove. I recommended that he contact Hyundai Motors about it, but he seemed less than enthusiastic about the idea.

    With the radio on, the noise isn't very noticeable, but with it off the noise tends to be a little irritating. Other than this, my wife and I really like the car.

    So, Sonata owners, have you noticed this too?
  • astrolastrol Member Posts: 312
    I have noticed a slight turbine-like air whistle from the beginning with the V-6, more noticeable on coasting. I do not know if the intake assemblies are similar on both engines but have always felt it was intake related on mine. Also, there is a small noise, like a spring boinging into place, a few seconds after first pull-away. Seems to come from the rear but I could be mistaken.

    Neither of these bothers me and seem to be some feature of a mechanical function working properly in the car. I do hate the rough road buzzing in my rear passenger door but that will be addressed this week.
  • drimpledrimple Member Posts: 47
    I don't experience any of the noises that astrol or truemoon have brought up. The only noise I ever hear is the rattling of the cigarette lighter adapter for my cell phone when it sits in the glove box.
  • giowagiowa Member Posts: 599
    Sounds like you got a great deal! Wonder if it helped that you weren't trying to get any special financing. Did they try to make you pay advertising charge? Push any protection packages (paint, fabric, undercoating)? How many other Sonatas did they have on the lot? How many w/Pkg 13? What is the build date of your '01? How long had it sat on dealer's lot?

    Way to go. At that price, you beat similarly equipped Accords, Camrys, Maximas, Galants, and 626s by anywhere from $3-8 thousand dollars.

    (At $18,400 off a $20,262 MSRP w/0.9% financing for 48 months in May '00, I think I got a great deal on my GLS Pkg 13 w/5-speed. Esp. considering my local dealer knew I wanted this one specific vehicle and no other, and we had to do a long distance inter-dealer trade on a very hard to find one-of-a-kind in my 10-State region. Might've helped me that dealer had had it on his lot for about 8 months unable to sell it. He might've been desperate to sell.) :)
  • sonatavasonatava Member Posts: 75
    My GLS only makes a whistling noise (almost seems like tire vibrations transmitted to the body) on windy days when I'm going on roads with a 45mph speed limit. The other whistle-type noise is on a cold morning when it's not fully warmed up, in that you can hear a whistling consistent with the revs of the engine, similar to the whistle of a turbo engine.

    Yesteday I got the recall work done, the handbrake adjusted, and the moonroof leak fixed (I hope). I guess they only "adjusted" the moonroof since it was only leaking in the back. I could tell that the gasket hadn't been replaced, seeing that there was a small tear in the gasket at the front. I had always thought the tear was some sort of tab (it's almost dead center) but I fixed it with some silicone for now. These next few rainy days will let me know whether or not to insist on a new gasket, since it still looks like the rear part isn't seated high enough.

    I highly recommend spraying down the fabric seats with fabric protectant before taking it into the shop for any reason. The dot of gray grease on the passenger's seat came out with the spray foam cleaner, but all the zigzags left on the driver's seat were hard as heck to remove. There's still two faint dots on the base fabric. I'm assuming it was a mechanic's un-capped ballpoint pen in a left rear pocket that did the horrific art. I didn't discover the damage until I got home, after waiting forever for the car to be ready, so I figured that getting irate wasn't worth it. The car certainly runs quieter after the recall work, and runs as smooth as the first day I bought her, so I can't complain. Also picked-up the shop manual for $45 for later reference (my brother's a mechanic).
  • mel52_2000mel52_2000 Member Posts: 5
    Yes they tried to nail me for $560 in advertising after we had negotiated my price. I got up and was prepared to walk since I had already warned him several days earlier that I would not be paying advertising or any other ups or extras. Luckily they did not push any rust/paint/fabric protection as I had told them up front NO to all those. I do not know what the build date is. I don't want to walk all the way out to the parking lot just now but the car was in transit to the dealership when negotiations began on the car. It was physically on the lot 5 days before I sealed the deal. I told the dealership I had never paid advertising on a car purchased here and I wasn't about to start. Especially on a car that just arrived. They virtually had the car sold to me before it ever arrived. I had to wait those 5 days for the invoicing to arrive. They had a number of Sonatas on the lot from opt 2,to gls. They only had 3 opt 13 on the lot including mine at the time of sale. I actually waited almost 2 weeks for this car to arrive. It was on their list of incoming shipments, it was the color and equipment I wanted minus the cargo net so I began negotiating from that moment on. They knew I would settle for grey black or silver so I had a small advantage and was not locked into a specific color to diminish my negotiating position. I have read that all dealers are desperate to sell cars the last few months. I actually wanted to buy on or about 28 Feb but couldn't get the car in time. Most dealers have over 3 months of inventory on their lots right now and that spells good deals for you and disaster for them if they don't start moving them at any cost. Production levels are still constant and cars are piling up on the lots due to the "recession". Thank you George W. Bush !
  • mel52_2000mel52_2000 Member Posts: 5
    What exactly is the recall campaign you speak of? Are there any other recalls on this car? Is yours an 00 or an 01?
  • sonatavasonatava Member Posts: 75
    Mine's a 2000 GLS.
    The website is www.nhtsa.dot.gov
    Type in the info for a 2000 Hyundai Sonata or Elantra and it'll tell you everything you need to know. It involves re-routing the Mass Air Flow sensor to prevent a stalling problem. My car was very near the end of the build dates affected, which probably explains why I haven't received anything in the mail yet. The Base Sonata's (4 cyl's) are not affected, neither are '01 models.
  • astrolastrol Member Posts: 312
    Click on over to the Hyundai company news site at:


    http://www.prnewswire.com/gh/cnoc/comp/424987.html


    and check out the Mar. 19 story. It looks like we might get yet another high lux Hyundai bigger and badder than the XG. Also, the new Elantra GT will be coming soon at a great price. Now if they can just get the '02 Sonata over here looking like it does in Korea, Hyundai will be sitting pretty.

  • sonatavasonatava Member Posts: 75
    I have a question for all of you who have sunroofs. This morning I was back at the dealership because the sunroof was still leaking along the back. They checked it and said that it has 2 drains in the front and 2 in the back, and that one of the drains in the back was clogged, but to bring the car back if it still leaks and they'll call in a specialist. My question is, does y'all's sunroofs leak a little along the back when it rains, or does mine just need a new gasket? Knowing that the drains are there is comforting, but feeling how much water seeps through the rear seal makes me nervous. The rear part of the seal sits lower than the roof enough for a little water to collect in it.

    I also suspect that they add a little fuel treatment with each service to give the customer the impression of a smoother running engine (= better service = happy customer). This morning as I drove off, I found that the accelerator responded as if it had high-test gas in it, same feel as two days ago when I had some work done. Just a thought.
  • astrolastrol Member Posts: 312
    Sorry to hear about your trouble. How long has this been going on? It sounds like a new gasket is in order. My roof sits fairly flush all the way around with no low spots.

    Are you saying that there is a persistent leak? Or is it that some water collects and if you open the roof too soon you get some drips?
  • killerkkillerk Member Posts: 55
    Hyundai Founder Chung Ju Yung, Korean Builder, Dies

    Seoul, March 21 (Bloomberg) -- Hyundai Group founder Chung Ju Yung, who built a construction company into what was once South Korea's largest industrial group, died today of complications from
    pneumonia, Munwha Broadcasting Corp. and other local television stations said.
    Chung, 86, was the honorary chairman of Hyundai Group, which owns the world's largest shipbuilder and the world's second-largest memory-chip maker. His career long symbolized to South
    Koreans the nation's transformation from the poverty that followed the 1950-53 civil war to one of the world's most successful export economies.
    ``He helped Korea out from the depths of poverty, and that's what he ought to be remembered for,'' said Richard Steers, a professor at the University of Oregon and author of ``Made in Korea: Chung Ju Yung and the Rise of Hyundai.''
    Chung was born the son of a farmer in Tongchon, now a town in North Korea, and received only a primary education. As a teenager he ran away with money from selling his father's cow, and survived by delivering rice by bicycle in Seoul and laboring on the docksat Inchon, a nearby port.
    Japan's defeat in 1945 brought an end to its colonization of Korea, and the peninsula was divided into Soviet and American zones of occupation. Chung's first business venture was repairing trucks for U.S. armed forces in the southern half, and in 1947 he started Hyundai (``modern'') Engineering & Construction, and
    became the first contractor to win overseas business.

    -- I just wanted to let you guys know...
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