Toyota Camry 2006 and earlier

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  • jarednoahjarednoah Member Posts: 20
    For a Camry to be worth 30k+ is just too much. I could get an Acura TL for that. More prestige for less money.
  • jvkalrajvkalra Member Posts: 98
    on the SE. That about sums it up for me. The spoiler will appeal to people in their 50s who are trying to project a younger image, but not to younger people, IMO.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Member Posts: 1,467
    I happen to like the new Camry, and I am no where near 50 years old. The SE model appeals to me only though.
  • vmaturovmaturo Member Posts: 71
    I agree......
    I think mud flaps are necessary anywhere. Without them too many things fly up and damage and dirty the lower part of the car. A necessary evil.

    Too many things added by Toyota dealers. I'm surprised they aren't still putting on Undercoating to prop up the profit.

    There is a lot to like about this car. I drove the SE 4cyl. I can't imagine driving this car in non SE form. The SE I drove even had a strut tower brace. I thought that was cool. More cars should have them since they are so cheap. Why not?
    But the SE does need to be a 6cyl. I'll drive that soon.

    You have to look at any car as a total package. Not it's individual parts. There is NO car that pleases everybody. No car is all things to all people. That's life.
  • ravvie4meravvie4me Member Posts: 110
    "For a Camry to be worth 30k+ is just too much. I could get an Acura TL for that. More prestige for less money."

    Hasn't this been beat to death?

    Anyway, most people are going to buy the LE model, and that's what Toyota is concerned with right now, pricing it so it keeps even frugal Camry buyers in the fold, as well as buyers moving up from the Corolla. The SE and XLE are for people who can afford to splurge for more sport or luxury, respectively, out of the Camry.

    However if I wanted a luxurious Camry, I would get the Avalon, otherwise the Camry wins out.

    -RAVvie4me
  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Member Posts: 932
    I just backed up my mom's Avalon from the side of the house and drove it into the garage. That thing is a monster! With the new Camry almost equaling the length of the current Avalon....I think I can count myself out of getting a Camry. Definitely would have been nice! I'm only 15 by the way. Perhaps if I get enough laughing gas I can pretend the ECHO is a Camry! Happy driving!
  • jvkalrajvkalra Member Posts: 98
    As I said, the Camry exterior is stylish. But the mandatory spoiler on the SE looks silly on a fairly large sedan like the Camry. It takes away from the otherwise sophisticated look. JM2C.
  • soberssobers Member Posts: 496
    does the color match with the rest of the exterior ? 97-2001 there is a remarkable difference between bumper & body color...!!
  • armtdmarmtdm Member Posts: 2,057
    Where in VA are you and what dealer do you work at?
  • yellamanyellaman Member Posts: 1
    Can someone please tell me where I can get a picture of this new 2002 Camry!!!!!!!!!
  • lenscaplenscap Member Posts: 854
    Go to www.camryman.org
  • ravvie4meravvie4me Member Posts: 110
    And saw a 2002 Camry in person. I went before the dealer opened so I could look at the car in peace (ie no salesmen). The one they had there was a Lunar Mist V6 XLE model. It appeared to be very loaded, with leather, moonroof, and a navigation system, but I'm not sure if it had alloy wheels or not. This one was built in Kentucky (VIN: "4T..."). Like I said before, it had black leather trim, automatic trans., etc, but did not have a sticker so I don't know the retail of the car.
    My impression is that it looked very sharp (silver on black always looks cool), but seems smaller in person than in pictures for some reason. It also looks wider than the previous generation of Camrys, especially the rear end. It doesn't appear to "sag" in the rear like the gen 4 Camry either, so no more bottoming out on the slightest bump. The interior looked pretty roomy, but like I said before, I went before opening, so I had no chance to sit in it. The leather looks smooth as well as the dash. One thing I would change, is put 17-inch rims as opposed to the 16-inchers (on the XLE). Even the VW Jetta (a Corolla sized car) has 17-inchers at least optional. So a car the likes of the Camry should have no problem with bigger tire/rims.
    Overall, the new Camry is a very nice car.

    -RAVvie4me
  • camryv6camryv6 Member Posts: 42
    HOW MUCH MORE HORSE POWER DOES THE 2002 TOYOTA CAMRY V6 HAVE? THANKS
  • ravvie4meravvie4me Member Posts: 110
    The 2002 Camry V6 has 192hp and, I think, 209 lb-ft of torque. Almost the same as the current (2001) Camry V6 1MZ-FE.
    As said before, the low hp rating is probably due to the fact of meeting low-emissions standards in the United States. It's kind of a disappointment, but power should be good enough for a family sedan.

    -RAVvie4me
  • parnolaparnola Member Posts: 141
    Thanks for the great article on Kosaku Yamada. It's nice to hear things from the designer's point of view about why certain decisions were made (such as V6 with 5-speed auto).
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Due to the copyright issues, I did have to remove those posts. I hope you will posts links to the articles in lieu of the full quotes that I had to delete.

    Thanks.

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  • azstanazstan Member Posts: 74
    Went to 2 dealers in Phoenix today. The first one had a Luna Mist SE looked like it was loaded:

    Base price was $23700
    Heated Seats 315
    Package GT #6 4745
    (Nav. etc.)
    Package GU#7 1150
    Dealer Prep. 689
    TOTAL 31054
    I think Toyota has priced itself beyond what it is or is meant to be (at least for me). After owning 3 Camrys...will start to look at other brands.

    Went to the second dealer and the sticker on the 2002 Camry had an Added Dealer Profit of $2500. Salesman told me that at the beginning of the model year they do this because the car is a hot seller. I commented that it was more like arrogance...and left.

    Every time I go to a dealership, talk with a salesman or look at a sticker...I swear that I will never go back.
  • s852s852 Member Posts: 1,051
    I think the huge markup is just for the first few that they really don't want to sell anyaway so they can be available to be viewed by the public until they get their main shipments.
    The dealer I went to only had one 2002 and it was priced at $35,000 with the $5000 dealer-installed chrome wheels.
    I don't think they really expect anyone to buy the car at that price and just want the car to sit on the lot for the time being.
  • bluesky999bluesky999 Member Posts: 253
    I have a total different opinion of mudflaps, although I admit up front I've never gotten them. I spoke to a couple of people that I've known who had them, and they claimed that they didn't help much--they still got the road grime splattered. Secondly, I believe they are bad for the aerodynamics of the car, and that you can kiss your coefficient of drag goodbye if you get them. Don't know if you've noticed the rocker panels on cars that are "lowered" by the young guys doing the mods, but I think even those small panels make a significant change to the Cod. The mudflaps are extremely un aerodynamic. Finally, at least on some cars I don't like the way that they look. In effect, I prefer to just clean the lower panel how ever often it takes to keep it clean. Like I said, the guys I know that had them still had to clean it even with the flaps.

    Azstan: Your comment on arrogance was right on the mark. And I know how you feel about not wanting to go back. Why is it that I can go in a store and have such a pleasant buying experience for such items as computers and even a refrigerator, but some of the car salesman revert to trickery, subterfuge, and miscellaneous forms of chicanery and deceipt that lower them to the level of human barnacles? Must be something in the water.
  • sinjin_dogsinjin_dog Member Posts: 84
    My neighbor just bought a LE, 4 Cy, Lunar Mist at MSRP. He said no fuss, a clean deal.
    The paint of the car did not look all that shiny but it was a good looking Toyota. Now, only Toyota can get real and lower the price !!!!!!!!!!
  • lenscaplenscap Member Posts: 854
    I'm sorry about copying the articles. I was not sure if it was allowed or not.

    In any event, there are two great articles on the development of the 2002 Camry for those interested. Just go to http://www.automotivenews.com The two articles are on the home page.
  • sagarwalsagarwal Member Posts: 12
    Sorry to bring this up again but I have a new twist on this issue. After driving the new XLE (MSRP over 31k w/o nav), I was told by the dealer they are only selling at sticker for now. So I went to the Acura dealer to look at the TL without nav. Until recently, the TL could be had for little over invoice (700-800 over) in this area. Now the Acura dealer says they have had many unhappy Camry buyers coming in and looking at the TL's instead since you can buy it for less than an XLE. But now they are not discounting much since sales are up after the new Camry was released. In fact they have presold their next 3 vehicles coming in.

    Message: Not only did the new Camry pricing turn off prospective XLE buyers, it is indirectly causing price increase of the TL. IMO, TL is still the better value for people looking for the high end vehicle. For someone looking for a less loaded vehicle, Camry (LE) might still be a reasonable option. Think I will wait a few months until dealers start coming down from sticker.
  • azstanazstan Member Posts: 74
    Yes...and as I said in my previous posting, the Dealers are not only selling the new Camry at MSRP, in Phoenix they had the arrogance to add another $2500 to that.

    Free Market Economy or License to Steal?
  • lenscaplenscap Member Posts: 854
    A loaded Camry without nav is about $29,500. I wondering what add-ons the dealer put on the car you drove to make it $31,000+. It shouldn't be that much.

    Also, the prices of the XLE is barely more than the 2001s. Surely Acura can't be responding to the 2002 prices if they are about the same as last year.
  • sbell4sbell4 Member Posts: 446
    If someone likes the added room, new technology and new design of the 2002 Camry the rest is easy. I wouldn't think that any dealer would expect you to buy any car if the money part was not agreeable. It is obvious that most on this board feels that 31k is not the best value for an XLE. Is the Camry XLE a 20k car, 25k? More then 70% of all the new Camry sold will be a 20k car. The Camry is built for the majority not the minority and the majority wanted a larger, more refined, more horsepower, smoother car for 20k and that is what Toyota built. If the 31K XLE is what you want and you feel like 27k is a great value for the car I am sure that there are plenty of dealers that will sell you an XLE for that price.
  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    Exactly.

    : )

    Mackabee
  • sagarwalsagarwal Member Posts: 12
    Dont remember what the exact options were but I'm sure the sticker was 31k...after the sticker shock and "no discounting", didnt bother to write it all down. As far as Acura responding to 2002 Camry pricing, I think (my theory) that many people who wanted a somewhat high end vehicle were waiting for the XLE with nav hoping for a better value than a TL. Now that the pricing of the Camry (in XLE config) is no advantage over the TL, the TL becomes the better value. Acura dealers are taking advantage of this and raising actual transaction prices until the demand softens. I maintain that Camry is probably a fine value in LE config, but at least for me it doesnt make sense to buy the XLE if I can buy the TL for same/less.
  • toledo19toledo19 Member Posts: 119
    If you can tolerate the lack of head room in the TL, by all means the TL is the clear choice!
  • pauleulpauleul Member Posts: 116
    I'm 6' tall and I couldn't tolerate the lack of headroom in my 92 Camry (an otherwise perfect car). I went with a 2001 TL about 8 months ago, didn't want to wait to see what the new Camry would look like. I have no problem with headroom in the TL and after seeing the 02 Camry, am happy with my decision. I paid $28,500 and that is with Nav. Could have gotten a TL without nav for $26,700.

    My wife, on the other hand, is drooling over the new Camry. I just keep pushing her over to where the Highlanders are sitting.

    To each his own! :>)
  • wheels4mewheels4me Member Posts: 36
    when do you think they will be posting the
    prices for the camry 02?
  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    Both are fine automobiles, but different animals.
    The TL is noiser with a firmer ride, similar to the Accord. The Camry is quieter, with a smoother ride, similar to the ES300. So you just have to decide which car suits your needs and go from there. Price will ultimately be the deciding factor. It is up to you.

    : )

    Mackabee
  • s852s852 Member Posts: 1,051
    Actually the TL is quiet and smooth in the base model. It was quieter and smoother than a 2001 ES300. I assume the new 2002 ES300 will be quieter since it is a new design. Maybe the 2002 Camry will be quieter also, but a 2002 base TL is quite quiet.
    However, the Type-S has a firmer ride and the engine/exhaust on the Type-S is noiser than the others.
  • fredvhfredvh Member Posts: 857
    Can anyone tell me if CarsDirect is a good way to purchase a vehicle? Has anyone done this or have taken the quotes to the local Camry dealer and had them match the price? Are any other web car-buying sites better than CarsDirect?
  • s852s852 Member Posts: 1,051
    I would probably buy a car like a Toyota at Carsdirect if they had a price I liked.
    It is very convenient unless you need to have a car right away.
    I probably would not buy a Lexus or Mercedes there because the luxury brand dealers give you lots of perks if you buy from them (such as free car washes, free loaner cars etc.) that you don't get if you buy elsewhere.
  • jcthom4jcthom4 Member Posts: 24
  • soberssobers Member Posts: 496
    called TL or TL-S a noisy car !! Man that was good or what ? The base TL is QUITE/QUITE/QUITE !
    TL-S is laso quite but is firmer & has exhaust tuned for the performance oriented crowd!

    Also, eventhough base Camry has improved in the engine department, the 4 cyl Accord has Vtec technology from 98 !! Also Accord chassis is more sturdy & stable than prev generation. Interior, NOW everybody knows how Camry has made interior on the lines of Accord !! Even though it still uses cost saving rotary buttons instead of the push buttons on the Accord !!
  • ravvie4meravvie4me Member Posts: 110
    Toyota has the 2002 Camry up at it's website at toyota.com. I saw it last night. It has a good amount of photos and info, but you can't use the comparison feature or price the LE V6 or calculate any payments as of yet.

    -RAVvie4me
  • black_tulipblack_tulip Member Posts: 435
    "? The base TL is QUITE/QUITE/QUITE !"

    Quite what?
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    for anyone who is interested, the full MSRP detail of base prices, options, and accessories is now available in the Build Your Own Section at toyota.com.
    Contrary to what everyone else seems to think, this car is priced very competitively in its class. Adding every option will get you up around 30K, but how many people actually do that?
    With automatic, ABS, power driver's seat, moonroof, keyless entry, alloy wheels, and JBL audio, the 4 cylinder LE sells for (including dest.) $22,829. Delete the sunroof and alloys, and you're looking at an MSRP of $21,430. Those are very competitive prices.

    Curiously, LE V6 pricing is not yet listed.
    ~alpha
  • ravvie4meravvie4me Member Posts: 110
    "called TL or TL-S a noisy car !! Man that was good or what ? The base TL is QUITE/QUITE/QUITE !"

    Don't you mean QUIET/QUIET/QUIET? Don't mean to be an english teacher or anything, but... (sorry, people spelling such simple words wrong is a pet peeve of mine)

    "the 4 cyl Accord has Vtec technology from 98 !!"

    Actually, it's had it since the 1994 EX model (4-cylinder).

    -RAVvie4me
  • ravvie4meravvie4me Member Posts: 110
    I went to the "Build Your Own" section and started to price out an SE V6, which started at around $22K-23K (can't remember) went to around $28K!!!!! with the CHEAPEST option package!
    Geez, Toyota's prices for their option packages are rediculous!

    -RAVvie4me
  • steves24vsteves24v Member Posts: 12
    I recommend anyone that is experiencing discomfort on the cloth seating to upgrade to leather, and perfed if you can afford it. I had Classic Soft Trim do mine and it is incredible. No more discomfort at all. Very good support. Expect to pay from the dealer anywhere from $1100 to $1700 full retail on a new car. Check the Classic Soft Trim web site for specials on Camry Kits. They will charge full retail for brand new cars since they do not wan't to ruin their relationship with the new car dealers by selling around them. They have sales every now and then on overstocked kits...etc.
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    from my understanding, by entering your zip, you are "building your own" Camry based upon what is typically shipped to your region, so thats why the price zoomed up to 28K. after a while, I'm sure you'll be able to find SE V6 models without all the gizmos and with cheaper options packages.
    ~alpha01
  • soberssobers Member Posts: 496
    I meant quite/quite/quite - quiet. I forgot quiet ! also Vtec I meant in the base model (not the DX the LX which is a mass volume, unlike the camry having base engine in LE with no vvti (DX Accord)

    I find the new camry as sort of a catch up with accord as far as engine/handling/ chassis dynamics/sportyness & interior layout goes. No offense, as with 2001 Accord did a catch up on quiteness of the cmary & did 20 changes in engine compartment to make it quiter. Also Accord gave 2 stage Airbags in 2001 i.e. did not wait for next generation as Toyota did. I had expected vvti in base engine in 2000 Camry but they didn't opt for that..it resulted in many sales going to Accord (direct consumer sales)
  • 2scottyboy2scottyboy Member Posts: 4
    The Accord is awesome. It is 100% better than Camry. The 2002 Camry isn't playing catch-up to Accord. The 2002 camry is behind as it is.

    That's how great Honda is.
  • mirthmirth Member Posts: 1,212
    I gotta say, despite some of my other disappointments with the '02 Camry, that the instrument panel on the SE version looks pretty damn cool.
  • pauleulpauleul Member Posts: 116
    Let us not forget (Mackabee) is a Toyota salesman! I'm sure his main purpose here is to sell Toyota. Can't say I wouldn't do the same thing, this is a great place to find REAL leads.

    However, I would like to state, the TL is quite quiet, quit quibbling over something you could not even identify if you were blindfolded while doing a test drive! Something many people would like to see a Toyota salesman do I'd bet.

    Hope I got all my b's and q's spelled right.

    Enjoy what YOU like best and don't be sold a line of BS.

    :>)
  • jarednoahjarednoah Member Posts: 20
    TL is not even in the same class as a camry. So why even compare.
  • black_tulipblack_tulip Member Posts: 435
    "Let us not forget (Mackabee) is a Toyota salesman! I'm sure his main purpose here is to sell Toyota. "

    That's not even fair. I have read many of his posts and never seen him soliciting any sales. On the other hand, I have always been impressed by his unique insight into the world of car selling.
    I wish there were a lot more salespeople like him participating.
  • ravvie4meravvie4me Member Posts: 110
    That's understood about the Accord DX, I didn't know that's what you meant.

    Camry really was never meant to be a sporty car, the Accord is an alternative for people who want to have a sportier vehicle than the Camry, as well as reliability. Camry=luxury, reliability; Accord=sporty, reliability to sum it up.

    The Camry's new 4-cylinder engine is truly over a vast improvement over past Camry 4-cylinders, which were very limited in power (I have experience with this because I have a 1988 Camry with the 4). The previous Camrys did not have enough power to compensate for their weight, putting out only 136hp at most. The Accord always had the upper hand in 4-cylinders versus the Camry up to now, so I will reserve judgment until I drive a 2002 Camry 4-cylinder to see if the tables have turned.

    However the V6 is a different story. I have a Highlander 4WD with the current Camry 3-liter V6, and I love the power it has!! Much better than the 1988 Camry with a 4-cylinder that I also have.

    -RAVvie4me
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