Audi allroad

jethrojackson

Greetings,

I'm pondering the purchase of a Audi Certified All Road...most likely a 2001 or 2002. I can't find anything about the All Roads having DSTC or STC like many other high end cars. We currently have a Volvo 2000 S80 T6 which has it and I definitely believe in the benefit of this added safety feature. Perhaps Audi calls their system something else. Please fill me in....Many Thanks!

Jethro

w210

Audi has Electronic Stabilization Program ESP which is similar to Volvo's Dynamic Stability Traction Control DSTC.

From Audi's web site:

Electronic Stabilization Program (ESP®)
The electronic stabilization program (ESP) makes the vehicle easier to control in handling situations close to the limit. It reduces the danger of swerving and thus improves directional stability. ESP identifies the car's intended direction and response. It applies the brakes on individual wheels, thereby generating one-sided forces that help to keep the car moving in the desired direction. The program uses the anti-lock brake system (ABS), electronic brake-force distribution (EBD), electronic differential lock (EDL) and anti-slip regulation (ASR) systems and is permanently active. The latest version, ESP 8.0, which has been introduced for the first time in the new Audi A6, also offers a dry brake function: in adverse weather conditions, the system wipes water off the brake discs at regular intervals by applying the brake pads. This process goes unnoticed by the driver and reduces the stopping distance in wet weather compared with conventional brake systems.

I used to drive a front wheel drive car and traction control was very useful. However, after moving to an allroad with Quattro, I find the vehicle always having enough traction making traction control sometimes redundant except on ice.

trouble71

I just purchased a 2001 Audi allroad and i'm loving it, I got it from a dealer in Sacramento ca Called Niello Audi www.niello.com they were awesome! I'm curious if any of you have know if K&N makes an intake kit for this thing and if it will make a diff. in performance. I had one in my toyota truck and the performance increase was marginal at best.....

markcincinnati

There are several things you can do to your new 2001 allroad that will help its performance and not break the bank and not potentiall cause any warranty issues (if this is CPO'd).

Sport by-pass valves (Bosch) will make the turbo more reponsive and add a hint of a sound that is, to my ear, pleasing. The cost (you need two of them) total under $100 including shipping as I recall from Joe Hoppen Motorsport, just google the company and it will take you to his web site -- of course that is the allroad site of temptation and you may find you want to buy a new less restrictive exhaust system too. You can put a sport air filter in which does help the breathing and hence the power a tiny bit and also the sound too. Most of these things are subtle, but real, just very subtle. The exhaust system will be over $1500 and will provide both more hp and torque and coupled with the other things noted WILL be able to be felt in the seat of your pants when you accelerate.

The big bang is, of course, the chip upgrade -- and there are several sources for this. One kind is an actual replacement and one is a so called direct port upgrade which is entirely software (that would be my preference, if you care).

This engine, the 2.7T, can be cranked up at least 100 HP and even more in torque.

Of course, remember there is a timing belt in this engine and it should be replaced, IMHO, every 60K miles -- just to keep the engine from damaging itself.

Use syn oil, too.

Great car.

tgvas

http://www.gmpperformance.com/

Everything and more of what will make the Allroad GO, faster......etc!

abrodsley

i got a new 2004 allroad 2.7T about 3 months ago and have noticed a lot of strong smelling fumes. i have over a 1000 miles on it now. anybody else have this? it is smelling like a 10 yr old car- is this normal?

markcincinnati

The engine comes with a goo on it that can cause this smell -- it is supposed to be removed before you ever get the car.

Take it back and have them remove it!

kendux1

I am considering buying a new SUV and would like to buy an Allroad but wonder when Audi will introduce a new model and what size it will be. I am tempted by the Toureg but don't like what I read about its many problems. Does anyone have any info?

jodar

Audi is supposedly going to introduce a new model called the A7, which will replace the Allroad. I'm reading that it will be based on Toureg parts but will have third row seating and will possess less of the off road mechanicals of the Toureg.

harrington

i'm probably buying my first audi soon!!....2001 allroad with 50ishk miles....if the car is not certified ,what should i be looking for?....what start happening around those miles?....timing belts?....thanks...r

markcincinnati

You must have a bushel of money to get one that is NOT Audi Certified.

 

I will pray for your wallet.

 

Seriously, the car may have a long life ahead of it. You should know that it will need many routine items starting at around 60,000 miles. This may not be an issue -- but this was the first year for this car here in the US and I would, personally, urge you to find a newer model or at the very least get one Audi Certified.

mtnhrdwr

Hi folks,

I'm in the market for a crossover. One of the models I'm considering is the allroad (2001-2002) with the 6-speed. This seems to be an uncommon configuration, for a fairly rare car (at least in my area - Las Vegas.)

Another option I'm looking for is the solar sunroof. Aside from the overviews on Edmunds, I haven't seen much in the way of references to it. Given my location, I'd be interested in that option if I could find it. I'm wondering if this will be something that will make my ideal car even more difficult to locate.

Can someone please clarify if all of the sun/moonroof options have the solar-operated, fan-cooled cabin feature? If not, is there a specific package or option designation I need to be looking for? Any info in this area would be welcome.

Thanks.

alohasurfer1

hey...looking at a 2001 allroad, 38K miles, Certified, factory warranty ends 5/10/07 (will get extended as well) Carfax looks clean, anything i should know, look at, ask??? they are asking $28995, will get them down

w210

We had a 1999 XC70 and when the lease expired we moved to a A4 3.0 Avant and then 2 years later, the allroad. The allroad is very roomy and handles much better than the XC70. Faster too.

What I like about the allroad is that all service costs are included so I can have my wife take the car to the dealership and know that she will not get ripped off.

The allroad drives a lot nicer, the AWD system is much more sophisticated (no torque steer), check it out!

jacksanjose

Hi Mark:
Thanks for the tips. The lease on my 2001 allroad is almost up and I'm torn between splurging on a Cayenne S or getting a V8 turbo. You may have saved me a bunch of money. Obviously the allroad is a more practical car. Knowing I can make it handle too makes it a much easier decision. Would you care to recommend a specific tire. I'm running Michelin Pilot Sports now on my 2001.
Regards,
Jack

jacksanjose

er - I meant getting a V8 allroad

5spot

My wife and I are thinking of buying an Allroad. We are undecided between certified used vs. haggling a deal on new. Also, need guidance on any problems with specific years, popular options and colors. Any big advantage to getting 2005?
Finally would love to know any hidden surprise, particulary negative ones.

Thanks for your help

sparks1

Help!

I just purchased a 2001 allroad with 26,000 miles and it didn't have the keyless entry key with it. I took it to Audi to get one and they said it would not program. They peeked under the carpet and said they saw corroded wires and it may have been in a flood and are going to test it with water to see if any seals are leaking. If not they will not cover it under warrenty. I had a '97 A6 avant that also had a corroded wiring problem. Carfax was clean. Has anyone else had a problem like this or any advise on how to handle this...leaks can be hard to duplicate with a hose and I worry that Audi is going to stiff me.

thanks,
sparks1

brand

I'm in Los Angeles. I want to buy a used allroad. Private, dealer, warranty, certified? Any advice or suggestions of where to look would be most welcome. Thanks.

markcincinnati

2002 or newer.

CPO'd for certain.

brand

So, only from an Audi dealer or can I get one from other dealers who specialise in allroads? How about a car at the end of it's factory warranty and getting an extended warranty to replace it? Do you know of any good extended warranty companies? I've looked around but it's all a bit daunting and some will not cover allroads or vehicles in California.

Thanks.

schnell

I just bought a 2001 allroad and absolutely love it. It had 56k and was in great shape. I still have a year and a half of warranty and the car is going in for 60k service. Make sure the factory stereo is functioning properly and also put the adjustable ground clearance through some trials. The rear rotars were replaced under warranty and a minor oil leak was repaired prior to me buying. So far, so good....I'll post again after the 60k service. Schnell!

openairinoh

Mark
Looking at 02 Allroad 6 spd with 34K, certified. Audi dealer says $25K, almost seems to low. Had a 95 S6 but clutch was way to heavy for every day driving. Wonder how clutch is on Allroad. Any thoughts would be apreciated.
Kim

wholiday

I know you've been down this road many times and this forum has been very helpful, but I have a couple questions after lurking. First, I just sold my 04 volvo v70r and want an allroad (I need the clearance as well as a fun fast wagon, and being able to make a U turn in 2 lanes is a plus).

I'm looking both at new and used, buy and lease. I've read some debates here that say avoid the 01. Does that include 01's with low milage? I just saw one posted with 18K and certified. Would you feel better about that or an 02 with 33K. What about improvements or reasons to buy 03, 04 or 05? Where's the best car for the best money.
I have a dealer with a demo 05 with 5K that is intriguing. Anyone have experience on how they'd deal on a demo. There's no bluebook and it's not a new car, so there's no clear reference?

What about the full body paint. Is it more or less durable (with sanded streets in the winter in snow country, the front gets a handfull...)?

Thank you in advance for any assistance. And thank you for the assistance I've already recieved from reading the long history of this forum.

Cheers,
Wade

wholiday

Is that just for an 01?
Wade

flatsurf

Mr. Johan Denysschen
Executive Vice President
Audi North America

I am elevating this to you for the sake of saving a loyal customer. I have a leased 2001 Audi Allroad I have been trying to get resolution on since November 2004.

I am a long time Audi customer and realize all manufacturers cannot be perfect with every vehicle produced. I realize manufacturers struggle with some models. I also understand not all service teams are perfect every time although I sure they aim for that.

My wife and I have been in a rental car since November for 5 months since we took the car into the local Atlanta dealership for an evaluation. We have continued to pay our lease payment on time every month and have also been paying Enterprise Rental Car 755.00 per month for five months for a less than comparable vehicle.

Due to repairs over the course of the lease, my wife and children have spent almost nine months in rental vehicles no where near the safety level of the Audi vehicle I leased. The safety level of the car was one of our deciding factors in choosing an Audi. We have also been inconvenienced by the numerous trips to and from the dealership. For a car driven by a mother of two, this car has produced many fearful situations by breaking down on the highway, etc. I cannot tell you how many panic calls I have received while traveling saying the car broke down and the kids are waiting to be picked up from school or practice.

The vehicle has been maintained on the entire scheduled maintenance program yet the problems have been major things like cracked engine block, turbo failures, never ending suspension/electrical failures and the list goes on. I was told by my service team in Florida that the car has had over $35,000 worth of repairs done to it. The car’s value when purchased was $42,000.

I was transferred to Atlanta in the early fall and brought the vehicle into my dealer, Braman Motorcars in West Palm Beach, Florida before our move to have the scheduled service done. I was told there was a transmission seal that needed to be changed and a CV boot needed to be replaced. I was told these were relatively simple repairs and the bill was $1200.

We then had the car shipped directly to Atlanta from Braman. As soon as it was taken off the truck, it did not drive correctly. The first thing we noticed with the car was the transmission felt like it was not shifting into 5th gear and my wife said she felt the suspension going up and down in an odd fashion. I took it to the local dealership in Atlanta (Jim Ellis) to have it checked out. The dealership's service person called me four days later saying I needed two new Axle rods, new rotors, new brakes a new CV boot (which I thought Braman had replaced) and a full new transmission...and the estimated cost would be around $9000! Needless to say, I was dumbfounded. We had just had the scheduled service done at Braman in Florida less than 3 months before that and the service folks found no sign of this!

I raised the issue to the COO of my home dealer (Vince Cerone), as they were the only people to have touched the car and he raised the issue to the Regional Audi office in Atlanta. No formal communication ever came from any Audi representative except for a Regional Technician who took over a month to call me back.

The Technician told me that my car had been “chipped” and Audi would not offer any assistance whatsoever! I have to tell you when he mentioned the “chipping” I thought he was talking about the paint! I had no idea about these things. I am not a car person. Another reason for choosing the Audi was for the maintenance plan. I travel and don’t have the time to deal with things like this. He told me people put computer chips in their cars to increase horsepower. I questioned him why I would want to make an already fast vehicle even faster or dangerous for my wife and two young children? His tone was very accusatory and despite being located in Atlanta, he refused to even go and look at the car personally, stating he does not have to. I come to find out later from the Jim Ellis folks that a cover of some sort was had four screws loose? Is that enough to treat a customer as some sort of criminal? Is it not possible the prior service team forgot to tighten some screws? Mr. Denysshen, don’t you agree no company has room to treat their customers like this, particularly loyal ones?

I spoke to my former Service Representative in Palm Beach who has been involved in every repair since the beginning of the lease. He could not believe the reaction I received. He also stated some issues that are very concerning to me:
•The “chipping” issue is obsolete as they would have seen it with the prior service
•The Allroads, company-wide, have had many issues, particularly with turbos, computer software and suspensions.
•The engine replaced on my vehicle was the very first the crew replaced.
•All Service Representatives are paid commissions on repairs.

Mr. Denysschen, my family went through the Audi 5000 transmission problem in the 1980s and when I went to lease this car, I assured my father that Audi had changed and they were a completely new kind of car and company.

With all that said, you have the ability to make the right decision quickly. We cannot afford to continue to pay 1200.00 a month in car payments to be driving a rental car.

Please contact us with any questions. Thank you in advance for your help and expedition in this process.

Kind regards,

Dear Mr. Sullivan:

I have reviewed your complaint, with comprehensive input from both our technical staff, and our dealer.

It is our firm conviction that the technical problems experienced by you, are directly related to technical modifications made to the vehicle, designed to increase performance by reconfiguration of the engine management system.

This not only places additional stress on the turbo charger and engine components, but in fact on the entire driveline.

I am informed that the decision to drive a rental car instead of your own vehicle, was entirely your own, as the repair order was dated on 12/29/04, and you finally collected the vehicle around mid-April.

In light of the circumstances, I must advise you that we are unable to entertain further assistance regarding the cost of the repair to the vehicle.

Sincerely yours,

Johan de Nysschen
Executive Vice President
Audi of America, Inc.

matthewsager

I have a question about the allroad in general. It sounds like the 01 had some mechanical issues from what little I've read, but I am looking at buying a used Allroad vs. a new A4 Avant (likely 2.0). Can anyone comment on the general service record of the 03'. I really like the Allroad styling, and I know it is no longer being made--I am wondering if it is a good time to look at this car, or a bad one. Will people be attempting to buy these cars or will Audi have trouble selling them? Also, can anyone comment on the Certified Used program from Audi and if it is a good program, or more of a sales gimmick. Any time of the year better to look at buying an Audi--ie end of calander year.
Thanks

d4bjd0

Holy Moly! Is this for real? If so.. I cannot believe a company would treat a customer like this! Have you suggested that one of the previous technicians may have "chipped" the car to improve performance and get it out of the shop? I would insist that they "visually" prove it. (i.e. "show" you what lead them to believe you chipped it. Code comparisons, the actual chip on the board, etc..) They should be able to show you. Another "guilty until proven innocent" situation!
I have an '01. I hope I don't have any issues.

Regards,

BD

morks

Hi Mark....

I own a 2003 Audi Allroad 2.5Tdi and have exactly the same "drive by wire" throttle problem. It is so bad, that I have treatened to sell the car!

After being told repleadedly by Audi that it is my driving style....reading your note finally convinces me that I am not alone in my concern about the dead throttle problem. I intend using this to rub their noses in this - but it does not take away the real safety problem I have - so elequently descibed by you!

Do you know if there is an Audi software fix for this?

Thanks again, Hendrik

2xaudi

I'm so glad to find this website... what a wealth of knowledge here. And very informative and intelligent posts. I'm thinking of purchasing the H-sport sway bars from here: http://www.pure-motorsport.com/products/description.php/II=726/CA=216/PA=7

I'm sure these are good but are there others out there to compare against? How has your ride improved on a scale of....moderately noticeable to very noticable and in what condition/situation where you feel you got your money's worth?

Also, where can I get these installed and does it void my warranty? My allroad is 03 with 18K miles.

Thanks much.

2xaudi

I just bought an 03 used in Sept of 04. It was a Audi PC car. Definitely saved big money on it. Basically look up the trade-in value of the car with options you like at kbb.com and give the dealer $500 over (guaranteed they paid less for it as a lease return or trade in). I bought a lease return that had only 11K miles on it with the remainder of the 4/50 warranty and the addl 2 year and up to 100K on the drivetrain. Most dealers at the time wanted $41K for it. I got it for $36K - this is a fully loaded allroad.

So far... knock on wood, the car has been a champ. Any warranty issue i've had has been minor and Audi dealers are good at taking care of any little detail you want addressed. The Gas Mileage is not that great at 300 mi. to the tank (with city driving) vs. 380 mi. to the tank in my wife's older A6 -- but she can't drive a A6 down a dirt road too well.

The styling is elegant and understated but with an agressive posture, I still like going to my car everyday to go to work and when I make the drive home -- just a nice feeling through and through.

Performance is great at speed (from the line there's a turbo lag, it's not a race car). The turbos are great for uphills and on the freeway... you can bump it up to 290HP from a 250HP with a chip and I'm sure it'll be worth it.

If you don't plan on taking the car offroad or don't need the height adjustment the A4 Avant would be a great street car, I drove an A6 Avant for 6 years before moving to this one. Audi's overall is a great pleasure to own...

matthewsager

Thanks for the tips. The capacity for offroad is not what I need out of the car. I actually own a VW with the 1.8T engine and a chip upgrade giving it 200HP and it is one of the things I love about driving it. That is initially why I was contemplating the 2.7T-although I would not likely chip the car, the turbo engines themselves are elegant and powerful. I am 6'3" and I am somewhat concerned about the room in the back of the A4. The Allroad sounds like it has treated you well. Most of the '03 leases I am looking at have around 40K to 50K miles on them, which is one of my concerns although I dont know if it should be.

katone

we're a young couple and can't afford to buy an allroad with less than 50K miles.. we could buy something new for the same price, or an A4 with lower miles even, but this allroad is too much for us to let it go.
My question: at 50K miles, how much left do we have with the 2.7T engine? can it pass 100K easily? more maybe?

we plan on keeping it a while, would it cost a lot to rebuild, eventually, in 5-6 years? are the turbos reliable?

thanks for the tips, and can t wait to drive this baby!!
vroooom!

markcincinnati

Tip chip is avail -- not from Audi. Google to find it. Part of the problem is the tip is designed to do this to save fuel.

H sports -- the best. Second choice, order the Audi brand rear anti-sway bar from the avant with sport suspension.

H sports improve everything. PSK option (Audi part) is good -- 20% stiffer than OE.

Dealer installed mine.

I have the 6spd, so no tip lag issues.

allroadanger

Can you send me teh mailing address for Joahn de Nysschen, I have another nasty leeter I would liek to send him

sternman

Holy Cow! That's it? Nothing happened after that?

allroadanger

Did you get the address for this guy at Audi North AMerica? Because I need it too. Please email t to me. I have a 2004 Allroad with 8K and had a oil pres light go on about 300 miles from home I had to spend $872to get car back to me and dealership can't find anything wrong with it!

bargamon1

When a light comes on and there are no symptoms I shut downt he car and restart it. The lights go away.

did you try this?

In 35k it has happend maybe 4 times. If it continued afterwards, I would call the dealer and ask them what to do. This happened once and they said no danger and bring it in on monday. At least it was benchmarked that I called and would be on their dime if anything happened.

These are complicated machines with many sensors that go off by accident.

Best thing is to call the dealer and discuss a protocol that is comfortable to all, and in respect to the warranty.

das4

I am considering a small SUV or a sport wagon and really like the Allroad. However I do not know if the fact that Audi has suspended production of the Allroad for 2006 and is relaunching in 2007 should impact my decision. I am tempted by the discounts that the dealers seem to be willing to give to get the 2005 Allroad out of their inventory as well as the free service Audi offers -

Debating between the Allroad, the Volvo Cross Country, and the LR3 - any guidance would be very appreciated.

njallroad

I have 58,000 miles on my Allroad '03 and check engine light went on. Diagnosis: Torque convertor - faulty or in off position. Parts $915 and 18 hours labor. Anyone else have this problem?

rsorganize

Looking at a 2004 allroad with 20,700 mi. Like the vehicle and, especially, the 100,000 mi warranty. Seems like a very goood price - $32,000 or less.

My major concerns have to do with: longevity (I drive 30,000+/year and would keep the vehicle at least 4 years), reliability/repairs and potential issues in light of the end of production of the allroads.

Any help would be appreciated.

rynocp6

I am looking at a 2001 Allroad 2.7T with tiptronic. It's in great condition with 38,000 mi. The price is $19,800 and the Kelly's Blue Book retail is $28,300, trade-in is $20,700. It is not Audi certified. I believe there are 7 months left on the warranty and I will get an extended warranty when the factory one runs out. This sounds too good to be true to me. Am I missing something? I don't know much about Audi's. Can anyone help guide me on this? Thanks.

2xaudi

Hope this makes it to you in time. Get a Carfax done on it (ask the person if they're willing to provide this - cost $20). This will give you a history of how many times it has been registered among other things. But you'll see the sale history, how many times it has changed hands. If it has been owned by more than 2 owners, I would pass on it.

Also, if they haven't been honest about it, i'm sure you'll get some resistance in providing it (carfax).

stormygace

I'm at 84K (bought Audi Assured) & once I hit 100k will be off warranty. I would like advice on 3 areas I would like to improve: low end torque, suspension & exhaust sytem. The car is NOT Turbo so ameniable to chipping but I would appreciate input on what, when, how & why. The suspension is not a sports suspension & I would like to tighten it up considerably. I'm anticiapting w/chipping the exhaust system will need changing but don't know alot about this & would appreciate recs. It is a 5 speed & I love the body & cabin styling. This is a car I would like to keep for years. Thanks in advnce for info incl. websites. Merry Christmas !

skiracerdad

I am going through the same process right now. Looking at an allroad that is loaded incl. nav system for $42,800 and the 100,000 mi. warranty/maintenance. Also considering the Volvo V70 R. What did you decide on? Thanks!

audi_for_395

I have a 2003 2.7T Allroad. I bought a K&N replacement air filter but have not installed it because the top of the air box has all sorts of wires and components on top of it. Does anyone know where I can find install instructions online? Is there a noticeable performance increase? Does it void the Audi warranty?
Thanks.

philatlas

I am the proud owner of a recently purchased 2001 allroad w/ 85K. I really enjoy it. I had the vehicle checked out by an Audi shop and they found and fixed small issues. However, I have never owned a turbo/biturbo and need help with acceleration issues. In 2nd gear, starting at about 2800 rpms (with a steady 1/4 throttle) I hit a flat spot in the torque curve, then it resumes normal acceleration. Lasts only 1/4 second but is becoming more frequent and noticable. Happens in each gear at lower and lower rpms (more engine load). Doesn't seem to be noticable at 3/4 to full acceleration (maybe passing thru same circumstances but too quick to notice?).

Are the turbos sequential? Is this a waste gate issue, or is this normal for this vehicle? Anybody else out there experience this? Thanks in advance for any help with this.

w210

I have a 2004 with built in latch anchors, you should be able to get Audi to have them retrofit free of charge? check with your dealer, they added them to the 2002 A4 avant we used to drive without any cost to us.

shelleyp111

thanks for your help, i am going to loook into that today!

osrf

I recently purchased a 2003 allroad 2.7T Quattro (pretty much fully-loaded except for a nav system) after coming out of a 4 year lease on a 2003 A4 1.8T Quattro.

I have read numerous post on a couple of different message boards about the allroad series, and after doing so, am feeling sorry that I didn't get a 6 speed manual rather than the auto w/TipTronic, but oh well, such is life.

I was contemplating getting the engine modified with the 'chip' however some of what I read on various sites (including here) gave me cause for pause, based on what folks had to say about effects on gas mileage, and the possibility of the warranty being voided due to having the vehicle modified.

I called the manager of the service department at the dealer I use here in California (Rusnak Westlake), and asked him about these two issues.

He stated that although adding a mod chip can void a warranty, if I was to get the chip work done @ Neuspeed, there would be no issue and they would be sure not to let it effect my warranty.

He said that he has dealt with them for years, and compared to the work that others do, they do not cause modifications that burn out turbos, or even worse, crack engine blocks (something he said that he has seen, when something called a APR chip was used).

As for the gas mileage, he stated that the in-town mileage would definitely suffer, because as was stated earlier in this thread by Mike(?), with the increased HP, people tend to get a heavier foot, and the turbos kicking in faster simply uses more fuel, so the stop-and-go driving just eats up even more fuel than usual.

That being said, I don't think I will be adding a chip...I'm averaging about 20 MPG/per tank, and with gas here in Cali at just below the $3/per range, I wouldn't want that to start eating up even more of my money.