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Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable Sedans Pre-2008

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  • sable93sable93 Posts: 107
    Yeah, that is what I told the service manager. You'd think they could at least lie a little better.

    Luckily for Ford, I think I am an exception and not the general case for Taurus owners. So perspective Taurus buyers, don't avoid them just because of what I've typed, but used Taurus buyers might want to just check a few of the things they've seen listed here. I think I've also learned from this experience that a fleet car is not necessarily a good thing.
  • wilhfurtwwilhfurtw Posts: 25
    Hellow fellow Taurus owners. I just bought a used, Toreador Red 98 SE, with ABS as the only option. The car has 61,000 miles.

    Here are my problems. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
    1) The brakes sometimes, although not very often, make a grinding noise just before coming to a complete stop. You could feel the grinding too. It started to make the noise when Southern California was hit with the recent rain storms. But the grinding noise also occured during one traffic jam, in dry weather, where I had to constantly use the brakes. The brake pedal also clicks when the pedal is depressed all the way. The selling dealer put new linings on, before selling it to me.
    2) The transmission is smooth except when going into third gear. The car shudders or shakes a bit when shifting into third. The shaking is subtle, and not very obvious until you drive the car for an extended period of time. A complete tranny flush with Mercon V did not solve the problem.

    Thanks for any inputs.
  • larryn2larryn2 Posts: 18
    YES YOU NEED A TOOL TO TURN THE PISTON BACK. I DO THIS EVERY DAY ON TAURUS POLICE CARS . ALSO IF YOU HAVE YOUR WHEELS ROTATED/BALANCED WATCH THE KID WITH THE AIR LUG GUN IF HE /SHE OVER TIGHTENS THIS WILL CAUSE WARP ROTORS TO ......... LARRY
  • shank6shank6 Posts: 64
    Thanks for the tip ez, but where is the cabin air filter ?. I'll do it myself if I can.

    Wil : That sounds like you need new brake pads. Usaually that noise means you're down to steel on steel, meaning the material in the pads are so worn down the rivets are contactin the rotors. I don't want to be the bearor of bad news but you might need rotors too.
  • riswamiriswami Posts: 192
    The passenger air filter is on the passenger side, under the cowl in the back of the engine compartment. You need to take off the place trim piece right below your wipers (3 screws). You'll see the box for the filter. I've replaced mine twice. Takes about 20 to 30 minutes. I'm slow.
  • ezaircon4jcezaircon4jc Posts: 793
    The OM should also tell you where and how. Mine, being a '96, doesn't have screws. It has a fastener that you turn half way and it pops out. I think that there are 4 of them. You don't need to remove the wiper. You do need to have the hood open. The filter compartment is held in place by a couple of screws. Hope this helps.
    Michael
  • scott153scott153 Posts: 6
    I have two 1996 Ford Tauruses. I had to replace both climate control motors under warranty. Even after they were replaced, the fans still chirped. I gave up and decided not to take them back again. The sound seems to have gone away after 30K miles (or maybe I'm losing my hearing). I have also rented Tauruses when on company business and the fans also chirp. Somebody at Ford was not focused on "Quality as Job #1" when the fan motors were designed and tested.
  • scott153scott153 Posts: 6
    Anybody attempt to replace the Driver's Side Power Window on a '96 Taurus? The dealership wants $325 for parts and three hours of labor. And I thought engine repairs were expensive!!!
  • scott153scott153 Posts: 6
    I did not buy a ESP while my Taurus was under the Ford warranty. Now I'm thinking that it may have been worth the extra bucks. The Ford Dealership says that I can buy an ESP from them for around $1100-$1300 after I pay $700 for them to do a "safety inspection" of my car. Does anybody else use a reputable extended service company?
  • gokirbgokirb Posts: 1
    2000 Taurus SE wagon. I have a slight roughness/vibration at highway speed. Dealer initially replaced 2 tires (Firestone Affinity) but it is really no better. Dealer says it's just feeling the road. I drove another new wagon on the dealer's lot and it was worse than my car. I now also have vibration when braking at highway speeds...have 16,000 on the car and don't think the rotors should be warped this soon....I drive pretty conservatively.

    Anyone else having similar problems?
  • riswamiriswami Posts: 192
    The owners manual tells you replace the A/C Air Filter every 30k. It gives you no clue as to where it is located and how to do it.
  • pfinkpfink Posts: 3
    My last post was #430. Car now has 14,500 miles. It has been a good car, factoring its reasonable cost. I'm getting an average MPG of almost 22 mpg.
    I have experienced two similar problems that have been posted by others;(1)occasional "funny" smell from ventilation system. Seems more like stale air/water. Dealer was unable to find a problem.
    (2) Transmission or fuel issue (?) Between 25-40 mph (1500-1700 rpm) the car seems to modulate or pulse. It's minor but somewhat annoying. Dealer again was unable to find any problem. However they claimed to have adjusted for my tires/wheels.
    The Repair Order never shows any of the factor recalls they have applied. Is that standard for a dealership? Local dealership has just merged with another Lincoln/Mercury dealership - now it's an "Auto group". Waiting to see if things improve or get worse. Any one else experiencing similar problems?
  • djmr66djmr66 Posts: 2
    OK...got a new job...got a new office...didnt get a new wife...but I do get to spend about $25,000.00 on a new car. Company pays the bill. I had a 98 Taurus and absolutely hated the thing. I can't believe it but I am actually looking at a 2001 SEL and am kinda impressed. If it were your money...would you buy the SEL, the loaded equivalent Sable, or a
    loaded Dodge Intrepid. I drive ALOT!!! Any help would be appreciated. Also...what is the overall quality and repair history of these vehicles..in other words...which one is going to give me grief....thanks!!

    Dave
  • tjdeperetjdepere Posts: 4
    go with the mercury sable premier LS---all options in SEL standard. Also FMC interested in moving four door sedans now
  • djmr66djmr66 Posts: 2
    Isnt the Taurus the same car as the mercury. If not what is the difference.
  • iusecadiusecad Posts: 287
    has anyone recently bought a Taurus using the X-Plan? How much did you save?
  • keithwandkeithwand Posts: 23
    Just like gokirb #671 my car has experienced since day one side to side steering wheel vibration at 60+ MPH. Tires have been balanced by both Ford and independant which I witnessed to make sure they rebalanced after adding the weights.
    It makes no diference when the tires are rotated so I feel it is the car and not the tires.
    This is a co. car which my employer deletes the ABS from the factory build and then allows us to pay for it as an option. Nice co. huh?
    The car also makes a clunk nice when making a left turn and feels like the wheel is loose. I had this checked too and all check out fine.
    DO NOT get the std engine unless you like to drive slow and not pass anyone. It is way underpowered.
    Anyone else have a complaint/ solution to the vibrations?
  • ohio7ohio7 Posts: 67
    In the manual it states to leave the air or the heat in the "ON" position rather than turning them "OFF" like we had learned to do. It states that the system must "breathe". The reason for this is to prevent that stuffy smell of stale air and water vapors.

    I sometimes forget if I already have the system off and the windows open and sure enough, when I get into the car in the morning and start the heat up, that smell comes out. I then realize that I should have put one or the other "ON" and then turned the engine "OFF".

    Hope this works. I've had no trouble otherwise.
  • harmarharmar Posts: 94
    Consumer Reports ratings give Sable better marks, but I have no idea why, since they are essentially the same basic car. Having said that, let me assure you that my experience with both brands says the Sable is "better." It feels tighter. It seems quieter. Some options you pay for on Taurus are standard on the Sable. It may help you to take a peek at the Sable posts to see if they help you decide what to get. Good luck!
  • shank6shank6 Posts: 64
    Dave :

    We've got a 2000 Sable LS Premium and my 99 Taurus SE. The ride difference is like night and day. I know the cars are built on the same platform, share the same engines and transmissions, but it seems like there is so much more attention to detail in the Merc. Also, wider tires,leather seats, moonroof, super sound system, heated mirrors, ect., ect. I don't think you can go wrong!.
  • pfinkpfink Posts: 3
    Thanks for the reply. I have the automatic climate control and it's always "on". But you may have the answer, the system doesn't start for a while, so it may close itself under certain conditions and when it opens, I get the stale air.

    Regarding my other problem .... (post 673) the transmission pulse or modulation issue. My service light came on and the dealer replaced an engine sensor and the transmission problem seems to have disappeared. Car is running well again (knock on wood).
  • harmarharmar Posts: 94
    All work done is supposed to be entered into a computer data base that can be accessed by any dealership. But in this era when the meaning of "is" can be debated, perhaps some dealerships don't do so. I asked for, and received, a copy of my car's work, because I bought it as a program car and wanted to know what had been done. When getting service, I type or write down a list of things I want done, keep a copy and give one to the service manager. Then, I always request/demand a copy of the RO to make sure everything on my list was done, because creating a chronological paper trail is one thing the courts will accept as "proof" you have tried to get [repeated] repairs to the same part(s). It's good business sense to be safe, rather than sorry, if something ever does go terribly wrong. A few extra minutes each time you take it in will be worth days or weeks trying to backtrack. Now, if you are not getting copies of repair orders for some things, might that mean they don't want you to know what was - or wasn't - done? For the prices of cars today, the average owner can't afford not to CYA. Good records can sometimes foil the best company lawyers. Good luck!
  • Does anyone here who owns a 96-99 model Taurus have problems with alignments, and its front suspension?
    My Taurus not only has had alot of problems out of the suspension, and alignments. But it also has recently had problems with the tranny slipping. But them door sensors get replaced every time I take it in the dealer for repair.
    I have problems with the alignments either not taking, or going out of alignment to often, and most of the time its out of alignment real BAD.
    I have replace 2 complete sets of tires for this car, the 1st set had even wear straight accross (but I know what caused that) it was my suspension that was in bad shape.
    But this last set is wearing on the outer sides of the tire, and my alignments are constantly out real bad.
    seau90@hotmail.com
  • One thing I have learned through my mess with my taurus, that if you are respectful when telling them your problem, they really help. In my case Ford Motor Co helped me. Most of my bad luck was the Dealer that had been repairing my car. It was not Ford's fault, but Ford did work out the problem with us, and paid for the car to be taken to another dealer, where Ford Motor Co, and that dealer treated me like a QUEEN.
    Sometimes you have to take it out of the hands of the dealer, and go directly to FORD themselfs. Unforunately there aren't to many good dealers out there, but I know I found a bad one in Oklahoma.
    My situation I took it directly out of the hands of the Bad Dealer and when to FORD on my problem. As it turned out, either this bad dealers mechanics was un experienced or it was simply intentional. My case in OKlahoma left me where there was no Lemmon law to protect us consumers from dealers like the one I encountered.
  • I am a owner of a 97 model Taurus that had problems with the rack n pinnon, stablizer links, motor mounts separations, struts, oil pan gasket, door sensors, and the last thing is the tranny slipping.
    When taking my car to another dealer just for the rack n pinnion, stablizer links, struts, motor mounts, oil pan gasket (this was a 2 week repair job), I had found out that the 1st dealer that had been making attempts at repairing my car, left my car is awful shape. Most of them parts was either lose, or gonna fall off.
    I had to go one step ahead of the 1st dealer and contact Ford Motor Co, the 1st dealer evently got to where they refused to look at the suspenion in my car. Once I contacted FORD, and started a dispute settlement on my taurus, Ford had paid for the taurus to be sent to another dealer, where my experience changed from BAD to GOOD. Ford Motor Co and this Billingsy Ford of Lawton, Oklahoma treated us like we was Kings.
    But we learned our lesson about this BAD dealer in Altus, Oklahoma. Unforunately the state of Oklahoma has no Lemmon law that protects consumers from BAD DEALERS.
    My suspension was repaired, and any other problems that came about the Taurus went right back to Billingsley of Lawton. There is GOOD ONES out there, and there are BAD ONES. But unforunately there are no warnings on these BAD ONES prior to encountering them, I think there should be a board for consumer protection against Dealer that are BAD< or FORD needs to take action against them. 9 times out of 10 its the DEALER not the FORD product.
    I got a free ISP up to 5 years from my encounter on this BAD DEALER, and untill these BAD DEALERS NAMES are kept silent, it happens over and over again.
    Where was Oklahoma law protection for me as a consumer. This Bad dealer mechanics was either not experienced, or experienced enough, or it was simply intentional with the findings that Billingsley Ford found.
    Ford Motor Co does HELP, just give them a chance. They helped me, and I am thankful for them> They are the greatest.
  • harmarharmar Posts: 94
    I had minor problems with my '99 Sable front end. The dealership told me everything met Ford's specs. I found a good frame/front end shop by asking friends and others where they'd had good service. At that shop, they agreed that my car was indeed meeting Ford's specs, but it was "not optimally aligned." And the rear was not tracking properly by a mere 3/8 inch. They aligned the front end (but NOT using Ford's method) and fixed the tracking. My handling problems disappeared. So - I would suggest you search for a good independent frame shop and get their opinion on what needs to be done. With that in hand, ask if Ford's dealership can do it. If not, ask them to cover the cost of having it done at the frame shop. Good luck!
  • prestoneprestone Posts: 13
    Hi all,

    Just received a safety recall notice (01S08) today in the mail from Mercury. It deals with both 2000 & 2001 Sables and Taurus's that have the power adjustable pedals.

    "Grease used on the adjustable pedal assembly may enter the brake lamp switch and contaminate the contacts. This may cause one or more of the following symptoms to occur:
    -Brake lights stay illuminated or are inoperative.
    -Shift Interlock disabled (will be able to shift out of "Park" position without depressing the brakes.
    -Speed Control will not activate.
    -Cannot shift the vehicle out of "Park."
    -ABS Warning light illuminates on vehicles with ABS
    -Battery Discharged."

    The recall stated to call the dealer for an appointment without delay. I called ahead and the parts department did not have the parts in stock, as they had not yet received notification from Ford. The Parts Manager stated that he should have parts within 3-4 business days.

    Thought all you 2000 & 2001 Sable & Taurus owners with adjustable pedals should know about this safety recall.
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,676
    to the Mercury Sable topic, and will also be joining this group, since the cars are "close siblings"...I have been a poster and a lurker for over a year, but on 10 or so other topics...however, last week my 1988 Honda Prelude, 183K miles, four wheel steering (best option known to God and man, why no one has it I will never know), has died...needs $4000 repairs to a $2000 car...time to kiss it goodbye, quite tearfully, I might add...bought a used 2000 Mercury Sable LS, Duratec engine, adjustable pedals, moonroof, no CD, 26K miles, appears to run well...in addition to my 2000 Intrepid, I am now one of you with my Sable...have not had the time yet to read the entire line of posts (and I will also follow Taurus, of course), but I just thought I would apply for "membership" in the Club of Sable...and associate membership in the Club of Taurus...I hope you folks are seeking new members, cuz here I am :)

    Bob
  • ohio7ohio7 Posts: 67
    Just wanted to let everyone know that I finally took my 2000 SEL in for it's first oil change this past Sat. Bought it in June, but only have 3900 miles on it. Getting ready for a big trip and wanted new oil.

    While I was there, I told them that I had just gotten a recall notice. They were way ahead of me - they already had it written on my ticket. What is needed is a new light switch which is located under the dash right above and behind the brake pedal. The letter stated that it will take at least a half a day to fix, but the mechanic did it in 15 minutes - I timed him and watched the whole operation.

    I only drive my Taurus 6 miles a day so I don't get to enjoy it as much as I would like. To the individual who suggested that someone buy a Sable because of a lot of extras - I, too, looked at the Sable first and was not impressed by the rear end. As I looked closer I noticed that the trunk didn't have a very large opening. Went up to the Ford dealer and noticed that the Taurus trunk was not only wider, but larger. Checked the brochures and compared them and sure enough, the Taurus is bigger by one cubic foot!! That made the difference for me. Also, I got the top-of-the-line SEL which came with everything but a CD player which I didn't want. I think the car is quiet enough for me. Plus, I got a good loan and $1000 off!! Not bad.
  • prestoneprestone Posts: 13
    Just read your info on recall # 01S08. Good to know that there's a fairly quick fix to this problem. The parts manager informed me that the parts should be in this week. Looking forward to getting this issue corrected.

    Concerning trunk space, when my lease is up, I will definitely look at the Taurus. One of the few weak points that I've noticed with my 2000 Sable LS Premium, has been the fairly small trunk opening. I was a bit embarrassed the other day as a box I was attempting to load into the Sable's trunk, would not fit. However, it did fit into the trunk of my wife's 2000 Honda Civic! My wife had a very smug look on her face as her smaller car was able to accomodate the box my larger Sable would not! With that said, I think that this is the best overall vehicle I've personally owned.
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