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Mazda Protege5

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  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    Yes, but the review at www.carconnection.com says...

    "Mazda says the Protege5 offers up to 24.4 cubic feet of cargo space with the rear seat folded.  Using the measurement methods of some of its competitors, the numbers would be even larger."

    I wonder what they mean by that?
  • brekkebrekke Posts: 304
    I have a feeling that some manufacturers inflate their cargo capacity...
  • jstandeferjstandefer Posts: 805
    I'm wondering if you could check on the differences between the interiors of the Pro sedan and the P5. When I sat in the yellow one I posted pics of, I found myself remarking at how much smaller it felt inside compared to my sedan. The back seat especially felt considerably smaller... I set the driver seat to where I would drive and sat in the back. Compared to my sedan, I lost about 3-4" in legroom! And I have to agree with someone who posted above... except for the extra height, the cargo area is MUCH smaller than the sedan's trunk!

    How is it that Mazda only got 24.4 cubic feet of space with the rear seat folded down? The sedan's trunk is 12.9 cubic feet... now figure extending the trunk to the roof of the car, fold the rear seats down and add in that extra room from the seatbacks to the roof. I would expect an increase of room of about 200%-250%, not an increase of only 89%!!!

    Otherwise, the car is gorgeous!!! I will have to test drive one once the manual transmissions get in. I am particularly concerned about the road noise, since hatchbacks and wagons are generally louder. When I replace the carpet in my ES sedan later this month (changing it to black from the current hard-to-keep-clean light gray), I will add sound insulation to quiet things down. I can't wait to see the Classic Red P5 since my sedan is Classic Red. And then, which color to choose? Vivid Yellow or Classic Red?
  • from the article at..


    http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=3633&sid=180&n=157


    "...Mazda says the Protege5 offers up to 24.4 cubic feet of cargo space with the rear seat folded. Using the measurement methods of some of its competitors, the numbers would be even larger..."


    The language from above leads me to believe there isn't as big a difference in cargo capacity as it would seem based on manufacturer specs..


    Personally I know very little about how they measure cargo capacity, but I find it hard to believe the WRX wagon has that much more room considering they have almost the same length(WRX 173.4, P5 170.5), width(WRX 66.7, P5 67.1) and height(WRX 58.5, 57.8) specs..


    If it turns out the WRX wagon does indeed have 35+ more cubic feet then maybe the p5's bulky plastic backseat support columns on the sides are to blame. *shrug*..


    ciao

  • hkchanhkchan Posts: 420
    Both the US and Canadian sites show 19.8 cu. ft. of "PEA Cargo Volume" and 24.4 cu. ft with the seat folded down. Both numbers look "suspicious".
  • stefokmstefokm Posts: 5
    I made a visit to the northern Wisconsin area and saw 2 P5's on the dealer lot. One 5 spd
    loaded with moonroof, etc, the other an automatic. I drove the 5 spd. It had good pickup, and held tight to the road so was good fun to drive, has great visibility, but I was disappointed in the feel of the clutch and gear box. They were very sloppy, so you lost the "sport" feel. The car had very limited wind and road noise until you opened up the moonroof. Then you heard all the wind noise from the roof rack. They were selling, with Mazda rebate, for about $16,300. The dealer said the P5 was a few inches shorter than the sedan, but the inside felt like it had a lot of space. I like the looks but will wait to see the new Honda Civic hatch and the Toyota Matrix.
    Kevin
  • hkchanhkchan Posts: 420
    What rebate? On the Protege5 which is a 2002 model? Are you talking about the College Grad. rebate?
  • stefokmstefokm Posts: 5
    The dealer said there was a $500 rebate or reduced financing on all the Mazda cars. Who knows, maybe it didn't apply to the P5 but was going to reduce the price out of a lack of knowledge.
  • What colors were the cars? Any personal preference?

    -M
  • stefokmstefokm Posts: 5
    The 5 spd was silver, the automatic was blue. I'm not a fan of silver, probably because so many people own silver vehicles. The blue was a nice, deep shade, much like the blue on the new VW's.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I have a 2001 ES 2.0 sedan in black with automatic and Premium Pkg. Now that I have seen pics of the new P5, I kinda wish I would have waited. I might just check into getting the P5 front bumper/taillamps if I can though. You think it's possible to put the same taillamps on the sedan?
  • hkchanhkchan Posts: 420
    Front bumper I can understand, but taillamps?
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    Paul, sit down and take a good look at both cars. I don't see those tailamps in your future.

    :)
  • mpgmanmpgman Posts: 723
    Stopped by a dealer and asked if they had one. Three salesmen said no...then the manager came in and said they just got a silver automatic. Some internal communications!

    The car had no moonroof/ABS/side air bags, so it was hard to judge the headroom if you had the driver's seat cushion cranked up. I'm 5'11" and with the seat up, there wasn't a heck of a lot of headroom, especially close to the door. Really want to sit in one with the roof to see how much more is lost.

    Checked out the back seat room. Had the driver's seat all the way back. Enough room but barely..as my knees touched the back of the front seat. Headroom in the rear was understandably good. I didn't have a ruler so it was hard to judge where the lost 5 or so inches came from compared to the sedan. I thought the trunk initially...could still be the rear seat.

    Rear hatch opening not as wide as I had hoped. Hatch cover nothing special on the inside...even looked a bit flimsy. Rear seats folded relatively flat even with headrests attached...a nice plus compared to the Golf.

    There is a big red torsion bar? under the hood across the engine...or is that an anti-sway bar? Is that on the sedans or just the Miata?

    The car drove fine....just like the sedan although I thought the suspension was tighter because it took bumps harder. Could be the 50 series low profile tires.....can't say as to whether the inflation was right.

    All told....entry #1 is here! Waiting to see what the Elantra GT has to offer and then if still undecided, the ZX5 Focus. Only Focus will probably offer factory leather and traction control...although after market leather is OK too at the right place. Still a bummer if ABS has to be bundled with the roof.....the brochure shows them and the side air bags as stand alones.

    Anyway....my .02 worth. Still think Golf might be the standard bearer unless the reliability goes further south. Hate to reward an auto maker for forcing you to take the roof to get the safety stuff. The Pro is a winner though...but don't count on carrying a huge load.....almost forgot......nice looking standard roof rack....that can help a lot! The dealer said manuals are in his system and on the way so maybe no big delay.
  • mpgmanmpgman Posts: 723
    In response to the earlier post about the low arm rest/console cover on the Pro:

    Don't know about after market but you might see if a Focus center arm rest (similar to Golf/Jetta) could be retrofit.

    Good Luck!
  • tmundartmundar Posts: 70
    MPG Man,

    I believe that the metal bar that connects the strut towers in the engine compartment is called a "strut tower brace."

    A torsion bar is a suspension piece that takes the place of the spring in some suspension setups. The only car that I know has a torsion bar off the top of my head is in the suspension of older Porsche 911s. I know that I have read about a torsion bar suspension in other cars, but I don't remember any other specific cars.

    An anti-roll bar does connect both sides of the car's suspension together, but you have to look underneath the car to see it.

    Tom
  • rsparrowrsparrow Posts: 60
    from Canadian Driver... hadn't seen one in red yet... looks good!


    http://www.canadiandriver.com/previews/02protege5.htm

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,889
    I think a torsion bar can be used in several different setups and doesn't always do the same thing. I know, for one thing, that they were used on the S10 Blazer. I don't know about taking place of the springs in other cars (I would tend to doubt it, but anything is possible), but they definitely do not in the blazer. They are long rounds rods that run the length of the car underneath from the front suspension (if memory serves, i believe it connected roughly where the a-arm met the frame to the rear frame cross member just in front of the rear axle (that doesn't sound right, but I can't think of where else it might connect back there). I think, in this case, it serves to reduce flex and body roll. All I know is that we had to remove one of them to replace the transmission mount. Didn't even know they were there until that happened.

    Just throwing in more for confusion.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    Torsion just means twist.

    Typically, a torsion spring would be used in place of coil springs on the front suspension. Take a look at a 2wd Toyota pick-up 80's - 90's (not sure if they still use them or not). It's basically a 2.5 foot steel rod with splines at both ends and provides spring by resisting torque(another word for twist).

    Torsion bars are typically used to prevent twist of a solid rear axle as on the S-10 in the previous post.

    :)
  • I've called a few dealers and all of them are telling me 2 weeks at the soonest, probably mid-June. Does that mean that they have them and just don't know it? From the posts I've read here it doesn't sound like they know what they're talking about. I asked about the Protege5 and the salesguy was thinking MP3. He hadn't a clue.
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