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Honda Fit Safety & Crash Test Results

makabemakabe Posts: 50
As probably was expected, the Fit got 5 star ratings for the Front Driver and Passenger in the Frontal crash test. See the pix here and watch the video of the test here. The side test will follow soon.
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  • arlesarles Posts: 15
    I noticed on the the NHTSA site for the Fit, the side crash test results give the front seat with 5 stars, but the rear seat with 3 stars. (Aside from these ratings and the side crash video, no other information of the test is yet given.)

    NHTSA site for Fit: http://www.safercar.gov/NCAP/Cars/3844.html
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    The NHTSA side impact tests are outdated, because they score ONLY on torso injury. This leads to the counterintuitive result that a car with low torso injury marks, but FATAL head injury marks, will pass, while a car (like the Fit) showing some minor torso injury will get downrated to a 3 EVEN IF the head injury marks are excellent, meaning a passenger who walks away from the crash (clutching his or her ribs :P ) .

    So I'd like to see what the head injury numbers from NHTSA for rear passenger side impact are (they report them, they just don't include them in calculating the overall score - although in the link you posted the complete results haven't been uploaded yet). Are the comparable to the Honda Accord which has standard side curtain airbags? THAT would be very revealing.

    BTW, head injury numbers from NHTSA and IIHS are NOT comparable since IIHS deliberately uses a "small bodied" crash dummy to test protection on a small bodied female or child - another "handicap" which skews IIHS tests downwards. The small bodied dummy tests, essentially, how "low" the side curtain airbag drops (not a very useful airbag is you slide under it!).

    (Generally the reason why the front seat on four door cars test well is because the driver and front seat passenger are "framed" by the doorway, which is strong, while the rear seat passengers have only the trunk behind them, not a solid frame all the way around.)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,877
    The other reason the front passengers do better on side impact tests on cars like the Fit is because they benefit from the side airbags, while the rear passengers have only the curtain airbag.
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    Good point, Backy!
  • shopgirl5shopgirl5 Posts: 7
    I read somewhere that the tank is moved forward on the Honda Fit, under the front passenger or driver's seat. Does any one know if its the case, and if so, that sounds a bit frightening if you get hit at the seat.
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    The tank is under the front seats. I don't see that as a disadvantage, I see it as an advantage - lots more protection from rear-end collisions.
  • fitman548fitman548 Posts: 172
    A car fire killed several people this weekend in Phoenix when they were plowed into from behind, and the gas tank at the rear exploded.

    When the tank explodes, it won't much matter if it's under you or 18 inches behind you. But if you can keep it from taking damage by moving it to the center of the car, you might gain an advantage.
  • chevy02chevy02 Posts: 19
    Does anybody have any idea when the IIHS is going to test the FIT? I know they don't prerelease that information. I also noticed in the past they haven't tested the Echo, Aveo and other small compacts. Are they even going to bother with the new line up of Yaris, Versa, Aveo and Fit? Do they have to test all the 06s fist before they get to the 07s even though the 06s are available?
  • Ever notice they do side impact crash testing by using a 3015 lb barrier traveling at 31 mph ( safercar.gov ) ? This is supposed to represent getting hit by a pick-up truck. Hahahahaha.
    Have fun,
    Andrew
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,877
    The IIHS uses a bigger/taller and heavier barrier--to better simulate a pickup or SUV. Or the better to crush a Prius with I guess. :P
  • IIHS.org in the protocol section states they use a 1500 kg barrier ( is that 3300 lbs? ) at about same speed. Therefore, their test technically uses a heavier barrier but by a minimal amount and still at a no-confidence inspiring low speed.
    With my kid in the back of my vehicle i'll take my side impact 5 star rated suv over a tiny fuel efficient car that gets 5 stars in the same test.
    THx for the response,
    Andrew
  • prosaprosa Posts: 280
    With my kid in the back of my vehicle i'll take my side impact 5 star rated suv over a tiny fuel efficient car that gets 5 stars in the same test.

    Unlike the front impact test, the IIHS's side impact test is comparable across all vehicle types.
    That being said, there aren't too many small cars which score well.
  • I'd like to clarify b/c while the side impact is comparable across all vehicle types, the test puts the vehicles through a generously easy test. A small car might score even 5 stars, but picture a Toyota 4 runner hitting a Toyota Prius in the side at 55 mph.
    Thx, Andrew
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,877
    I wouldn't like to be in a 4Runner that is hit broadside at 55 mph by another 4Runner!

    I think one reason the NHTSA and IIHS do the side tests at the speed they do is because a direct side impact at freeway speeds is highly unlikely. Head-ons and sideswipes at that speed are more likely. On a side collision, you would normally need to be at an intersection. Those kinds of accidents are avoidable with dilligence (look before crossing the intersection), but of course they can happen when both drivers are careless.

    If we wanted the best protection possible, I guess we could all drive armored Humvees, but that would be impractical. One advantage a small, great-handling car like the Fit has over a much larger vehicle like an SUV is that it can avoid accidents better. So balancing both active safety and passive safety, small cars with good crash protection have their advantages.
  • Yours is a well thought out response. I might add that only Onstar equipped vehicles cover all 3 aspects of safety. 1.small cars do great at avoidance,
    2.large cars do great in a collision,
    3.Onstar provides post accident features lacking in other cars.
    My next car will be equipped with Onstar but I have to pay off my current suv first haha.
    Andrew
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,877
    They're he-eeeere! And the Fit did quite well for its class: G/G/P, bested in the mini-car class only by the Yaris sedan (with optional SABs, at G/G/M). So you can say the Fit is the top-performing hatchback in its class. The Versa scored G/G/G but is in the next weight class up from the Fit, so the frontal results shouldn't be directly compared.

    http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr121906.html
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,992
    From the IIHS Website on rear impact tests:

    "For each seat/head restraint, rear-end crash protection is an assessment of occupant protection against neck injury in rear impacts at low to moderate speeds. Although such injuries usually aren't serious, they occur frequently."

    So I think they're looking at the movement of adult heads back there in low speed impacts about 20mph. So kids in carseats should be okay back there.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,877
    How about the adults, including in front? It would be good if the Fit had active front head restraints, as does the Civic. It got a Good on IIHS rear impact.
  • jsuessjsuess Posts: 8
    The December 25th Automotive News has an article titled: "Smaller cars=bigger crash risk". The last paragraph states: "The Fit scores came after Honda agreed to revise front-impact airbag design and to recall cars built before the institute tests."
    Newes release from the IIHS is dated December 19, 2006.
  • I have been calling Honda every day since Dec 19th regarding this recall and I have been getting the total run-a-round. If your fit was manufactured before November than your airbag may deploy too soon - leaving you at risk for head injury.

    Honda has known about this problem for several months and has not yet released it to their dealers for repair -

    http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr121906.html

    I have contacted the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (888) 327-4236 and filed a formal complaint. They are fully aware of this issue.

    Everyone who owns a fit should call to complain. Your life is at stake!

    You should also contact your local press about this, and you should call Honda PR spokesman Sage Marie at 310-783-3163. Again, Your life is at stake!

    :confuse:
  • I just purchased my Fit about 3 weeks ago. How can I tell when it was manufactured?
  • It is probably written inside the drivers side door;

    Hopefully yours was made after November!
  • I would bet it is older, since they are shipped from Japan. I bought mine 3 weeks ago also. I think i'll be calling my dealer in the morning!
  • I looked on the drivers door and looks like it was manufactured in September. I guess it takes a while to get them over here and to the dealer.
  • Gang,

    Here's a quote from our local service mgr about the recall:

    talked to our rep from Honda, he said the update letters should be going out the end of this month or the first part of next month.

    John Scurlock
    Service Director
    First Texas Honda

    Regards,
    Bubba
  • I've been calling Honda every day since Dec 19th. Today they would not confirm what your rep said.

    Call 800-999-1009 - have your VIN handy and tell them to get off there duff and provide this safety repair to their customers.

    Call the GM of your dealership and complain that you are driving an unsave car.

    Luckily here in CA we have nice consumer protection laws--I hope your state does too!
  • But now they finally admitted that an "update" to the software is required. When? My guess is that they are not doing anything until they are forced to do so by the NHTSA.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,877
    The air bag fix came out of a test by the IIHS, not the NHTSA. Thus Honda is under no obligation to repair cars already on the road. Kudos to them for doing it, although they are taking their time. Nissan had a similar situation with the Versa--they made a design change based on IIHS crash test results. However, it appears Nissan is NOT retrofitting existing Versas.
  • Hi Guys,
    So its been a while since I've been on the Forum but this is some important news - why isn't this a bigger deal in the main threads?? Anyway, how do we know its just a software update? Is there any further word as to when this is going to be done? I'll be calling Honda America and my dealer this week and I'll post what I find out.
    -Matt
  • In the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety December crash testing of the Fit, the Institute found a life-threatening error with the driver's side airbag for all Fits manufactured before 11/06. Honda promised the IIHS that they would fix the problem, but 3 months later there's been no recall and no fix. The official report is here: http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=722

    Our online community needs to take this matter seriously and ensure our future safety. Honda is clearly aware of the issue but when I called Honda America they didn't seem to understand the urgency of the situation. If you get in an accident, you could sustain serious head injury or die because of this malfunction.

    Honda will only respond with urgency if their customers demand it. Please call Honda America at 1(800)999-1009 and have your VIN ready. Tell them that you're concerned about this issue and you demand that they fix it as soon as possible. Hopefully, with enough of a community response, Honda will fix this problem and save lives.
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