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VW Touareg SUV

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  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,968
    ...3 of them yesterday on a car carrier parked behind the commuter rail station we used yesterday.

    There was a truckload of new VW's and 3 of them were wagon/SUV shaped vehicles completely wrapped in the shipping plastic except for the front and rear windows. You couldn't see a thing. I don't follow this topic - I know of this vehicle but it was odd to see them wrapped up like that.

    Of course Boston is a huge import location for VW's so it doesn't suprise me to see them here. The port location is near my office so I like to go by there at times to see what's coming off the boat.
  • pkraddpkradd Posts: 358
    The new issue (September?) has a positive review of the Touareg (other then the name - talk about manufacturer's arrogance!) as well as the Phaeton.
  • agh15agh15 Posts: 90
    Their going to be an Audi suv based on the volkswagen touareg, if the is touareg going to be priced 35,000 to 50,000 and the porsche cayenne is priced from 60,000 to 90,000 thats not leaving any room for the audi suv.
  • mliongmliong Posts: 231
    believing that anyone will be using half the techno-features of the Touareg.

    If people hardly even take their $25-$30 SUVs off the road, I doubt anyone would for the $50+K Touareg!
  • Anyne having any photos or info on colors - pls post or provide links. Also some authoritative info on the US availabilty of the TDI's, would be nice.
    Cheers
    Pat
  • I'm still waiting and hoping for some new and maybe a little bit more detailed info' in respect to the NA model content, availability, etc.


    Heres a few bits and pieces which have been made available lately:


    Article on the September 26th world premier of the Touareg at the Paris Motor Show:


    Click here for article


    New pics from VWVortex:


    Offroad--


    Click here for offroad pic 1


    Click here for offroad pic 2


    Click here for offroad pic 3


    Closeup of the NAV--


    Click here for closeup of NAV


    Can anybody else provide more information or details? I'd especially be curious if it will be available with a 6-speed manual ...there's been conflicting reports about this.


    TIA


    --'rocco

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,710
    there will be a 6-speed, manual and automatic, but the manual will not come Stateside.

    Bob
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,583
    Edmunds' coverage of the Tourareg at the Paris Auto Show is here.



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  • I know that I wouldn't pay 50,000 for a VW. I know that they are very nice cars but when you start getting to that much money, why not go for a BMW or Mercedes-Benz? The Touareg and Phaeton look like extremely nice cars, I just know that I personally would have a hard time spending that kind of money on "The People's Car". I'd feel better buying a luxury brand car. However if Volkswagen does good in the luxury market and people start to associate Volkswagen with luxury then maybe I would buy an expensive Volkswagen.
  • thor8thor8 Posts: 303
    I understand what you are saying about brand recognition, but first of all the SUV will not start out at that much, that figure is for the V10 diesel with 560ft/lbs torque, that is a high tech engine without the clatter and weigth of domestic pickup engines, at that torque is the most poverfull engine you will find in any SUV, in fact is as powerfull as those found in big dually trucks, the towing rate of the Touareg is almost 8,000lbs way more than MBZ or BMW, as it stands is the only game in town, so you are getting something for your money other than fine leather or a fancy CD.
  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Posts: 890
    I'm more concerned about VW's reputation for poor service (in this area) and reliabilty than I am about paying more for the VW brand name. When you get into this price range you want luxury build quality and the type of service associated with the other luxury names. I'm skeptical that VW's dealer network is up to the task.

    That said, the Touareg looks great, inside and out, and I'm anxious to give it a closer look and test drive once it arrives. A few questions if anyone knows:

    1. Will VW dealers provide loaners, wash the car, etc. when you take these higher-priced "luxury" vehicles in for service?

    2. Will free scheduled maintenance be provided, like their Audi brand? (I own two Audi's and have come to really appreciate this).

    3. Will the V10 diesel definitely be coming the U.S.? If so, when?
  • My Audi dealership also sells VWs and from what my Audi salesperson tells me --and he admits that he doesn't yet know for sure-- only certain VW dealerships will sell the Touareg and the Phaeton. Evidently, VW dealerships will have to meet certain criteria in order to qualify. He feels his dealership will almost certainly sell both vehicles for they are also a Porsche dealer and will be offering the Cayenne shortly.


    This dealership is a rather low volume dealer which is located in a smaller town that is not a bedroom community of a major metropolitan city. They already provide excellent service for their VW clients and even though not required to do so, wash cars after they are serviced. People whom Ive talked to that have purchased VWs there, tell me that they feel as if they get treated no differently than an Audi customer.


    The decision to offer service loaners is usually up to the individual dealership. I know many Audi dealerships that dont offer them for routine scheduled services. The only stipulation that comes from Audi of America is that they'll reimburse the dealer for a service loaner to be given to the customer if the car has to be kept over night for warranty repairs.


    So, my suspicion is that VW dealerships which are chosen to sell the Touareg and Phaeton will be a cut above the ordinary VW dealer. There is a VW salesperson (vwguild?) who posts on many of the Town Hall VW forums who could probably give more definitive answers to these questions. I know there have been many discussions on the Phaeton forum about this subject and he has given many explanations on Volkswagens future dealership plans. I really haven't followed those discussions so you might peruse the Phaeton forum (or it could have even been in the Passat forum<?>) to see where these discussions were taking place.


    Will free scheduled maintenance be offered on the Touareg and Phaeton? I would suspect so. You'd have to think that they'd want to offer that just to stay competitive with their competition.


    From what Ive been reading, the V10 diesel will be delayed coming to the U.S. because they need as much time as possible to fiddle with the smog controls so that it will be able to meet the stringent California emmisions requirements. I believe I read that on one of the VWVortex forums. If I can find it, I'll post the link later. What comes to my mind at the present time is a mid 2004 introduction. Oh wait, I found it (third article down on the following page): Click here and go to the third article on the page


    And the links below lead to one of the most comprehensive articles I've seen so far pertaining to the Touareg (I have not even read them completely myself):


    Click here for part 1


    Click here for part 2


    --'rocco

    p.s. please excuse the lack of apostrophes ...Edmund's software must be goofing off this morning.

  • thor8thor8 Posts: 303
    Read the article, very impressive vehicle, it offers a lot more on the mechanical department than what I thought. My experience of the last few years is that VW quality is high especially the materials they use on the inside.
  • andrew, yeah, VW's interior fit and finish have really improved over the years ...almost to the point of Audi standards. Even the Jetta's interiors are impressive although I know many Jetta owners who complain of interior rattles and creaking.

    And what VW's plans for their distribution network for the Phaeton and Touareg, was called something like "brand standards" and has all been discussed, I believe, on the Phaeton forum. Maybe I can get vwguild to give us a quick reiteration on it again.

    --'rocco
  • Well, vwguild must be busy selling cars ...the Passat forum has been absolutely dead recently.


    Heres another extremely comprehensive article that just came out yesterday ...an 8-page synopsis on almost everything you might want to know about the Touareg (some of it is a rehash of the previous article I posted):


    Click here for article from GermanCarFans


    --'rocco

  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    Sorry for the delay...not a great deal of leisure time of late...Here is the short version...1999 Dealer Principal Meeting, Palm Springs, Ca./MarketPlace Initiative introduced...
    I have a MarketPlace Ltd. Edition print, framed & hanging on the wall behind my desk...the not so subliminal message is the *2003* above the door as the address...

    Cut to May 2001/Berlin, Germany/Dealer Principal
    Meeting...Brand Standards Program introduced and incorporated into the *Basic Dealer Agreement*...

    All VWOA Dealers are to be compliant with Brand Standards by the end of this Quarter...

    Although all VW Dealers will have *the opportunity* to sell the Phaeton & the Touareg... logic dictates that only those with State of the Art facilities and a Technical Staff that has been trained on these products will actually get that opportunity.

    VWAG has invested hundreds of millions Euros on the development & production of these vehicles. The No. Am. Dealers that have embraced this vision & the dedication and level of commitment that will be required to serve the Phaeton & Touareg customer will be rewarded... Those that have not will most probably *miss* this opportunity...
  • vwguild-- Any idea about whether the Touareg will have the Audi like 4-year free maintenance as Joel suggested?

    And I realize that most reports state that the Touareg won't be offered with a manual transmission here in N.A. but can you confirm that for sure. I suppose a vehicle of that size and configuration wouldn't have much of a demand for a 6-speed manual here in the states but I'd for sure wait for it if offered in the VR6 version. Obviously the six speed automatic would be logical for the V8 and the especially for the TDI but I'd sure like to see a manual available with the V6.

    --'rocco
  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    We won't see the TDI until the oil companies start producing low sulfur diesel. That sweet V10 diesel wouldn't run on our garbage diesel.

    U.S. Government is giving oil companies until 2006 to clean up our diesel - big oil is fighting it every step of the way.

    I'd be in hog heaven if we could get the diesels that Europe enjoys - I have an X5 which I would have gotten with the BMW Europe only diesel. I'm a huge fan of VW's, I'd abandon BMW for a comparable VW in a heart beat. I think VW's move up-market will be a success as long as their dealers are kept in line.
  • Rick-- Very interesting comments. But everything I've read so far leads me to believe that VW is planning on bringing the V10 to the U.S. eventually. Nobody has mentioned it was a matter of the quality of diesel we have here only that it doesn't meet our stringent emission requirements. Maybe that's the inherent problem ...our lousy diesel produces much more emissions in that same engine than it would in Europe (?).

    --'rocco
  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Posts: 890
    I don't know if it's because of emission requirements - how can other diesel engines such as that in the big Dodge Ramcharger meet them? Maybe it's because the higher-tech VW diesel is not designed to run on our low quality diesel, which would make it run rough or possibly do it harm? Hope this dirty fuel situation gets resolved, as this sounds like the engine of choice. That torque rating is unbelievable, plus the mpg and lower fuel cost per gallon to boot....
  • Joel-- I was just thinking that myself. Yeah, now that I think about it, I suppose that article I posted above could just be covering-up the real reason why the V10 TDI will be delayed coming to N.A. and that would be our lousy diesel ...or at least you and Rick have me convinced at this point.

    --'rocco
  • Here's the excerpt from that article I posted earlier in the week ...it sounds legitimate but like I say, Joel and Rick have made some good points about our "diesel quality." The following quoted excerpt is just one of several I've read on the subject:

    "VW SETTING U.S DIESEL STRATEGY
    Look for Volkswagen to bring its stump-pulling V-10 turbo-diesel to the U.S. inside the new Touareg SUV &#150; but not until the second quarter of 2004, according to Matthias Kroll, the sport-ute project&#146;s director. The Touareg/V-10 package is receiving early raves from the media, but Kroll cautions VW doesn&#146;t want to bring that diesel powerplant in immediately. Instead, the German automaker believes it needs a &#147;really clean&#148; diesel system that will use new trap technology to filter out particulates in order to meet increasingly stringent emissions standards. VW&#146;s current diesels cannot be sold in California, and could be pushed out of the U.S. entirely by mid-decade without the new pollution hardware, which Kroll hints is now in the active testing stage. When the V-10 is added to the U.S. Touareg powertrain list, Volkswagen also intends to bring to the U.S. updated versions of its four-, six- and possibly its five-cylinder diesels, which would be used in the Jetta, Golf and Passat models. Currently, diesels command little demand in the States, but a growing number of industry officials believe they could see a sharp rise in demand, especially if Mideast issues force up fuel prices. In Europe, where gasoline often tops $5 a gallon, diesels currently have about a 40-percent share of the market. &#151;Paul Eisenstein"


    --'rocco
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    in our currently available #2 is significantly higher than is necessary...And that has an effect, I believe, on emissions when it crosses the Platinum lined catalytic converter that is standard in our TDI Engines...at least the 1.9L.

    Additionally, Truck emission standards are, of course, different than those for passenger cars...
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    I hope the rest of this paragraph is more accurate than the statement that "VW's current diesels cannot be sold in California"; that is patently false information...In addition, North East emission standards are the same as California's.
  • "...In addition, North East emission standards are the same as California's."

    That's what I thought.

    So, in all probability, we really can't rely on anything that author states?

    --'rocco
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    one thing that is accurate is the *demand* aspect
    of Diesel, and that is true primarily because of
    perception vs. reality.

    A vast number of people believe that all diesel engines spew clouds of black smoke, they smell, they are loud, and that Diesel#2 fuel is hard to find.

    Diesel #2 is available everywhere, and the common ground of the other complaints is secondary to driving behind buses, big trucks, and MBZ 300SDs...;)
  • but I know that many modern trucks and especially the buses that municipalities are now purchasing, are now equipped with particulate traps --as mentioned in the above quoted excerpt-- and their emissions are now quite clean ...almost to the point where I no longer mind driving behind a city bus ...well, almost. *lol*

    So maybe there's hope.

    --'rocco
  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Posts: 890
    Hope they get it figured out and import the V10 TDI as soon as possible. I would be interested in either the V8 or the diesel...

    Changing subjects a little, what do you guys think of the Touareg's looks? From the pictures I think it's one of the best-looking SUV's I've seen, even nicer than the BMW and Volvo, IMO. The feature content looks great too, especially the air suspension which I've really come to appreciate in my allroad - great for towing as it stays level no matter the rear-end load.

    I'm also wondering how it will track and drive, compared to the X5 for example. I really don't want to go back to a truck-like (typical SUV) ride. The handling + go factor is what interests me - if they're both really good I plan to take a real good look at this vehicle, but I'm in no rush as our '98.5 A4 (which the Touareg would conceivable replace) still drives and looks great.
  • Joel-- I agree, from the pics I've seen so far, the Touareg is definitely one of the best looking SUVs around. However, I have always loved the styling and the sculptured details of the X5 ...I really think it has nice lines.

    For me, where the Touareg really shines is its instrument cluster. It's definitely the best I've seen on any vehicle, IMO. The interior in general, from the pics I've seen, also looks much nicer than the X5's.

    And in my case, it's the tranny that will make the decision for me. If it's offered with a 6-speed manual, I'll buy one for sure. If not, I guess I'll try to pick up an allroad if they're not discontinued before the Touareg is actually available.

    As for the handling, I'd have to suspect that it won't be as good as your allroad because of its higher center of gravity but it should outperform the X5 ...I'd have to imagine.

    The acceleration and torque of that V10 TDI sounds amazing ...in fact, everything about that engine sounds amazing. Let's see how long it is before we get it here; if we ever get it here. I know it won't be available with a manual tranny but if I were ever considering towing a trailer, I'd definitely would consider it.

    --'rocco
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