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Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans

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  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,206
    Paragraphs are helpful things. I've deleted the rest, but that was the primary point.

    I'm looking forward to buying one of those small cheap (in this case, red) compacts -- a 325i. You probably don't care, but most of the rest of the world does quite nicely with smaller cars with smaller engines. I guess you come from the "size matters" school of thought. Let's hear it for "presence."

    Another board has put forth the notion that any vehicle with less than 250 hp has no business claiming to be luxury in any shape, manner, or form. Others of us think differently.

    Handling matters. Fuel mileage matters. Many things matter that American marketing tends to ignore. You are entitled to your opinion, but so are the rest of us.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    So I ended up going from an e46 330i ZHP to an e90 330i. If Infiniti can button down the handling, I'd be happy to jumop ship.
  • bdr127bdr127 Posts: 950
    As far as I'm concerned, there are still no real competitors to the G35 in a RWD 6MT sedan.

    Just because you don't like the dimensions and rear-end styling of the new 3-series, it doesn't mean that it's not a "real competitor" to the G35.....
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,889
    Just because you don't like the dimensions and rear-end styling of the new 3-series, it doesn't mean that it's not a "real competitor" to the G35.....

    How about the fact that a premium pack 330i is $4500 more than a premium pack G35?

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • robertrrobertr Posts: 125
    Sorry I thought my post was clear that I was expressing my opinion of my choices with my money. For my money it is the right size and offers what I want and the others don't and again it is my money I am spending. It is like ones opinion whether he likes spinach or the color purple, its not arguable but it may certainly be discussed. If you all want posts with facts than why bother - just go to a car magazine, manufacturers specs etc. I thought these boards were about OPINIONs and impressions. Posts constantly regurgitating the same facts would be boring indeed-ie "the Infinit has 298 HP, the Lexus has 306 HP".
    I was actually looking forward to checking out the new 3-series and I was expressing my dissapointment and I thought I was being respectful and conveying my thoughts about my decision process as other posters are talking about theirs. I was and am really somewhat upset that I find no other alternatives attractive at this time. I did not say that there were no alternatives for others, only that there are none for ME at this time who wants a 6MT sedan (not a coupe), in the right size for me (not too big, not too small), etc. If price were no object and a coupe was desired my First Choice would be an M3 and that is just the right size for that type of car. If you don't want to hear others comparisons/opinions than what's the point of discussing them? I don't think I criticized anyone elses opinion and did not expect to get flamed for apparently having the "wrong" opinion. I have been very happy with my choice of a G35 and would not want it to be smaller (or bigger) but I do need to decide on a replacement for it.
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,756
    Not owning any of these cars (I did own a BMW 1600 for 10 years from 1970 to 1980), I have no particular bias one way or the other. As such, I interpreted your first post as simply your opinion why the G35 fits your needs best.

    Unfortunately, some people don't like it when their opinion of which is the "best" car isn't shared by everyone. That's why all these Edmunds forums continue to rehash the same discussions over and over. And probably few, if any, opinions have been changed.
  • bdr127bdr127 Posts: 950
    How about the fact that a premium pack 330i is $4500 more than a premium pack G35?

    qbrozen: That might be your reasoning, but the original poster (robertr) never gave that as a reason. I highly suggest reading through his post.
  • bdr127bdr127 Posts: 950
    I posted this over in the "BMW 3-Series 2006+" forum, but I thought it is applicable here, as well.

    Good safety review for BMW and its new 3-series....

    http://www.iihs.org/ratings/ratingsbyseries.aspx?id=458
  • I agree. It's really about the price. More for the BMW, less for the Subaru. It seems that over four years, the G35 sedan is evolving into the coupe, with headroom. It's also lighter, and cheaper. Evenso, it has gained weight, (3369 to 3449), and relatively more in the front (52:48 to 53:47). Does anyone know the specific technical differences? One more thing but I digress. Are splash guards really really worth interrupting those clean lines?
  • potemkinpotemkin Posts: 196
    Wow, do I envy you.

    I wish I could decide whether or not a car was worthy of my hard-earned money based simply on seeing one in a lot. Sure would save me a lot of time -- then again, I like test driving new cars. I usually have to test drive them before I can dismiss them (except when they don't over a manual, then it's a slam-dunk).

    P.S.: For the record, I think the new 3 is too big. Bring back the E30! :D
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,889
    Since you quoted him, I didn't think it necessary. If the quote you pulled wasn't representative of your argument ... well, let's just say you might want to be more careful and direct in the future to avoid confusion. No harm done.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • meademeade Posts: 2
    I am trying to decide which one is the better value. I need a car that will handle well on bad roads as I live in the upper midwest. I know the A4 Quattro will be less expensive, but am concerned about reliability after reading many postings. Any thoughts would be appreciated?
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Assumption: When you say, "I need a car that will handle well on bad roads as I live in the upper midwest." What you are really saying is, "I need a car that can absorb rough roads and pot holes without destroying wheels and tires.

    I would think that either would be sufficient, assuming of course that you don't opt for the Sport Package on the A4 2.0T (which has the same rubber as does the A4 3.2). It all rests with the amount of distance between the rim and the tread. Consider the following:

    Audi A4 3.2: Tire: 235/45 R17 -- Sidewall height: 4.20"
    BMW 325i & xi: Tire: 205/55 R16 -- Sidewall height: 4.44"
    Audi A4 2.0T: Tire: 215/55 R16 -- Sidewall height: 4.66"

    As you can see, the non-SP version of the A4 2.0T has the greatest side wall height while the narrower tread of the 325i will allow it to cut through the snow better. Which one is the best? If you want AWD and a true SP, then your only option is the A4.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • poodog13poodog13 Posts: 320
    I am trying to decide which one is the better value. I need a car that will handle well on bad roads as I live in the upper midwest. I know the A4 Quattro will be less expensive, but am concerned about reliability after reading many postings. Any thoughts would be appreciated?

    Audi's are getting killed in reliability ratings lately. Are you committed to an entry-level luxury sedan? Those w/ low profile tires & billed as "great handling" will almost certainly provide a rough ride in upper midwest roads (i.e. pothole city). Maybe consider something along lines of Acura MDX if you want the luxury feel and the good ride quality.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "Maybe consider something along lines of Acura MDX if you want the luxury feel and the good ride quality."

    At the expense of any decent handling at all. Any 3-Series or A4, even without the Sport Package will be able to run rings around an MDX. Geez, I cannot even in my weirdest dreams (nightmares actually) imagine cross shopping an MDX with either of the two German sedans meade is looking at.

    Thought #2, maybe meade is looking for a sedan that has a manual transmission, that in and of itself would rule out an MDX.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • mradelmradel Posts: 1
    I just traded my 4 year old 325xi in for a A4 Cabriolet. That is Audi's 3.0 AWD convertable. I believe that I may trade my loyalty to Audi for good. I also have a BMW X3. The A4 did go for $50K but it is a solid, luxurious performance vehical. A big reason for the trade is that I was tired of taking the BMW to the shop. The 325xi had recently developed rattles in the back seat that prevented me from driving it or being a passenger. I love the A4! Many things seem "smarter" in the Cabriolet. The transmission is a fancy multitronic breed and is very nice. Many of the techno features seem better. The luxury inside is more plush in the Audi. Have yet to see how it is in four years, however many reviews out there point at this model as being a solid value.
  • bdr127bdr127 Posts: 950
    I just traded my 4 year old 325xi in for a A4 Cabriolet. A big reason for the trade is that I was tired of taking the BMW to the shop.

    Umm, you're tired of taking your BMW to the shop...... so you bought an Audi?!?! Yikes....
  • potemkinpotemkin Posts: 196
    So, taking an Audi to the shop isn't as tiresome?
  • bdr127bdr127 Posts: 950
    So, taking an Audi to the shop isn't as tiresome?

    My point was that Audi tends to have a worse reliability/service record than BMW.... It certainly isn't an upgrade, which is what the original poster was implying.
  • potemkinpotemkin Posts: 196
    bdr,

    M bad, I pressed the wrong "reply" button. Sorry.
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