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Subaru Legacy/Outback 2005+

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  • frankwfrankw Posts: 22
    My OBXT now has about 1200 miles. I wouldn't call it a rattle but I hear very subtle, random "ticking" in the console area. I thought it might be CD cases bouncing off each other but it continued when I took them out. Your suggestion that it might be console panels rubbing sounds right.

    For some reason I really enjoy driving the car more than I did the X5 that I traded. The word "nimble" comes to mind. I still want to get better tires eventually.
  • jmessjmess Posts: 677
    Factory installed HIDs with legal bulbs work very well. Most of the bad rap or standout factor comes from aftermarket HIDs and/or illegal bulbs. If HIDs are available for your car you will like them alot.
  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    Tom: That is about the best "switcher" story I have heard. I am glad to hear that you made a sensible decision! I think a lot of people are in the same situation you were in with a big SUV.

    --

    I have gotten three kayaks on my Outback at once, a bike and a kayak on once occasion, and a kayak and a canoe on another occasion. No problem at all. Whenever possible, I try to run bow/stern ropes to the front and rear tow hooks as additional insurance. I don't think they are needed with a good rack system, but it's good to have an extra factor of safety.

    Most of the time it's me and my one kayak. I find the Outback is an ideal boater car.

    I have had kids and adults in the back seat, and never gotten complaints. I can see how it might be tight for big adults, but there is plenty of room for kids and smaller adults. Actually, I am 6'1" 235lb and I spent a couple hours in the back seat of my parent's Outback a couple of Christmas' ago with two other people in the seat. Not really a problem, and I noticed that you get a real cushy ride in the backseat. My parent's have an 00 Outback with the H4 engine and 5-speed, and it had no problems travelling through hills with 5 passengers.

    Craig
  • andmoonandmoon Posts: 320
    being jealous of all you 05 owners! I am hoping the crash test results soften dealer pricing. Does anyone know the wheel offset and width of the OB and legacy?
  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    I was just looking at the 17" wheels on my XT, and the offset is 48mm. I assume the width is 7", that would make sense for 225 tires and it's the most common width for 17" wheels.

    I still haven't sold my WRX yet, and am toying with swapping the tires and wheels over to the Outback, at least temporarily, to see how it affects handling. Onthe WRX, I have 225-45/WR-17 ultra high performance summer tires on 17x7 wheels with a 50mm offset. Bet that would transform the Outback quite a bit.... only downside is that the summer tires are noisy.

    Craig
  • hypovhypov Posts: 3,068
    Craig-
    the wheel width should be stamped on there too.

    -Dave
  • andmoonandmoon Posts: 320
    thanks for the response. I have 17x7.5 48mm offset wheels and I would like to mount them on the 05 legacy with 225/45's or on the OB (if wife wins) with a plus 0. Anyone try this yet?
  • dcm61dcm61 Posts: 1,457
    I assume the width is 7"

    That's what the Outback brochure says.

    only downside is that the summer tires are noisy.

    And you'll be loosing ground clearance, recording more miles and driving slower than indicated, which may not be bad anyway :-) I'm sure you knew all that anyway.

    DaveM
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    When I was at the dealer yesterday, I had them examine the "click" sound that comes right before I come to a stop. The shop foreman believed it was being caused by a solenoid that engages the shift lock. They noticed that the latch which is activated by the solenoid wasn't lubricated and tried addressing it that way first. They also noticed that the screws which hold the center console were a bit loose so they tightened them down -- probably from the port installation of the subwoofer.

    The click sound is somewhat diminished now, but not completely gone. It could be that I just have a noisy solenoid -- something that could be replaced on a future date. The subtle console "rubbing" noise, however seems to have disappeared.

    Anyone notice that the GT brake pads seem to generate more dust than previous Subaru models? I don't know if it's the larger rotors, but I do notice that my wheels get dirtier sooner than with my Forester. It's not anywhere near European car brake dust, but noticeably more than before.

    On my ride home, there is a long uphill where two lanes merge into one. A Miata was stopped next to me at the bottom of the hill last night and we just happened to start at the same time.

    I had my LGT in SPORT mode and gave it a leisurely 1/3 throttle application and started up the hill. Well, the Miata driver somehow thought I was trying to race him up the hill and cut him off because he redlined in first and chirped his tires in 2nd. When I noticed the ruckus next to me, I felt bad and in a act of self-restraint, I backed off the throttle and let him cut in ahead of me. I couldn't help but to chuckle at the thought of what if I went to WOT.

    Ken
  • andmoonandmoon Posts: 320
    Still fighting the wife over OB/legacy. I use a tow hitch for my bikes and my next vehicle has to have a hitch. I don't see one offered for the legacy. Anyone fit an OB one?
  • bat1161bat1161 Posts: 1,784
    Don,

    Check out etrailer.com. They have the hitches for the 05's starting at $140. I picked up a hitch for my 2000 from them, and it works great for the bike rack.

    Mark
  • andmoonandmoon Posts: 320
    Thanks Mark.
    I got my hitch for my wrx from them. I was surprised Subaru doesn't list one.
    Don
  • jon_in_ctjon_in_ct Posts: 137
    Originally posted by njswamplands:
    i am not past the angst. the test results speak for themselves. subaru even had a second chance.

    i dont know what to add to the discussion so my posts on this have stopped but my angst lives on.
    I'm with you. According to the transcript of the Dateline July 25 broadcast, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5480632/
    With the fix, the head airbags work properly and the dummy's head is protected. But [IIHS President Brian] O'Neill says because of the car's design, the driver's torso takes a heavy blow, possible broken bones and organ damage.

    If you were in a real world crash of this severity, you would not walk away,” says O’Neill. “You'd be hurt really badly.”
    That is not an option for my next car. I'd initially held back from buying a new Legacy or Outback due to the lack of amenities. I ended up being lucky and will await an SOA announcement that the Legacy/Outback front seat side airbags have been changed so they actually do protect the front row occupants.
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    "Adding to the thrill-seeking pleasures is an available five-speed automatic transmission with manual ability teamed with a dual-mass flywheel that dampens torsional vibrations"

    I thought the manual tranny used the dual-mass flywheel.

    Positive review, though -- especially on the 5EAT.

    Ken
  • rsorganizersorganize Posts: 131
    I should stop now. Indeed, I fully intend for this to be my last comment on this subject. I apologize to all of those who have had enough.

    I'm not an engineering match for almost everyone - if not everyone - who has addressed this issue. But, I must be missing something here??

    Granted, the IIHS test result is disturbing. But, doesn't the Toyota Camry recall, after the good rating from IIHS, suggest SOME caution and raise SOME questions about the test?

    And, doesn't the comprative excellence of the Subarau in the NCAP tests count for anything??!! The Subaru outperformed EVERY car tested/listed by the Austalian NCAP. With 5 Stars, it surpassed these vehicles (all with dual front, side and head bags): Mercedees M class, Range Rover, Audi A4, BMW 3 class, Honda Accord Euro, Mazda 6, Passat and the Volvo S80. It also scored higher, in aggregate, than other 5 Star rated: Volvo S40 (2004), Volvo XC 90 and BMW X5. That is, scored higher in the same tests!! In most cases, the differences were in the front offset crashes. Should we be concerned about everyone of these cars that performed worse than the Subaru on the same, front/front offset crash tests? Shouldn't all of these vehicles be taken off everyone's lists, too?

    Admiitedly, I'm a layperson - a historian by training and an organizer and political activist, by vocation and avocation So, I really am out of my depth on the engineering/science of this. But, I don't think I'm stupid. I AM concerned about the IIHS test and eagerly await tests on the wagons (Legacy and, especially, OB). But, if the Subaru out-scores/performs all of these other vehicles in the SAME tests...seems to me that this is important. The OB at least equalled or surpassed all of the vehicles, listed above, on the NCAP side impact test (which some have dismissed, in comparison to the IIHS test); and, it surpassed ALL of them on the front crash tests!

    Seems to me that the TOTAL package re:safety is superior. Since I cannot choose how I'm going to be hit/crash should that ever happen, the NCAP tests, at least, suggest that one would be hard-pressed to find overall/total protection better than the Subaru.

    OK, I'm done with this subject.

    Peace.
  • kmartinkmartin Posts: 427
    Ken, I have found that the Bass Booster works pretty well for the low end sound. Most of the treble comes through my system pretty well. The same setting sounds pretty good through cheap headphones, too.

    Best thing to do is just find a rather loud, monotonous song (rap would work :-) and play around with each setting. Every album has a different tone quality to start with, depending on what the audio engineers did to the original tunes.

    I have to admit am having WAY too much fun with the OB, the iPod, and FM. (Does anyone speak in whole words these days?)

    -KarenM-
    http://members.cox.net/kamartin/2005outbackreviews.html
  • lumbarlumbar Posts: 421
    FWIW, I may have even less engineering knowledge than you, and will say right up front that I would not permit this issue alone to stop me from buying the car. Frankly, I'm still somewhat more bothered by the braking issue that surfaced here recently.

    That said, my concern is not how well Subaru performs *relative to other vehicles* in tests. My concern is whether the vehicle provides a sufficient level of real world side impact protection. To the extent the Aussie test would indicate that it does, so much the better. To the extent the IIHS test, and, in particular, the remarks of the official quoted above, indicate that the vehicle does not, that *has* to be seen as something of a negative IMO, unless one wants to dismiss a seemingly reputable testing body and its work--regardless of whether there are conflicting reports from elsewhere.

    The other issue that I believe is at work here is that Subaru markets on safety--not as much as Volvo perhaps, but to a considerable extent. When a company creates expectations, it also can expect disappointment at the first sign those expectations may not be fulfilled.
  • kmartinkmartin Posts: 427
    Base 2.5i, Champagne Gold/Granite Grey

    1. Nearly 4k miles, and nary a rattle or suspicious noise. Very quiet, comfy, nimble, and I still pinch myself every time I climb in!

    2. Brake dust on the wheels is less now, so I am assuming the brakes will soon quit making a mess on my clear car :-)

    3. No one yet makes an iPod dock connector for the Subaru-specific audio harness. Keep watching those boards, though, because they can't be far off. Adapters for other models are coming out every day. We've all caught the "Beemer bug".

    4. MPG still creeping up. I averaged well over 27mpg on a mostly highway trip across town, about 80 miles round trip. Average mpg for these last 100 miles is up to around 24.3...not bad for mostly city driving. Probably would have been better had I discovered that nail in my left rear tire sooner...

    5. Anyone else having problems with your headlights blinding oncoming traffic? I've been flashed several tmes (headlights, that is :-) I am certain folks think I have my brights on. I will have the dealer check those when I go in for another oil change (soon).

    -KarenM-
    http://members.cox.net/kamartin/2005outbackreviews.html

    PS: on a funny side note: last night at a homeowners association meeting (I am a board member), we had a local police officer as a guest speaker talking about block watch, and specifically about watching for car thieves. In his attempt to make up an example, he said "Let's say there's this guy trying to steal a champagne gold SUV"...I had to blurt out loud, "Hey! Wait a minute...that's MY car!" Everyone in the room had a good chuckle out of that.
  • Hi. I am seriously considering buying a Legacy/Outback, but one concern is VDC/ESP. TO get VDC, I should get a VDC model which is the mose expensive one. Does VDC really work even if it is AWD?

    The VDC model of Outback has almost similar price tag with VW passat v6 GLX w/ 4Motion. How would you guys compare with VW passat?

    I live in Calgary, Canada, and wehave tons of snowl, so I need little bit more og fround clearance. So I'm into outback turbo or VDC.

    Thanks.

    Brian
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