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2009 BMW 3-Series

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,863
    If you are happy with the 328, then don't drive the 335... That will be one very expensive test drive...

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  • jmarounjmaroun Posts: 132
    Well, it seems my 08 335i (manual with sports package) may have also fallen victim to HPFP (high pressure fuel pump) failure. I took the car in yesterday because for the past two-three days, ignition times have been intermittently taking upward of 5 to 7 seconds. Classic symtoms of the well known, wide spreed, fuel pump failure that has plagued the 335i since it's intitial debut 2 years ago! I thought my late production (June 2008 build date) model would have a propper fix but I guess not. I thought wrong. This leads me to believe that either BMW has no propper fix, or that they are intentionally selling cars with fuel pumps that have a high propability of failure. I don't have access to the statistics but judging by reports on edmunds, m3post, topix and many other smaller websites (just google 335i fuel pump), I'd bet the chances are around 50-50 for a 335i to have this issue. I haven't heard of any 09s failing, but I have no reason to assume the 09s have been propperly fixed.
    I haven't heard back from the dealer yet, but judging by the many posts I've read, I'd bet not only is the fuel pump bad..but they will try to patch it up with software rather than replace the pump. A software fix, according to forum reports, will result in higher throttle pressure during ignition as well as higher rpm for lower gears.
    Such a fix, according to forum reports, not only alters normal throttle characteristics and introduces turbo lag, but also has a good chance of being temporary at best. Reports of fuel pumps failing even after a software fix are all over the net. I'd be happy if they just replaced the pump with a propperly designed one.

    For now, I must live with the 328 auto that they loaned me. I wouldn't mind this car if it were smoke free (obviously..someone has smoked heavily in this car before .. it's even worse when the AC is turned on)..and if it didn't have a hard limiter (5k rpm) which not onlyl cuts engine power @ 5krmp, but actually feels as though it pulses the brakes! This almost caused an accident the first time it happened since I was unaware that such a mechanism was in place!!

    Please note:
    I'm actually very pleased with BMW support and service. They took the car in immediately and were very nice. I do appreciate the loaner..even if it is a lesser car. Such service more than compensates for the inconvience which is some-what expected for high performance machines. I just hope they do the right thing and replace the fuel pump, if it is indeed faulty, with a good one.

    Mainly at this point,.. I already miss my 335i..and want her back soon.

    I will keep the world community posted on this.. I hope it turns out well.

    Joseph
    San Diego
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    ...and if it didn't have a hard limiter (5k rpm) which not onlyl cuts engine power 5krmp, but actually pulses the breaks. This almost caused an accident the first time it happened since I was unaware that such a mechanism was in place!!

    Call me a skeptic, but sorry, I absolutely don't believe that there is a device on your loaner car that will press the brake pedal for you if you exceed 5,000 RPMs in any gear.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    There does not seem to be a lot of information relating to this issue. You may be one of the unlucky ones. I hope your new 09 S4 fairs better.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,676
    We told you not to buy another BMW...

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Well, I'm sure we all hope it turns out well. Sounds like you've already decided that it won't, though...
  • jmarounjmaroun Posts: 132
    Pat,

    That makes no sense. I know what has happened, to many others whom have posted their experiences. Just read the posts yourself and try to be a fair moderator.

    Looks like my car will need another day of further analysis..(3 days)..before a fix will be implemented.

    Joseph
    San Diego
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    I was just responding to the second paragraph of your post where you explain that what you think they will do will not fix the problem, and in fact, will introduce another issue. Not sure what doesn't make sense about that. :)
  • jmarounjmaroun Posts: 132
    Anyway, I got my 335i back today with a new fuel pump :) It drives great and starts up quickly now.

    Just a few side notes..There is a HUGE difference between the 335i and the 328s they loaned me! And I noticed a marked difference between the 328 and the 330i I leased for three years...The 330i definately has a tad more umff than the 328.
    Anyone considering a 328 should save up a few grand for the 335i.
    It's well worth it. I got mine for $40k!

    Also, having just compared back to back, I'm assured that leatheretes are much better than leather seating. Leatherette holds you in better and more securely. (probably higher coeficient of friction) This experience also gave me a chance to compare steptronic to manual back to back... there is simply no comparison. Get the manual..for the more sporty, cleaner, and untarnished driving experience. Not to mention, YES (for those in doubt).. manual IS more fun. It's true.

    So, it turned out great, just as I've hoped. BMW did the right thing. They fixed my car promptly and correctly. Thanks BMW! :)

    Joseph
    San Diego
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    If you can tell the difference between 255 and 230 HP in a 3500 lb car, you must have a really sensitive rear end. Maybe those "high coefficient of friction" seats have something to do with this?

    For the "more sporty, cleaner, and untarnished driving experience," get the 1-series. ;)
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Glad to hear you are pleased with the service!
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,676
    For the "more sporty, cleaner, and untarnished driving experience," get the 1-series.

    You know, I enjoy driving my 2002 and ti so much that I'm thinking of replacing my Mazdaspeed with another vintage Bimmer. I love the visceral driving experience- free from the isolation and intrusive safety nannies found on the newest Bimmers.

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    You might like the idea of a nanny-free experience, but the nannies could save your bacon. I agree with FED the 135 is a hoot. (I recently attended the Drive For A Cure and again had the opportunity to sample a diverse menu of experiences, the 135 stands out in the class)
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,676
    You might like the idea of a nanny-free experience, but the nannies could save your bacon. I agree with FED the 135 is a hoot.

    I don't just like the idea, I like the reality. I might leave the DSC engaged when I'm trundling along on the street, but when I want to really enjoy a twisting two lane or an HPDE I much, MUCH prefer no electronic intervention save ABS- set with a high threshold, of course. I think that you'll find that fedlawman agrees with me. As for the 135i, it is a lot of fun, but until Munich sees fit to offer a limited slip it will not be on my new car shopping list.

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    I agree with both of you.

    It depends on the setting and the individual. I can see situations where I would choose one over the other, but I would not want to be stuck with either as my only car.

    I will say that if I owned a 135i or 335i, I know I would become bored with it in a couple years. My E30 is the first car I've owned that I know I'll never get rid of. It just has too much goodness - performance, character, looks, exclusivity.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,291
    "It just has too much goodness - performance, character, looks, exclusivity."

    Exactly.

    This is how I'd feel if I could get a nice '65 MGB to drive around on weekends. I could still work on it, no one else has one and, as I recall, it had the tightest shift linkage & steering ever. When I went from it to a 240-Z, I found the steering rubbery & the shift linkage pretty sloppy as well. Of course, the Z was the better car in many other ways, but the B certainly had its points.

    It's a shame that BMW has taken the path to remove the driver from the maintenance and hands-on enjoyment of the car, beyond driving it. I read Roundel every month & probably will for years, since the people who write the articles & who ask the questions actually want to do hands-on things with their cars. A computer with wheels doesn't do too much for me, and I get the impression that the Roundel crowd agrees.

    I went with an appliance recently (Honda/Acura TSX), but was very pleased to see how the owners manual went into great detail to help the owner do basic tasks (oil & filter changes, bulbs, etc.) -- they're not in the "take it to the dealer for everything" mode, which BMW seems to embrace wholeheartedly. I'm moved to question which one is the appliance, really?
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,676
    I went with an appliance recently (Honda/Acura TSX), but was very pleased to see how the owners manual went into great detail to help the owner do basic tasks (oil & filter changes, bulbs, etc.) -- they're not in the "take it to the dealer for everything" mode, which BMW seems to embrace wholeheartedly. I'm moved to question which one is the appliance, really?

    Sad to say, my Mazdaspeed's manual doesn't provide much more-if any-DIY info than the manual for my wife's X3. In comparison, the manuals for my 1975 2002 and my old 1972 Bavaria provide instructions for changing the engine oil, transmission oil, final drive oil, and the coolant(including bleeding the cooling system. There are also directions for checking the clutch plate wear and adjusting the handbrake- although the manual does recommend that an authorized BMW dealer re-pack and adjust the front wheel bearings! I suspect that over 90% of current BMW owner/operators-driver is much to generous a term-would pee their pants at the thought of merely checking the coolant.

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    All you have to do is read any "problems" thread here at Edmonds.com to see how ignorant most people are today about cars.

    The forums are filled with threads with testimonials like, "I bought a used 7 year-old (insert model here) with 106,000 miles 4 months ago, and the automatic transmission just starting making a funny noise whenever I drive over a manhole cover. I went to the dealer and they told me I need a new transmission for $5000. I'm never buying another (insert brand here) ever again."

    Then all the lemmings show up and start talking about the class action lawsuit they're going to pursue because (insert brand here) knowingly uses inferior components and won't stand behind their product.

    Sheesh!
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,676
    All you have to do is read any "problems" thread here at Edmonds.com to see how ignorant most people are today about cars.

    The forums are filled with threads with testimonials like, "I bought a used 7 year-old (insert model here) with 106,000 miles 4 months ago, and the automatic transmission just starting making a funny noise whenever I drive over a manhole cover. I went to the dealer and they told me I need a new transmission for $5000. I'm never buying another (insert brand here) ever again."


    And Heaven forbid if any of these fools even crack their owners manual or take resposibility for their moronic actions...

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,676
    Here's a cool video from BMW touting some of the "BMW Performance" parts that are now available. The pricing isn't all that competative but some of the items are very cool- such as the "racing" seats and the steering wheel equipped with shift lights and other digital readouts. Of course, by the time I equipped a 135i with all the parts I wanted(including an LSD) the price tag would be such that for the same money I could buy a nice E30 M3 for track days, an E39 540i with MT for a commuter, and an early M Roadster just for doing smoky donuts and burnouts... :D

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,597
    I'll be happy to discuss the 2009 3 Series when you decide to do so. ;)
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    The video linked above features a nice 3-series with factory performance parts installed.

    Here's a topic - the pros and cons of factory performance parts vs. Dinan. Discuss. :blush:
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,597
    Being a carlover but not a gearhead, I confess that I am personally ignorant about and have never experienced any Dinan modifications. Please feel free to open discussion and educate me (us) on them as they relate to the '09 3 series.
  • jmarounjmaroun Posts: 132
    I'd be very careful to mod a car that's still under warrentee. Especially a BMW.
    I was considering removing/modifying the CDV valve for example..but
    have decided against it. First to second gear engagement was less
    seemless before they changed the fuel pump. I thought it was the CDV but after BMW changed the faulty fuel pump.. now, first gear gives
    far more roll for relaxed (under 3.5krpm) shifts. The result is a smoother
    shift from 1st to 2nd. I'm soooo glad they replaced that faulty fuel pump under warrentee!! I wonder if they would have had I modified the CDV.

    Joseph
    San Diego
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,597
    Joseph, good point. I would hate to void a warranty. I'd be hesitant to have any German car not in warranty.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,676
    I'd be hesitant to have any German car not in warranty.

    Not me; here's a summary of the service/repair experiences of my 1995 3 Series and my wife's 2004 X3 2.5:
    The 3er sees my independent shop for the Inspection II(30K) service. I perform the Oil Services and Inspection I services myself. The coolant changes and the brake fluid flushes are done at either the dealer or the independent shop. As for repairs? Not many. I've replaced a couple of serpentine belt idler pullies and a brake light switch. I also spent 15 minutes and $44 replacing the timing chain tensioner as a precaution. It got a full set of pads and rotors at 103K, and a new thermostat at 104K. My average monthly expense? $50. I should also mention that the above maintenance figure includes 3 sets of Z rated rubber, as the car also serves as one of my track rats.

    The X3 has been serviced exclusively at the dealer(aside from my DIY oil changes). The monthly costs are higher($65/month) because of several services that were required during the past 18 months. I fitted four new P Zero Nero all season tires, changed the ATF and transfer case fluid(not required but vital for long term reliability), fitted new pads and rotors all around, and had the Inspection II and brake fluid flush performed. I also spent $55 to repair a wheel that my wife had gently curbed. Based on our annual mileage, the truck won't need any of those items again(save the brake flush and tires) for at least another 5 years. I do change the oil at 7.5K myself using an OEM filter and Mobil 1 0W-40; the 15K factory interval is a bit too long in my experience.
    Oh yeah, I also run a 1975 2002A...

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    "I'd be hesitant to have any German car not in warranty."

    I would personally say that I'd hesitate to own a modern German car not in warranty. As to the question of modding, it depends on the mod.

    Brake pads, tires, wheels, and carbon fiber dashboard trim won't void any warranty. As for the clutch delay valve, I think that's safe too - how would anyone know it's been removed? And even if they did, they would have to show its removal directly caused a component to fail. How could anyone do that?
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,676
    As for the clutch delay valve, I think that's safe too - how would anyone know it's been removed?

    You can even buy a gutted CDV so that the car would pass a thorough visual inspection. My dealer is pretty good about reasonable mods; my service advisor tracks his E36 M3(he also rides a Triumph Bonneville- good man!) while several of the salespeople also run their cars at track events. It's nice to have actual enthusiasts in charge who cater to enthusiasts- it's so unlike many dealers and owners who lose their bladder control if "BMW and "track" are used in the same sentence...

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,676

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,287
    Probably a good idea. It will increase engine longevity in M cars I suspect.

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