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Cadillac Deville Starting / Stalling Problems

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  • Well I took the car to the dealer and was told that the crank sensors were good and that the ERG was faulty. Had it changed and that still didn't fix the problem. Afterwards, the throttlebody was cleaned and they said that should do the trick, but once again it did nothing. Now I'm being told that the IAC is most likely the problem. Is there anyone who can really help me? Some of the DTC codes are: PCM P0603, IPC B1552, ACM B1341, TCS C1255, PZM B1552/1558, and MMM B2144. Most these didn't show until I disconnected the negative cable from the battery. Also they all are history codes and not current. Please help, I'm at a loss:( :confuse:
  • Also, can someone explain the body control module on a 1998 deville, and where it's located? Thanks! :confuse:
  • on the stalling on the 98, I was told to change the Idle Air control valve, but I really don't trust the dealer being that they told me it was the EGR valve and 500.00 later the problem was still there. Then they said that EGR just had to go through a reset phase which is not true. Also the throttle body was cleaned out and the problem is still there. I'm really tired of this problem and wish I could just get this resolved. Good luck on your problem and hope you find it.
  • no other answers on stalling Deville besides Crank Position Sensors?????????? :confuse:
  • Well went out on a limb and changed the IAC valve and it seemed to have fixed the problem of the stalling. the valve is two screws and right on the side of the throttle body on top. Real quick and easy fix plus no maintenance cost on your own labor. So if there were a lot of things changed including the CPS's, change that valve and you should see the problem disappear. Remember to disconnect the neg cable from the battery for about 30 sec to reset the ECM. Good luck out there! :)
  • tp28tp28 Posts: 1
    I have a 2000 deville.When turning key no power to starter. Checked for trouble codes, can not connect with pcm. all fuses are good
  • I have a 1998 4 door cadillac deville with Power Windows. There is a contol pannel with 4 buttons on the driveres door to control each window. I recently rolled my drivers side window down and now , when i press the button to roll it up, the window will not roll up as if it is not getting any power. The other three are working fine and getting power but not the drivers door. has this happened to anyone else and does anyone know what i need to do to fix it? I first thought that it might be a fuse, but i assume if its a bad fuse then the other three would not be getting power either??
  • bolivarbolivar Posts: 2,316
    The motor probably died.
  • This like new vehicle has just 55,000 miles and is just used once a week. For some reason while driving, the gas pedal becomes hard, then the brakes, then it will stall. after complete turn off. It will restart and not occur for another month.

    any help will be appreciated
  • bolivarbolivar Posts: 2,316
    Crank Position Sensors.
  • I have experienced a similar stalling problem to the OP. The car drops out of idle intermittently while in D, stopped at traffic lights. The stall is very quick and silent - no chugging or revving. I had a dead battery - drained because the running light relay had gone bad and left the lights on. So the mechanic fixed the relay and charged up the battery, and told me very confidently that my problem was fixed. I questioned his wisdom at the time, and I was (unfortunately) vindicated. As others have said after their cars were "fixed," I drove it again for a few days, then the problem re-occurred. I am told by an engineer that this is very unlikely to be a sensor problem, because no check engine light or codes. The IAC valve is the most likely culprit, so it needs to be removed and cleaned, and I will clean the throttle body at the same time. If this solves the problem, I will reply in this thread to let you all know.
  • bolivarbolivar Posts: 2,316
    Crank Position Sensors shut the car down so fast it doesn't have time to set the check engine light code, in some cases.
  • quick64quick64 Posts: 1
    I had similar problems with no start on my son deville took it to a machanic shop and to caddy dealer they couldnt figure it out. Check your fuse panel under the steering wheel area, fuse #'s 20 and 21 or 21 and 22 control your injectors. 1 of them may be blown, that was th problem with ours. There is usually a spare fuse in I think #10. Let me know if this helped.

    Ken
  • I am not a mechanic, but my profession does involve loads of troubleshooting on complex systems. It does not make any sense whatsoever that a car which only stalls while idling stationary or at low coasting speeds would have a problem with the crank sensors, especially when no code comes up on the computer. One time could be an anomaly, a few times could be unusual, but repeated stalling without any indication of an electronic problem would point to a problem and solution which are purely mechanical. I'm not trying to be arrogant here, but it is a huge waste of resources to go around replacing crank sensors on the off chance that they are actually causing the problem.

    That said, I took off the IAC (Idle Air Control) valve, which is a small but expensive cylinder fastened by two torx screws above the throttle body. I cleaned the valve by spraying loads of electrical parts cleaner on it. At the same time, I cleaned the throttle body. There is an online manual on how to do this here:
    http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-tech-tips/167181-tb-iac-idle-air-c- ontrol-valve.html

    The poster who created that guide to cleaning the IAC valve had Phillips screws in his newer model, but check it first and make sure you have Torx bits/drivers if that's the sort of screws on your Cadi. Note that you should disconnect the battery and unplug the controller wires when working on this type of stuff, and use the appropriate cleaner. I wonder whether MAF sensor cleaner would work fine both for the IAC valve and the MAF sensor, but my local store was out of it, so I didn't try or even look into it. I hate having to buy 10 different kinds of cleaners if 2 or 3 will suffice. The important part is not to get water or other corrosive stuff on the coils of the IAC valve.

    Since cleaning the valve, my car has not stalled even once, I have no problems starting or idling, and I could not be happier with its performance. It even idles at least 25 RPM lower.

    The IAC valve is only open while the car is idling. If the car never stalls with yor foot on the gas, this is the possible source of your problems. If you are stalling during acceleration, or experiencing rough acceleration (or similar issues), then the culprit could be the EGR (exhaust gas recirculation) valve. The solution is the same - take off the EGR valve and clean it. It's considerably harder to access and remove, though. I've never done it, just read about it. When I have the time, I will clean it as a bit of preventive maintenance.

    If you don't feel comfortable doing this stuff yourself, at least suggest these issues to your mechanic before agreeing blindly to replace sensors that have not even caused a check engine code. I am an inexperienced, low-level mechanic who was able to do the job with $5 worth of cleaner, an old toothbrush, and an hour and a half of my time, including a run to the auto parts store.

    One more thing - these valves can fail as well, and you can check to see if they are functioning, but if you don't know how to do that, at least make sure to try cleaning it before paying loads of $$ to replace the part. The movement of the valve is sort of like a solenoid. It has to be actuated electrically, meaning that you cannot test it manually without having it hooked up to a power source (the controller wires).

    I hope my experience and my post are helpful to those who are having similar problems.
  • troundatrounda Posts: 5
    dont see any codes has plenty of fuel at the fuel rail think its crank sensors told it has 2 sensors exactly where are they located
  • I think that the response by bolivar "motor died" is wrong, since the window did go down.
    I just had the same thing happen to my '98: The driver's window went down, but not back up. The other 3 window switches all work fine. It turned out that the switch failed. I pulled the switch assembly out & tried to clean the switch contacts, but N.G. The Cadillac dealer wanted >$175 for the switch assembly (they are PROUD of their prices), but Advance Auto was able to get one from the OEM manufacturer for ~$100.
    NOTE: Both Cadillac and my local garage said that the book calls for 90 minutes labor to replace the switch (probably claiming to have to take the door apart). I just pulled the entire assembly (including the side mirror switches) up from the armrest, unplugged the cable, unplugged the switch assembly, and then plugged the new switch assembly in. It took me a total of 4 minutes, and I did it in the dark with just the interior light on!
    Hope this helps....
  • web6web6 Posts: 1
    I have a 2002 DeVille which started giving stalling problems at stoplight idle around 100K miles, now at 103K. Mechanics could not find any problems, so we replaced the IAC and EGR valves ($900) but still have the problem. Now getting hard to start. Any other solutions? No stalling at speed, only at idle, and only after warmed up. Stall is sudden, no rough idle. I hope yours stays fixed.
  • rich_crich_c Posts: 2
    I have an '89 DeVille with 77,000 (actual) miles. 1½ years ago, I had a problem starting it after driving about 5 miles, then parking for a few hours. I waited about 15 minutes, then it started immediately. All was fine for about 2 weeks, then it did the same thing. Waited about 10 minutes, and it started right up. Happened about 2 more times, took it to my mechanic, where he changed a "module". Everything was then fine for about 6 months. Took it back, he replaced the module again, and all was fine for 4-5 months. It did the same thing again, but my mechanic said the part supplier "checked" the returned module, and declared it was "fine". Now they won't replace it unless I pay for a new one. Any ideas?
  • Hi,All,
    I'm new to this forum. I'm looking at a 1997 Deville for sale very inexpensive. The catch: The current owner said it was running great and then the digital dash went blank (off) and the engine quit. The car will not crank or anything. He has only one key and thinks it might be the computer chip in the key. Is this possible or is it possibly a real risky deal? I do not know how many miles it has on it yet, but it looks good. Thanks, George
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