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Mercedes-Benz E-Class Sedans

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  • Until recently I have not considered purchasing an MB until a friend of mine raved about her e300td. I am now hooked on getting an e300, 320 or possible s320. My predicament, not a bad one to have, is I really like the size of the S, but we are planning a move in which I will do about a 1000m per week and the diesel appears to have merit in this area. Can anyone tell me about MB diesels and the e300td specifically? I cannot find anything beyond the marketing material and have never owned a diesel. I have heard, salesman who didn't have one on lot, of problems, MB stopped making after the 1999 model, but rumors are coming again. Appears they do not depreciate. What's up? Any good info references would be appreciated.
  • bargamonbargamon Posts: 302
    Love the leeeeemon idea.

    Any thoughts to using a good glass wax to clean?
    Some of the better brands of car waxs have these.

    What about cleaning the wiper itself? Household cleaner? Rub a lemon? Will it break down the rubber?

    Audi: I considered waiting on a 4.2quattro. Alot of style and equip for the money. So is Bonneville and Cadilac deville. Build quality is paramount to me, and MB is still best. Sacrifice xenon and some other goodies, and get a 4matic if you have but so much to spend. If you need the goodies, then go with the audi. Read up on them, there are some problems. All of these cars have some, But............I made my decision.
  • turbotcturbotc Posts: 163
    I have not had a problem with streaking wipers. What would cause this? Car wash? I take my car to an touch-less automatic carwash. Nothing touches the car. Robots moves to the contours of the car and I have been very happy with the results. very clean job. It washes under the car as well. Hot wax and everything but never had streaking wipers. This is where I go: http://www.erniescarwash.com
  • 4426444264 Posts: 67
    Fuel gauge - a common problem for all German cars, your dealer should have a fix for it.

    Timeport names displayed - I can enter lower case names on the phone itself but they're always displayed capitalized on the dash.

    SmartKey linked with seat memory - my technician told me it's only available on the C-class but I'll double check..
  • bargamonbargamon Posts: 302
    Been also using a laser wash system. Not as fancy as ernies, but for $5, its a nice system. Brand new in fact. I don't use the wax as I have a duragloss finish on it. but once a week it keeps car from getting out of hand dirty. Also wash's undercarriage. Kids love it!
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    Hey everyone,

    Just to keep you all updated on the live MB chat idea. How does Tuesday, March 5th at 5-6pm Pacific sound? This will be our premiere chat, and it should be a weekly thing after that. All MB owners and enthusiasts (C-class, CL-class, CLK-class E-class, G-class, M-class, S-class, SLK-class, SL-class) are welcome to participate, of course.

    Please let me know!

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  • turbotcturbotc Posts: 163
    I have been getting the top package. It costs me $10 per wash since I buy the certificates by the book. They put the Simoniz hot wax on it. I guess in the Spring I will have to Dawn my car again and start over the Zaino process. But it's definitely the only way to keep the salt off the car and keep the car clean in this freezing weather.
  • vs4vs4 Posts: 70
    Does anybody has any information on 2002 model of E430 and S430?

    Is it true that they might be dropping S430 totally and sell S500 at S430 price as Infiniti's new Q45 has 340 hp engine?

    I also read on MotorTrend's website(update) that Mercedes will be introducing new E in 2002 rather than in 2003 as it says here on Edmunds FutureTelling section.

    Thanks for all of you sharing your knowledge.
  • dennettdennett Posts: 332
    My dealer told me they would be discounting their 01 Es by $5k starting in June so that they could get rid of them before the new model arrives. If the new E were coming for 02 this would make sense, but it sure wouldn't if they weren't coming until 03 would it? Does anyone have any more info on this?
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    The new model will only arrive for MY2003, or in other words, late fall of 2002. The wagon version will arrive approximately one year later.


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  • dennettdennett Posts: 332
    That's what I had always heard too, It's weird that my dealer has started telling potential customers about the upcoming discount, I wonder if maybe MB is going lower the price of the 02 Es, that could explain the upcoming discount? The discount came up in a conversation I was having with my saleman about the future MB models, he new we had just bought a C, I'm sure if we were seriously considering an E he would have never told me! I am a big E model fan, but it does seem a bit high priced compared to the bimmer 5 series and that new LS430 seems like a nice car(Benz clone) and the upcoming 340hp Q45.
  • bargamonbargamon Posts: 302
    INtro of o3 model in fall of 02. Thats about 18 months. Then the cars start comming over. Figure 2 years till rollout fully underway. Figure 4matic months later. Never know, maybe they just start with 6cly. Then a year or so later the present engines will be old and we'll talk about waiting for them. THen we'll want to see how they do because nobody wants the first problematic version. So the best E class to buy is the ones they make now, then again in 4 years. Then we'll talk about the new nose and interior upgrades for the o7's, but of course by then Daewoo will be the standard of the earth and we'll be buying them!
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    No, they will arrive in N.America in late fall of 2002. The new E will first be launched in the spring or summer of 2002 in Europe, as always (same with the new C). 4-matic vehicles should be available right from the get-go, I would think, or perhaps a couple of months delay. The company has been developing and testing the 3rd generation 4-matic system for quite a while now. It will also be available on the C-class and S-class in the late fall of 2002. The '03 CLK-class is also supposed to be available with the 4-matic option. Looks like MB is trying to compete with Audi in this particular area (AWD/4WD). About time! I just wish that it was available THIS fall, and not next fall.

    The E320 is not that much more expensive than the BMW 5-series. At least not from my experience. An E320 4-matic sedan can be had for about CDN$68K+, excluding taxes and any possible discounts, and the 4-matic wagon can be had for about CDN$70K. If you look at the features list, the BMW lacks things like available TeleAid, rear side impact airbags (optional for the Bimmers), etc.


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  • dennettdennett Posts: 332
    I'm not saying the E isn't a great car or that it's overly priced. I'd take the E over a 5 series anyday of the week. It's just that when a 525 bases at 35,400 and a 530 at 39,400, the E320 at 47,800 seems high. When you compare a C class to the 3 series there isn't nearly the difference, in fact when you option up a 3 to the Cs level I think the Cs cheaper and still has more features. I've never optioned out a 530 to the level of an E320s standard features, but I'm sure they'd be fairly comparable, and the 5 still wouldn't have the Tele-aid nor all the bags. It's just that when the average joe looks on the internet it will appear the Es a lot more. What do you think of my dealer saying their 01 Es will start to have $5k discounts in June. Do you think there could be a price drop for 02. You've got to admit that LS430 will get a lot of consideration from potential E buyers. The new Q with it's high HP will be nice, but I just don't think Infinite nor Acura really competes with MB the way Lexus does. How is Lexus perceived up in Canada? What about in Europe? Maybe I should ask tarik.
  • I ordered an E430 4matic last september. It was special ordered because of the color. I was originally told to expect delivery in Dec, but after a lot of foot dragging, I'm now told it will be mid june. Is this delay typical for MB special orders? Given June delivery, an I better off just waiting for the 2002 models?
  • mbdrivermbdriver Posts: 426
    I believe the last MB E-Class diesel produced for North America was the '99 because that engine wouldn't fit under the new lower hoodline of facelifted '00 Es AND the new MB diesel didn't meet US anti-polution standards. Thus, the late model MB diesels sell at a premium.

    I haven't heard anything except good reports on the diesels. MB has always been a leader in producing diesels for passenger cars, and they still sell well elsewhere. I've heard that MB has given up on diesels for our market. Too bad.

    Incidentally, my wife has a '77 300D with 96,000 miles -- it's considered to be "almost broken in"!
    It runs great and is in perfect condition. Only major expense was a new tranmission about 10 years ago. If you can find an E-Class diesel wagon in good shape, go for it!
  • mbdrivermbdriver Posts: 426
    Help! If memory serves, there was a discussion here a while ago about steering wheel noises. I noticed a groan sort of sound today when I turned the wheel of my '00 E320 (4700 miles on it). Would appreciate any info!
  • jean7of9jean7of9 Posts: 192
    According to my calendar March 5th, 2001, is a Monday. Do you wish to see us there Monday 5th or Tuesday 6th, 2001.?
    Jean
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    Yes, it's the March the 6th, Tuesday at 5-6pm Pacific time. Sorry, someone (who shall remain nameless) gave me the wrong date. :-) I'll post a confirmation as we get closer to the date. I hope that everyone that has the time to participate will. As mentioned earlier, it's a general MB chat (all models) for all MB fans and owners.


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  • jean7of9jean7of9 Posts: 192
    I run into the same long delay problem when I ordered my 4MATIC with the ESP option (it was optional for 98). Therefore I shifted my subscription to the 99 model due in September 99 (14 months after order). It was worth the wait because I got an improved radio, better warranty and future higher resale value for the same price. The 2002 model will be the most optimized for this E. It will be worth the additional wait.
    Jean
  • bargamonbargamon Posts: 302
    Bare bones Ls 430 base at I believe 54,000+

    I got my e430 for 51k.

    Ls sport version is 68+. Your in S class territory. LS is a good value compared to s class. Mercedes rarely does well in price comps. But they are better cars. IMHO.
  • cmayercmayer Posts: 38
    I have a '98 E300 TurboDiesel. I bought it in the summer of '99 when there weren't any readily available '99 models in the area. It had about 14,000 miles, I now have around 33k.

    It's great! I've not taken a long trip, so I don't know if it will get over 30mpg. My frame of reference is my '81 240D which I drove for 18 years and 240k miles. The turbo's very quick and it's an E class - the perfect automobile IMHO.

    I chuckle when I see the dealer prices for recent Benz's - it seems that I'd have to pay more for my three year old car than I paid for an 18 month old one!
  • cmayercmayer Posts: 38
    Reposting a previous query. The top of the changer in my '98 E300 is higher than the trunk floor. Are there any alternatives that would make it flush or lower than the floor? I don't want the weight of my 50+ pound keyboard on it.
  • mb322mb322 Posts: 1
    I just bought a 1998 E320 last month, it currently has about 30,000 miles on it. Until a few days ago the coolant level needle on the dashboard always hovered just a fraction below the 80 degrees C mark(or right in the middle of the gauge). Yesterday I noticed that it started to rise and it actually went up to almost 100 degrees I(basically it rose a quarter amount on the gauge). I live in Texas, yesterday it was about 70 degrees out and the humidity was high, so I don't know if that had anything to do with it. Today the weather is about the same and the coolant level rising above that 80 degree mark. I don't know if this is normal for MB's or whether something is wrong with my gauge. My previous car was a Lexus SC400 and the coolant level needle always stayed right in the middle of the gauge, it never rose above that middle mark no matter how hot it was. I called my MB dealership and they said it's normal but I wanted to get a second opinion just to make sure this is normal. To me it doesn't sound normal considering it's only 70 degrees outside, what will happen in the Summer when it hits 100 degrees here in Texas.
  • As I have a 99 turbodiesel with 32000 miles on it I would be glad to share info & experience if you contact me. On recent 2000 mi trip I averaged 33mpg. email golfcat@utility.net Also there were no diesel wagons in the current E class styling only gas.
  • mbdrivermbdriver Posts: 426
    Thanks for the offer, but I think it was mkincade who wanted info on MB diesels. BTW, you evidently haven't yet sold your E300. Still trying? (Not that I'm in the market for one, but perhaps mkincade is.) They really are great automobiles!
  • turbotcturbotc Posts: 163
    my MY2000 E320 coolant temperature fluctuates well. Most of the time it is right at the 80 degrees Celcius mark when engine at normal running temperature. It periodically goes up a little bit, say 90 degrees Celcius or so. But never has it read below 80 at normal operating temperature. I drive it during the summer and winter and always is between 80 to 90 so I wouldn't worry about yours too much. My Lexus and Chrysler minivan always stay in the middle, no matter how hot or cold. just periodically keep your eyes on the coolant level. happy motoring.
  • I ordered a E430 Sport last year '01 and waited 4 months for delivery. The wait was worth it as this is the best car I have ever purchased.
  • My dealer's service department has told me that the steering wheel groan is a common complaint for which MB has not identified a solution. They told me that they were going to have an MB tech look at several cars with this problem. I have not heard anything more. I will be at the dealer tomorrow to test drive an ML, I'll ask if there is any news. My groan is rarely noticeable except when going on circular parking garage ramps.
    Bill
  • I have the same problem with my 00 E320. Took it to the dealership a couple of weeks ago and they lubricated the dust cover (I think). It was fine for about a week then started to groan again when making tight turns.
    Quite frankly, I'm a little tired of the small little quirks associated with the MB's.
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