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Even my S40 T5 FWD has a 34.9' turning circle.
-Brian
I recently fueled up near the freeway, did a hard acceleration to get on the main road, then another hard run on the on ramp and then drove about 8 miles at 80 mph and saw an indicated 28 mpg, clearly the stop and go takes it's toll on my commute, and it's only 1/3 of the miles. Still, I could not be happier, I love the car and it's hard to cough at 23 mpg average in any car that weighs over 3000 lbs, let alone one that is a luxury car with nearly 300 hp.
P.S.---I live in Louisiana so front wheel drive is not a problem (we don't see snow but every 10 years, lol). Also do yall think its worth it to get the S-type since its just a few thousand more than the basic one with the Nav. system.
Thanks so much
Not to get into a mine is better than yours, but...
My Q45 with a 340hp V8 routinely achieves over 25mpg on the highway. I once (painfully) stuck to the speed limit and achieved 28mpg. I even hit 25mpg total for an entire trip.
But...around town it does suck the gas back...I average 17-19 combined (usually stop and go highway travel ).
I've never had below 16mpg or greater than 20 for combined driving.
I had a G35 (03) and it would get a combined 19-20mpg
You do hear about 335i's, 911's getting impressive mpg and both have high hp/performance figures.
I'd say the TL is "ok", but not great.
Interestingly enough the 1001 HP Bugatti achieves 22 mpg on the highway, but to drive it in traffic you have have a gas station in tow.
If you don't care as much about the difference in power, I'd save the money and buy the base model. The lip spoiler is not that attractive, IMO, and the other differences are not significant.
The Q's not very sporty (at all). Far to mushy, floaty, isolated and over-boosted (wife's idea).
It's powerful; especially once underway and the tranny kicks down.
I'd take a manual TL over the Q any day
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If you can do that, even on I-15, you need to go immediately to the casino and start betting like hell, because you've got some serious mojo going.
Oh, I get it! Just wait until the gas runs out and you eventually will get see it on the side of the road. As I remember, there is no gas for huge stretches between after the CA line and Vegas.
Regars,
OW
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7DnPaPBuec
That is if he enjoys a mind numbing boring drive. :P
Not if he gets a X/sports package with manual tranny.
Best Regards,
Shipo
If the X/Sports package is not good enought then get those aftermarket spring sets like Eibach or Tein. Those will transform the car like one couldn't imagine.
Best Regards,
Shipo
Best Regards,
Shipo
Okay...
Oh by the way, the last FWD A4 that I had for 2 weeks was pretty isolated and soft as well, not to mention the craptaculour turbo lag for the 2.0 turbo 4.
I guess it's time to agree to disagree.
Best Regards,
Shipo
Also why did anyone else on this board choose the TL over the G35 or the Lexus IS 250?
Besides the look what caught your eye and/or made the decision for you?
Oh, right. Let me guess. You want the car to be sporty and not a soulless jellybean like the IS250 AND get 30mpg. Good luck with that one.
Honestly, though, the RX-8 will blow the doors off of the IS250, A4, or base 3 series.(obviously if you could afford a M3, you would have bought one )
Best Regards,
Shipo
My short list was the IS250, the Acura TL and the G35x.
I drove the IS250 and although fit and finish was outstanding, the size was a deal breaker for me, since I had a 4 yr old daughter who had to be comfy in the back. The lack of power had me worried about the novelty wearing off as well.
That brought me to the TL and the G35x.
I had to really weigh the pros and cons to come to a decision. Honestly, both are awesome cars and you can't go wrong with either one.
For me, the G just gave me a feeling that the TL could not. The dealer, where I bought my 06 MDX, gave me a TL loaner on 7 separate days... one being a Type-S as well.
As much as I enjoyed them (especially the MPG), I got bored with them.
The G (for me) is WAY more fun to drive. It has more power and I felt more in control of the G as well. It offers more feedback (in a good way)
I now have AWD when I need it (It's fantastic in the snow!) and RWD performance at any other time.
Also, I found that my right knee hits the center console in the TL and my left arm, which I like to rest on the window edge, was uncomfortable. The window edge was too high and the arm rest was too low.
The "Studio on Wheels" stereo in the G is more enjoyable and I also feel that the fit/finish/ level of luxury in the G is higher than that of the TL. I love the look of the real rosewood trim in my car and how it contrasts with the black interior.
I also have absolutely no rattles after 14,000 miles and one year of driving.
Again, this is all personal preference.
I liked both cars, but the G just did it better for me.
Regards,
OW
I think like you said, I won't know what car is right for me until I drive them.
I graduated from LSU (Geaux Tigers) last year and got a pretty good job. I've been driving a Toyota Corolla for 7 years now, so any car I choose should be a significant upgrade.
To each his own.
However, with the 70.4 mph through the slalom that puts the IS 250 ahead of the BMW 335i, not to mention about a half dozen very capable sports cars.
Granted the IS is no 3-series but it's funny that people are trying to make it sounds like a Camry.
Source: Follow-Up Test: 2007 Lexus IS 250
Yep, one review has it 1 mph faster through the slalom. But hard to beat the 4.8 to sixty.
My quest (still....) continues..
Wait, I thought the straight line performance isn't all that important in a sports sedan...
My suggestion is that make sure you think about this thoroughly, if the tight rear seat bugs you then just turn around and look for something else.
I thought this was assumed knowledge, I was talking about cars in the $20-$40k range, unless if you also wanted to thrown in the Bugatti
I have read the IS's slalom is great but you will have a tough time trying to convince anyone that the IS250 performs at par with any of the ELLPS.
Choosing btwn the IS250 and the A3 is not going to be easy though, cos one has better performance and the other has everything else IMO
Oh wait - you're actually going to claim that the IS250 actually has a useable middle rear seat? These cars are plainly built to fit four people, which is what the RX-8 does as well. And none will fit a linebacker in the rear seat, so I fail to see that point, either. The rear seats are there for kids and the occasional third adult in these small sedans. It's not a coupe, either - that's visual trickery. There really are four doors on it.
I'd recommend at least driving it. Mazda's lack of positioning it properly or marketing it well aside, it's .1 second slower than a Porsche Cayman and is virtually identical on the track. For half the price. There's just nothing that comes close to it in its price range as far as performance goes. But it's like Hyundai or Volvo if you want to go back even further. People gave Volvo no respect for decades and then they came out with the 850 Turbo. And it blew the doors off of everything in its price range. Yes, it wasn't a Mercedes. Nobody who owned one cared - they were too busy having a blast driving them.
$29K on and IS250, $32K on a 328i, $28K on an A4... or $24K on a RX-8.
CarsDirect Price: $23,843(including delivery). That's an enormous amount cheaper than the competition. You could load one up with every last option offered and still not be at what a bare-bones IS250 goes for(no leather, either).
CarsDirect Price: $28,710 - IS250. No HID headlamps, no heated seats, no sport suspension, no ... (don't even gt me started on the A4 in base trim) Add that stuff in ad it jumps to $33K almost instantly.
CarsDirect Price: $28,408 - RX-8 GT/+ rear spoiler. If you want more bling, you have to start adding chrome and after-market accessories.
$5K out the door cheaper buys a lot of gas.(5pmg difference is roughly 7100 gallons to make up at 3.50 a gallon)
It's also the same reason a Prius is a no-win situation versus a Civic. 5mpg difference for thousands more in initial price is going to take you well over a decade to recover. Maybe two.
Then don't, let the number speaks for itself...
Except for the straightline acceleration I think the IS250 can hold its own against any other ELLPS.
Best Regards,
Shipo
Interesting...
If you are going to include the Mazda why stop there, bring in the Hyundai Azera, Dodge Charger, etc. I think the reason the Mazda is left out is because its not "generally" considered to belong in the same group as the cars I included above. Or put another way, people aspire to drive a BMW, an Audi a Lexus, I am yet to come across people who aspire to drive a Mazda
By the way, I am a HUGE Bama fan and I was pulling hard for you. Way to geaux, Tigers! (SEC fans learn to stick together here in Big Ten country!)
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And that's probably the truth here, like I said. Nobody wants to say, look at a Hyundai Tiburon or a Volvo S40T5 or whatnot most of the time. It's their money I guess, but as I pointed out, the price difference buys a decade's worth of extra gas and then some(140K miles or so for 5mpg difference!). The smart money is to ignore the inflated bling-mobiles where you're plainly paying through the nose for their products and instead start looking at the alternatives.
Honestly, I'd rather own a blinged-out WRX than a base 328i with pleather and that miserable base engine. You can always add leather to a car, or a sunroof, even after-market if you have to, so you have to think really hard about the following question:
- Is the car primarily an entry-level luxury or entry-level sportscar?
IME, when people talk about this segment, bling is of far lower importance than the performance. It's always "I got a BMW and yeah it has leather and some nice features(revs the engine and grins)". Not, "I got this C Class and yeah it is sort of sporty" :P
So ignore the bling and badge. Find a nice sportscar and add the bling in. Almost every maker has silly levels of luxury and bling as packages these days. You'll find that the field widened considerably.
I left out the names cos I dont want to seem as if I am bashing the other car cos other than the engine, that car was awesome
Interesting phrase to apply to that particular powerplant. I've never seen anything that comes even remotely close in its ability to illustrate the "different strokes for different folks" concept.
Let's see, scalpel or chainsaw?
Both cut, and one is certainly faster.