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Chrysler Sedan 300's
Monday Feb. 2nd 2004
Dodge Magnum
Friday April 2nd 2004
Dodge Sedan (Charger?)
April 4th 2005
There is a 30 to 45 day containment window on top of these dates
just to make sure everything is O.K."
Note that the Dodge sedan is not coming out till 4/05, presumably as an '06 model. Considering that the Dodge Intrepid goes out of production 8/03, that's a loooong time for Dodge dealers to wait for a new shipment of sedans!
-Andrew L
BTW, some update from http://thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=6249&sid=178&am- p;n=158 - see the 300 on the way there.
They say, engine choice will start from 3.5L V6. The car looks like some old model Mercedes.
I start looking more and more on Q45 - at least it's not generic and derivative.
D.I.
Getting back to rusty104's radio post, there is an article in the September issue of Car and Driver in which Patrick Bedard ponders the industry's move from traditional fender-mounted, mast-style radio antennae to more aesthetically pleasing, in-glass systems. The article states that with the in-glass systems, car-makers must make a trade-off between sound quality and weak-station performance. GM tends to handle weak stations well, whereas Chrysler and BMW concern themselves with sound quality under optimal radio signal conditions. This explains the common complaint among Chrysler owners on Edmunds that their radio reception is sometimes poor.
So, low and behold, when Edmunds can't find so much to complain about in the long-term test suddenly the "squished whale" styling issue emerges. You can almost hear the gears turning..."well damn it didn't fall apart like we had hoped, and the transmission didn't break like they do on ALL Chryslers (wink). In fact it had some of the lowest maintenance cost of any long-termer....what CAN we pick on???"
I rarely listen to my radio, using my 4 disk CD changer instead. When I have I don't have any qualms about reception in my Trep'--however, I do notice an occasional harmonic buzz in my speakers..
With the recent Ram, Pacifica, and Crossfire introductions, Chrysler has begun to receive the respect it deserves from the majority of automotive journalists. Let's hope this continues with the `04 Durango, `05 LX's, and so on.
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really wish they'd have kept the projector headlights and drop down hood via this pic of the concept car...
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jediknight2b- just wait till you see the 300 in person , its pretty amazing .
BTW, yesteday my dealer called me back and told me, that Durango 5.7L SLT with 37,200 MSRP which I tesdrove Friday last week could be had for $9,000 less - allegedly Dodge wants to put some new trucks on the road, therefore they discount them so deeply. This way they say I can buy it for 28,000 - I still question sanity of what I've heard - do you know anything regarding it?
The 300C will be priced starting at about $25,000 for a 2.7-liter V-6, going all the way up to $35,000 for a 5.7-liter Hemi V-8 version. It will also be available in a 3.5-liter V-6 version.
Another highlight of the Chrysler showcase was the emphasis on proliferating the 5.7-liter Hemi V-8 in as many vehicles as possible. The Chrysler 300C, Dodge Magnum, Dodge Durango, and Jeep Grand Cherokee are all getting the Hemi. Hemi-equipped 300Cs and Magnums are expected to account for as much as 40 percent of sales volume or more.
Here's the some pricing/info for each Chrysler 300 model:
1. Chrysler 300
- $23,595
- 190HP, 190ft-lbs 2.7L V6 w/ 4 Speed Automatic
- 0-60MPH in 10.7 seconds
2. Chrysler 300 Touring
- $27,395
- 250HP, 250 ft-lbs 3.5L V6 w/ 4 Speed Automatic
- 0-60MPH in 8.5 seconds
3. Chrysler 300 Limited
- $29,890
- Same powertrain as Touring model
4. Chrysler 300C
- $32,995
- 340HP, 390ft-lbs 5.7L V8 w/ Multi Displacement System
- 5 Speed Automatic w/ AutoStick
- 0-60MPH in 6.3 seconds
All models include 17" aluminum wheels (18" on 300C), RWD w/ available AWD, short- and long-arm front suspension, independent five-bar multi-link rear suspension, rack and pinion steering, tilt-telescoping steering wheel, 8-way power driver's seat, and analog clock.
For full details, click here.
Here's the some pricing/info for each Dodge Magnum model:
1. Dodge Magnum SE
- $22,495
- 190HP, 190ft-lbs 2.7L V6 w/ 4 Speed Automatic
- 0-60MPH in 10.7 seconds
2. Dodge Magnum SXT
- $25,995
- 250HP, 250ft-lbs 3.5L V6 w/ 4 Speed Automatic
- 0-60MPH in 8.5 seconds
3. Dodge Magnum RT
- $29,995
- 340HP, 390ft-lbs 5.7L V8 w/ Multi Displacement System
- 5 Speed Automatic w/ AutoStick
- 0-60MPH in 6.3 seconds
- Most powerful vehicle under $30,000
All models include 17" aluminum wheels (18" on Magnum RT), RWD w/ available AWD, short- and long-arm front suspension, independent five-bar multi-link rear suspension, rack and pinion steering, and super access rear liftgate.
For full details, click here.
For more details on the Hemi engine with Multi Displacement System, click here.
Shows that people have been brainwashed into thinking RWD cars fly off the road into ditches all the time.
I'm actually impressed that the 2.7 can move all that bulk from 0-60 in 10.7 seconds, though! It has a broader torque curve than the current 2.7, which they had to give up a few peak horsepower for. But still, even with the base engine, these cars must weigh close to two tons!
Also kind of a shame that the 2.7 and 3.5 versions are getting stuck with a 4-speed automatic. It's not a version of the current LH automatic, is it? Just reconfigured for RWD?
Looks like interior volume for the 300 sedan is rated at 106.6 cubic feet, and 15.6 cubic feet for the trunk. Both volumes are actually smaller than the current Concorde (about 108 cubic feet inside and 18.8 in the trunk), so I wonder if that's going to turn anybody off? Then again, the car's also about 10 inches shorter!
the only LX cars that will get hemis are the top dollar ones. for at least the first year anyway. so if you want the hemi...new, you'll be shelling out over 30k.
btw, i'm pretty sure the 42RE is based on the old 42LE from the LH cars... personally i think chrysler is dumbing down their flagships by even putting a 4 speed in them. hell, honda already puts 5 speed automatics in their 4 banger accords!!
anyway, here's hoping that eventually dodge realeases a hemi charger that can be gotten for under 30k...!!
And yeah, Chrysler really does need to get away from 4-speed automatics, at least in cars like this! Truthfully though, I think even putting in the V-6es is dumbing down the Chrysler versions a bit. This actually would've been a good case for keeping Plymouth around. Let Plymouth have a cheaper version with smaller V-6 engines to compete with the likes of the Taurus and Impala, while the Magnum could go up against sportier cars like the Bonneville, Maxima, and such. I think it would've been cool if they just came out with a de-tuned version of the Hemi for the cheaper versions of the 300...that would've given them a bit more prestige, while at the same time, having a Plymouth around would've let them build a volume car with a smaller engine.
I hope Dodge does come out with a 4-door sedan on this platform, no matter what it's called! I mean, they'd be fools not to, since the Intrepid was Dodge's top selling car. And replacing that with a wagon just isn't going to take up the slack.
"The all-new Dodge Magnum RT comes standard with a 5.7-liter HEMI(R) Magnum(R) V8 engine matched to a five-speed automatic transmission, performance four-wheel antilock disc brakes with all-speed traction control, and 18-inch polished aluminum wheels. Add standard amenities like CD sound with a 288 digital amplifier and six Boston Acoustics speakers, premium leather-trimmed eight-way power driver's and six-way passenger seats, remote keyless entry, and more, and you'll wonder what more anybody could want. That's until you see options like SIRIUS Satellite Radio, UConnect(TM) hands-free communication, a late availability trailer-towing group and more.HEMI and Magnum are registered trademarks of DaimlerChrysler Corporation.(C) 2003 SIRIUS Satellite Radio, Inc. " - Dodge web site
Cheers,
- Ray
Waiting (patiently) for an opportunity to see one in the flesh / metal / plastic/ leather / rubber . . .
Maybe it was kind of fitting, after all. The new Mopar Hemi comes out to 345 CID, which was a DeSoto displacement!
yeah...i hear ya!
i basically have decided to ignore the idiots out there!!
Shows that perceptions linger long. RWD doesn't mean 1974 era, 5000 pound, 10 mpg boats.
German luxury makes never switched to RWD. In fact, if you ask an average BMW driver, they would probably have no clue that they have it. If BMW can sell cars in the NE, certainly lesser makes deserve a chance to sell something different.
As for weight, if anything, cars of today, given their size, are actually porkier than they were in the 70's! For example, something the size of these new LX cars, in the 70's, would've definitely been a compact. But in weight, it's about on par with a pre-downsizing 70's midsize, maybe even some entry-level full-sizers!
Of course, most of that weight increase is due to better stiffening and bracing, more standard equipment, safety regs, etc, so it's not necessarily a bad thing!
I have a question regarding the multi-displacement V-8 engine that is supposed to go in these LX models. Will there be a way to disable this feature? I am old enough to remember when Cadillac tried this technology in the 80's and it was an unmitigated disaster. The resale value of those vehicles was next to nothing. It would be nice to have a choice regarding this feature.
Thanks,
nb2169