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  • mazda6smazda6s Posts: 1,901
    but getting a car with one will be a different matter. Dealers won't stock them, so you'll have to order one, wait 6 months, and pay full MSRP.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,272
    overseas delivery is the way to go if you want something that will be especially rare. You get it exactly how you want it, and save a good chunk of change. Not to mention the subsidized vacation.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    The OSD people will have to re-write their purchase forms, the ones that say Volvo Car International :)
  • lev_berkovichlev_berkovich Posts: 858
    Max,
    I know what you are referring to. But that is the internal paperwork, and it can have any letter head.

    I am working in the similar environment, where the service organization is the private company, held by the public corporation. So a lot of the internal staff goes with the Corporate letterhead, however, this is the private service organization the faces the customer.
    My point was that the customer receives the Order Confirmation and all the correspondence from the VCNA, and by the common law that indicates the legal agreement.

    In case of the legal problems the VCNA will be first in line for the claim.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    We can now order 2005 manual S40's.
    According to the system delivery would be in Sept.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,272
    how about stick V50s? And, are there restictions on the models?

    is a V50 T-5 non-sport FWD 6 speed doable?

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • carman123carman123 Posts: 71
    Is an S40 T5 manual with AWD and standard suspension possible? If I can get a 2005 configured like this by November, I would be very happy. Does anyone know how much weight the AWD adds? Any fuel economy numbers available for AWD yet?
  • avolvofanavolvofan Posts: 358
    Any update on when the AWD orders can be processed?

    Carman123, figure on around 171 lbs additional for the AWD option based on the differences between the S60 2.5T (at 3,400 lbs) and S60 2.5T AWD (at 3,571 lbs). The AWD system on the S60 (Haldex) is the same as what will be on the S40.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Has Volvo set a base price for The V50 yet?
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    stickguy,jchan
    we don't have any V50 info yet.
    carman
    An S40 T5 AWD standard suspension should be doable.
    AWD orders can't be taken yet.
    As soon as I know more i'll post it.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I drove the S60 and S60 AWD back to back and IMO the Haldex system is great. It does wonders for traction and to reduce understeer.

    -juice
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  • adinkraadinkra Posts: 2
    Does anyone have an idea when the S40 T5 with AWD & 6spd will get to the US? One saleman told me next year.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    The order info is in the system now.
    I just ordered 2 T5 AWD's. One auto, one manual.

    Now, according to the computer these cars will arrive by September. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that the dealers will have them.
    If Volvo's certification paperwork isn't complete(and this has happened before) the cars can't leave the port. Also, Volvo could hold the 05's in port if there are too many 04's still at the dealers.
    I will try to get some kind of firm idea as to when the cars will really be here.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,272
    How are the S40s selling overall? Saw an ad today in the paper touting a lease deal ($269/42 with $999 down for a 2.41ASR). Are they moving pretty well in your area?

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    Are doing ok.
    Inventories are low and Volvo did not make some features like the AWD and manual trannies available from the outset.
    Also, alot of regular consumers don't know that the car is different from the previous S40.
    The S60 is stealing some sales as well.
  • benjaminsbenjamins Posts: 56
    "Also, alot of regular consumers don't know that the car is different from the previous S40.
    The S60 is stealing some sales as well."

    That's strange. Volvos been making it pretty visible and advertising it enough. And it certainly looks different from the last s40. s60 may appeal to some regular customer because of its more comfy and familiar interior and feeling of Volvo heft.
  • avolvofanavolvofan Posts: 358
    In addition to the traction and understeer benefits, the Haldex AWD is integrated with DSTC and will cut out the instant DSTC engages. Further, the Haldex AWD eliminates the torque steer that occurs with the non-AWD cars (due to different length driveshafts).
  • larscalarsca Posts: 60
    I don't get all the talk about torque steer. I drove the T5 and I couldn't feel it. In the S60 T5 I could sense it, but it was fairly slight (more power, that's why).

    Now, have you ever driven a Saab 900 Aero (MY2000 or so)? Talk about torque steer! I was in third gear, punched it and did an unplanned lane change.

    I really don't get the talk about torque steer on the S40s. But maybe that's just me.

    I did hear somewhere that MY2005 will see the exhaust pipes be straightened out instead of pointing down the way they do now. I hope that's true because the way they are now I can't help but thinking the S40, from the rear, looks a little like a dog going about his business... Just my opinion, that's all.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    You'd be amazed at the number of people that haven't seen the ads!

    Also, The lease package on the S60 is more aggressive.
  • avolvofanavolvofan Posts: 358
    Yes, with more power, torque steer becomes more evident. If you are happy with the power of the S40 T5, then torque steer is nothing to worry about. However, if you plan on enhancing the power of the S40 T5, then torque steer is something to consider. The Haldex AWD removes torque steer from the equation. (In addition to the other benefits of the Haldex AWD.)
  • larscalarsca Posts: 60
    I get you. Actually, I have been reading a lot in this and the swedespeed forums about people modding their cars. I never realized it was so widespread. I'd be cautious about modding my car since inevitably it must effect the wear and tear?
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    “"Also, alot of regular consumers don't know that the car is different from the previous S40.
    The S60 is stealing some sales as well."

    That's strange. Volvos been making it pretty visible and advertising it enough. And it certainly looks different from the last s40.”

    Even for someone like me, it took more than a year to bother taking a look at the new 850, & boy, I was surprised that everthing except the ride comfort amazed me. That's why I've been curious & having high expectation for the new S40. As for the average people? I doubt if I can convince them that this expensive little new S40 is very un-S40, not even very un-Volvo except the crashworthness.

    I could try to convince that neither the typical Volvo's nor the BMW 3-series got the highest safety rating from CR due to lack of either high avoidance performance or high crash-test results. But the new S40 might ace it due to S80-like crash safety w/ German-car-like nimbleness.
  • avolvofanavolvofan Posts: 358
    It depends on how far you go down the modifications path. The IPD/TME ECU upgrade is a fairly conservative upgrade. A number of owners who have done the IPD/TME ECU upgrade have reported in excess of 100,000 miles engine life with the upgrade. Conversely, owners who have gone the route of adding higher pressure and throughput turbochargers and more radical ECUs have generally not seen 50,000 miles for their efforts (less if the driving style has been aggressive - which it usually is with those modifications).

    Other popular modifications which do not generally affect the lifespan of the vehicle:

    - Braided stainless steel brake lines (improve braking response by eliminating any softening in the factory brake lines at the wheels);
    - Aftermarket shock absorbers (improve ride - at 50,000 miles in my 850 Trubo, I replaced the original shocks with Bilsteins and the ride improvement was amazing...);
    - Skid pan under the engine/transmission (protect against road debris);
    - Springs to lower the ride height in conjunction with larger anti-sway bars (improve cornering response);
    - Larger brake rotors with 4 piston calipers and improved brake pads (shorten stopping distance and reduce fading under continuous hard braking); and
    - Larger tire/wheel combinations (change the cornering response).

    All of the above will change the original factory performance parameters of the car. In general, the suspension modifications will result in a firmer ride. Sometimes a firmer ride is a negative improvement; in such a circumstance, no modifications should be made to the suspension.

    My personal opinion is that you are going to see a whole range of aftermarket solutions available for the second generation S40. The second generation S40 is such a great baseline car; it gives the enthusiast so much to work with if they chose. (Unlike the S60 with its bloated turning circle (same goes for the S80...).) Don't get me wrong, I like the S60 (I have owned an S60 AWD since 2002); it is just that a 39 foot (42 foot for the R)turning circle doesn't leave much room for improvement. Now, the second generation S40, with its 34.9 foot turning circle (which by the way, beats the MINI's turning circle with its smaller wheelbase...), gives a much better point of departure for enhancements.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "Aftermarket shock absorbers (improve ride - at 50,000 miles in my 850 Trubo, I replaced the original shocks with Bilsteins and the ride improvement was amazing...)"

    I remember the 850, both turbo & non-turbo, had horrible shock tuning & oscillates badly over every ripple of the road.

    So tell us in detail, do the Bilsteins provide a slower rebound? Or softer compression as well?
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    volvomax, how many old 2004 (Mitsubishi Carisma based) S40's do you still have?
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    We have 0 S40's and 5 V40's left.
  • avolvofanavolvofan Posts: 358
    Regarding the MINI's turning circle, I thought I said that the MINI with a smaller wheelbase had a (slightly) larger turning circle than the S40.

    The Bilstein shocks provided both a slower rebound as well as a slightly softer compression.

    To truly appreciate what the Bilstein shock absorbers do for the ride quality, you have to make back-to-back comparisons. Drive one car (850 in this instance) with stock shocks and 50,000 miles. Then drive the same car with the Bilstein shock absorbers (nothing else was changed at the time). It is a night and day experience. Out of curiousity, I wonder how much different things would have been if I had replaced the shocks when the car was new.
  • benjaminsbenjamins Posts: 56
    I think the 850 non turbo had good tuning, it's the turbo version that Volvo made a mess of. It's the same in the s70. The 850 is also sensitive to bad bushings and ball joints, those need replacing early on. It's interesting that just changing to Bilsteins could make the ride that much beter if the other components are worn.

    But, you know, you went from shocks with 50,000 miles to shocks that are new. What would the car ride like with Tokinos? or stock shocks that are new. I heard that 850s and s70s are wonderful with Bilstiens but 960s are best with Volvo's stock shocks. Bilsteins also good on 740s and 760s. What are the stock shocks now on Volvos? Do they use Boge? Bilsteins? Some Volvo branded versions of one of these?

    Regarding turning circles the big Volvos, the 240s and 700 cars turned around in 32 feet. That's a tight turning circle especially considering the size of the cars. That was a wonderful Volvo strength at one time. Now they've gone the opposite direction, totally the wrong way. What makes the turning circle so damned wide on the s60-s80? And it isn't just FWD, the 850 turned around in 33-35 feet.
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