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Buick LaCrosse



  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    ...which is the same thing that you do with the Five Hundred's. And yes, the steering wheel buttons light up at night. Lastly, the entire body of the Five Hundred is essentially a Volvo. But this forum is to discuss the LaCrosse, so if you want to know more about the Five Hundred, see me over there.

    I really, really wanted to buy another GM car...but it was not to be. Perhaps a Lucerne?
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Five hundred would be more attractive to me if it had a stronger V6 option, got rid of the CVT and had a more elegant shape. The Allure (LaCrosse) just looks better in almost every way to me from the outside and has the 3.6L option.

    Lucerne is a disappointment only in the engine department with no 3.6L. Not sure what kind of mileage the V8 will get, but it will probably be priced out of my reach.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048

    the above link takes you to another independent quality rating. Lacrosse is under large cars and Camcord under mid but:

    886 500 (large segment average 868)
    886 Maxima (large segment average 868)
    883 300 (large segment average 868)
    875 G6 (midsize segment average 852)
    874 LaCrosse (large segment average 868)
    853 Camry (midsize segment average 852)
    852 Accord (midsize segment average 852)

    Now all the above cars were above or at average in their segment so they are not dogs but it does show how the domestics have this quality issue behind them on the new models. These are October/November bought vehicles so they are brand new models on the domestics and older models on the transplants. The domestics scores will only go up as they fix the early quality bugs.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Perception is reality and the Japanese are in many people's minds the tops in quality.. I keep saying GM has to hammer home that quality is there, mileage numbers are there and the product is there. Stop selling the cars on price alone, show people the product is more than competitive.

    My parents bought a LeSabre 2 years ago. Still only one issue, a sticky door handle. They love the car.
  • kevokevo Posts: 6
    I am a CXS owner since 2 Jan 05 with 3200 miles on the clock. Overall the car has been excellent. On 3 May I had the brake recall service accomplished. The part needed to complete the recall was not in stock, so the dealership provided a LaCrosse CX for a day. A few previous posts noted the differences with the quantifier "only". To me, that is too simplistic.

    I cannot stress this enough, the CXS is a different car than the two lower versions. We test drove a CXL before the purchase and could notice a difference immediately. I had the CX for a full 24 hours and really got to notice the differences since I had become so familiar with our car. First, there is a huge difference in power delivery. Yeah, the 3800 is fairly powerful, but the feel (and bonus sounds) of the 3.6 is a marked improvement. The only way I can think to describe such an intangible perception is the 3.6 feels like an electric motor. You push the pedal, you go. Very little lag time between the two.

    The feel of the suspensions is as different as the motors. My daily driver before the LaCrosse was a Camaro. Yeah, babies do that to you. The seat of the pants impression of the two lower models made me think "Grandfathers Car". As a 34 year old who is a little embarrassed to tell people I drive a Buick, I have to say I truly enjoy driving the CXS. On a particularly twisty route into Napa wine country, I completely quieted the little voice in my head pushing doubts about buying this car. Again, perception is hard to put into words, but I love the luxury/sport feel of this car.

    I do have a few complaints about the car though. First, all of the commercials trumpet the QuietTuning. Yes, the car is very quiet, but that serves to amplify the typical GM squeeks I was hoping to get away from. I've got an intermittent squeek/rattle in the vicinity of the center air vents. Nothing bad, but at only 3200 miles, it pisses me off. Second, the location of the oil filter illustrates lack of cohesion in design. There is no way to remove the oil filter without dumping oil down the side of the block directly onto a frame section with A/C tubing and a wire loom on top of it. I don't like the mess, and I'm concerned about what oil will do to the cable in the loom over time. I'm a "do it yourselfer" and would have appreciated the engineer actually getting their hand in there and seeing what a stupid arrangement this is.

    Everything else is all positive. The leather seat just keeps getting better and better with time. Note for those with child car seats- - the swoopy lines of the roof line make getting the car seat in and out slightly more difficult. Again, not that bad.

    Hope this helps somebody

  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    The Strategic Vision award is "Total Quality" and includes measures of customer service, which Honda and Toyota have been historically abysmal at. It is not quality in the sense of workmanship, or reliability over a certain period of time.

  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Great post. I have an Intrigue and although I like the 3800, there is something about the Shortstar in my Trig that I just love. A lot of your points describe it well though I'm sure the VVT on the 3.6L make it even better.

    I bought my Intrigue when I was 31 (I'm 36 now). Everyone thought I was nuts buying a "OLDS" but I am never one to follow the crowds to Honda or SUVs or whatever. Buicks were not "old people cars" in the day of the Grand National or the 80's Regals so I never see them that way. Enjoy the car and keep us updated. I have an eye on he CXS for my Intrigue replacement.
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 853
    Thanks alpha for the information. I was suspicious when I saw the results of that survey too. It certainly does not compare with long-term reliability and satisfaction surveys like the Consumer Reports owner-satisfaction studies.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    You are correct, Strategic rates the total car experience. Also Consumer Reports would not have much long term data yet on the new cars. But GM vehicles are doing better at Consumer reports. Regal bests the Camcords. Also the JD Powers IQS2 rates the Regal and Century above the Camcord in recent years. It measures things gone wrong reported by the owner in the first 3 months of ownership. New data will be coming out this week which I hear will repeat this data. Will have to wait and see.

    You can see this data at this web site. Takes a little work but you can pick any car you want and compare. Pretty cool how it works.

    Now as far as how short term quality relates to long term quality. They are directly related. I am afraid I cannot get the data anymore though and it does not show up on the JD power website for some reason. But I believe the Buicks did better than Toyota in the long term data in recent years.

    But new data is coming out tomorrow and we will see!!!
  • rwisemrwisem Posts: 96
    You are so right! it is interesting that Toyota puts a different body on a Camry, but keeps the mechanicals the same and charges 10 grand more for it, while Buick puts the same body on a car with largely upgraded mechanical systems for a lower premium.

    As has been stated, the CXS has a different engine, different suspension tuning and different steering. It's the steering I notice the most. I used to own a 2001 Intrigue GLS and loved how it drove. I would often rent Buick Century's and noticed I drove them much more slowly and deliberately than my Intrigue. I finally figured out it was the steering - the ratio was noticibly slower, forcing me into "old man mode". As I understand, the CXS has an Intrigue steering ratio and the CX and CXL has the Century ratio.

    I'm not saying this is necessarily bad - I like the quicker steering, but not everyone might - sounds like you appreciate it, too.
  • robchemistrobchemist Posts: 37
    Based on the initial quality survey at JDPowers, the Lacrosse did quite well. The 2005 Lacrosse, Accord and Camry were virtually identical. Since just qualitative ratings (among the best, better than most, etc.), as opposed to numerical ratings with standard deviations (XX ± XX problems per vehicle) are given, there may be small but statistically significant differences between the vehicles. Our experience with the Lacrosse (a CX) to date is certainly consistent with the ratings at JDPowers - ca. 2000 miles, no problems.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Hopefully we will have some numbers by tomorrow ;)

    I played with the JD power site a bit more. If you look at the 2001 Century, Accord, Camry for long term dependibiliyt it shows Accord, Regal and Century tied and Camry was quite a bit worse. I do know that for 2001 and beyond a concerted effort was made to improve the quality of the Regal and Century and they improved tremendously for the short term quality measures beating the Camcord. The long term should also show this improvement.

    There is not data of 2002 long term dependibility yet.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Oshawa 1 where LaCrosse/Allure are made just finished 1st in North America in quality with only 85 problems per 100 cars. Nice to know you will get a quality car if you buy one of these Buicks.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048 -

    this is a GM new release on how GM cars did in the latest JD Power Initial quality.

    "Buick LaCrosse Highest-Ranked All-New Redesigned Launch Vehicle; Buick Century Highest in Initial Quality among Vehicles Built in North/South America"
  • dan165dan165 Posts: 653
    I have a 2004 Grand Prix GT I bought when they just came out from Oshawa and it's been virtually flawless and rattle free for over a year and a half. Fit and finish is excellent.

    When I hear people trash GM quality it makes my blood boil because while they may have had some bad apples in the past, their quality over the past few years has risen sharply in every way.
  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    Obviously, they are quite lenient with their criteria of "all-new."
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    That is another term that gets bandied about and the domestics seem to take the brunt of the comment.

    How "all new" was the last Avalon? How about the latest version? Just Camry's in new clothing. How about the Lexus ES300/330? Again Camry's. At least the LaCrosse has a new engine. Whoops that was in a Cadillac!!

    Same with just about every new car that comes out. Can anyone give examples of any "all new" vehicles out there in the last couple years? The G6 is an Epsilon so it is not all new. Solstice looks to be all new but no, it has some parts that were on other cars. Darn. Anyone help here? maybe the 300? I do not know. How about the 500? Mustang?
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    You should pick your examples carefully; the 2000-2004 Avalon rode on the 92-01 Camry chassis, the new Avalon uses a modified version of the current Camry platform. The 3.5L in the new Avalon made its debut in that car, and is NOT related to any current Camry engine.

    In my opinion, the 05 Avalon is a good deal more ALL NEW than the LaCrosse is.

  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    The LaCrosse seems like a restyled Gran Prix in many ways.
    I see websites even calling the Saturn Relay on its aging Venture/Lumina APV chassis "All-New!"
    All-new is now a worthless term.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    I think we all agree. There are very few examples of all new cars. I think the old W cars from 1988 were all new except the engine. I'm sure there are other examples but why would anyone spend the money on tools and engineering to come out with 100% "all-new"?
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