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http://www.engr.uvic.ca/~ssherman/trucks.html
im still impressed that the truck took on a deer and i only busted the grill.. Ford tough!!
On the drawing board is a stainless or aluminized Gibson cat-back (anyone know if stainless is worth the extra dough?) and a Superchip. Then, who knows. Maybe a bigger TB, bigger MAF, JBA headers, high-flow cat, port & polish, etc... Just gotta plant those money tree seeds in the back yard, and I'll be good to go...
Just kidding but go look at the list, with internet addressses added if you want to contact the person. Some of the trucks failed at low mileage for a Toyota.
http://www.the-summit-group.com/rec/4x4/toyaccts.html
Search down to where you find a bold case 12)
The guy talks about a warped block.
scottsss:
I slid backwards down Medano Pass in the Sangres and into a tree. Hit the rear bumper and got a dent the size of a nickel, that is all.
hind:
Well, my lugs are doing just fine. . .
Hey, you and I were suppose to be sitting on the sidelines!
spoog:
The thing I have been asking you about is a component of a supercharger used on the Toyota engines, according to posts I have and have been reading.
You did not know that?
Hey Cspounser...KEep adding those little tic-tacs from Walmart to your rig. ONe of these days you may catch up to the Tacoma........What is that you were saying about price? All these "catch up" goodies are starting to rack up, aren't they?
The only way to get your ranger decent is to replace the entire suspension. Enjoy.
Yes, I agree Toyota at a point in time recognized the gasket issue, however, not at first. Which indicates they did not test their vehicles well enough before selling them to the public. MANY Toyota owners, not as many Tacoma owners appear to be left out in the cold based on the companys decision to draw lines on what it will replace, even though the defect exists.
But lets re-visit your negative comments on Ranger. Ford has recognized some issues and has issued recalls for defects. How does that make Ford any worse than Toyota? You seem to think that if there is a recall the vehicle is junk, except when it is a TACOMA that is recalled.
Oh spoog, MY vehicle has not been recalled.
MY vehicle has run fine from day one.
My vehicle has only had 2 minor problems, both basically switches.
YOU cannot say the same.
But then again, MY vehicle is a FORD RANGER XLT.
FORD=For Overall Rigorous Duty
XLT=Xpose Lying Toyotas
(poetic license on expose)
Also just a heads up. My in-laws live 15 min South of San Louis Obispo. This is california's central coast and heavy fog comes into the valley every night and leaves every morning. They also get very haevy rain in the winter. I may be wrong but that sounds like "Moisture" to me...
ABOUT TIME SOMEONE WITH AN ACTUAL BRAIN COMMENTED!!
Thanks for the hopeful post DocHoliday!
XLT=Xpose Lying Toyotas
(poetic license on expose"
Thats nice Cspounser. I did stuff like this when I was in 3rd grade.
Is this the kind of ammo you have left? lol.
You can't beat the Tacoma with any stats or figures in performance, reliabilty, and resale value, so you poke fun at it with Slogans. Nice. Perhaps you should go over to the Ford verse Chevy group?
Resale, yeah, when you pay 2-4K MORE for a truck it better sell for more.
Performance, nope. Your 1998 article is flawed and bias, Put a 26K TRD up against a 17K low model Ranger, real fair. As I have stated before, I have taken on a TRD and was not impressed. THe Locker is limited in what it can do, along with its an OPEN AXLE when not engaged. And what about the 5mph warning from Toyota?
Reliability? Go check www.carpoint.msn.com to name just one site along with the multiple posts from CP and myself, and even here at Edmunds, you forget the guy with the tearing seats? or Jim with the Tacoma that left him stranded@!
Ford Rangers are reliable. Go to the www.webring.org and vist some of the 100's of Ranger rooms and sites. See the Ranger owners who have high mileage on their Rangers.
We bought a new 1995 Tacoma SR5 XtraCab 4x4 in July of 1995. First SR5 in Boulder. This was the worst new vehicle I have ever purchased. Lots of problems and major design defects. Too many to list.
Toyota agreed with my assessment and allowed me to swap it for a T100 in October, after admitting they could not fix most of the problems.
The T100 had the head gasket problem. We dumped it for an Isuzu Trooper in 1998. The Trooper has been an excellent vehicle, but I digress.
Mid last year, I wanted another truck or SUV because my commute now takes me through the middle of Denver and I wanted better visibility than I had in my Camry (an excellent car by the way).
My wife wouldn't give up her Trooper, so I decided that Toyota MUST have fixed all the bugs in the Tacoma after four years and bought a 1999 Tacoma SR5 4x4. I should have learned, but oh no, I was doomed to try again.
The '99 Tacoma has not suffered from too many defects. The power steering leaked an a seal was replaced. But damn, is this a rough-riding truck. Its also terribly noisy and the auto tranny shifts VERY hard. So hard that my wife always thinks something has broken in the tranny when she drives it (compared to the Trooper).
Chances are I will sent it down the road before its a year old. "Fool me twice, shame on me!"
"TOYOTA 3.4 V-6
The twin-cam setup in Toyota's 3.4 V-6 allows for four valves per cylinder to get more air and fuel in and out of the combustion chambers faster. It works. Our rear-wheel dyno testing showed an incredibly flat torque curve. Jennings logged 210 lb.-ft. of torque rated at 2,000 rpm, which stuck around through 3,000, and we saw 90 percent of peak torque up to 4,000 rpm. Factory ratings at the flywheel are given as 190 horses and 220 lb.-ft., and the Tacoma's 4.10:1 gears did little to dissipate the flow. With numbers like these, combined with the lighter and more nimble body and frame of the Tacoma, it's no wonder the little Toy sneaked ahead of the big boys.
Big improvements include the Toyota Direct Ignition (TDI) system which more precisely controls timing and reduces any voltage loss typical in traditional systems. The TDI uses one ignition coil for each pair of cylinders. The 3.4 uses twin-ground spark plugs, which doubles the number of sparks per fire. The new V-6 engine gains displacement over the previous 3.0 via bigger bore and stroke, with the same aluminum block and cast-iron heads. Additional improvements include intake and exhaust manifold refinements to enhance air/fuel flow. Better breathing is gained in the form of a bigger air filter (to allow greater cfm in per second), and a larger muffler and tubing to reduce backpressure. "
Q: My T100 rear body has started to sag quite a bit and if loaded almost bottoms out.
A: The earlier models had springs that were weak and Toyota will replace them if yours qualifies. The Tacoma
4x4 has a different problem in that one of the rear leaf springs will crack. These also can be replaced if inspected
with an upgraded spring. You may think that you are out of warranty but remind the dealer that this is a safety
issue and contact Toyota for assistance, they almost always pay the whole amount.
and the link: http://toyotarepair.com/Body.html
http://www.plant.ca/plant/Content/970526/automotive/03.html
the important part.
"Among light trucks, Toyota Tacoma (63) scores best, followed by Ford Ranger (76) and Nissan pickup (79). Full-size pickups
have the Ford F-series (64), Chevrolet C/K (88) and Toyota T100 (90)."
number in parenthises is number of problems per 100 vehicles sold..
wow a Ford f-150 just as reliable as a tacoma..
The weather here in the NW is beautiful. Heading up to MT ST Helens this weekend with some friends to do some site seeing. Snow is too deep to really go trailing this time of the year. Will stay down around the lower snow line though.
See you in the hills!
I have not had time to organize all my 9 other findings I have on the Tacoma. My new DELL, as I sit her now, has the side off, and I cannot get it the diagnostics without it failing on the CD R/W system. It gives me an intermittent beep code of 1 long, 3 short which is not in the book and Dell does not know what it is. LED lights show a BIOS recovery indication every time I start it. Think I am gonna call em for a replacement. What a great American company, have a problem in the first 30 days, they replace the product.
Well with the snow tonight the Ranger was working fine in 4X4 high. Fishtails a bit sometimes if I do not have it in 4X4. Towed my daughter-in-laws Saturn (she hit a curb and bent the right wheel) off I225 to a safe place, the new rear tow hooks I added sure proved their worth tonight.
You know I have heard the comments here about the weight capacity of a Ranger but I have had 190-200 gal of H2O (8.3lb per gal)and 4 passengers in my truck for a total weight of around 1900 lb with no real problems. Done it a couple of times. Not that I would do that every day, but the Ranger has done it.
Anyone else hauled that much?
In the news the Ford Ranger is supposely to get a new inline 5 cylinder engine in the year 2003.
Cpousnr . . . I just un-retired myself from the sideline.
findings I have on the Tacoma. My new DELL, as I
sit her now, has the side off, and I cannot get it
"the diagnostics without it failing on the CD R/W
system. It gives me an intermittent beep code of 1
long, 3 short which is not in the book and Dell
does not know what it is. LED lights show a BIOS
recovery indication every time I start it. Think I
am gonna call em for a replacement. What a great
American company, have a problem in the first 30
days, they replace the product."
Cspounser--- Kind of reminds you of your ranger eh?
My PC is homebuilt. I am slapping a 650e coppermine into my new motherboard this weekend. Works flawlessly.
I notice you have alot of computer problems.
The Ford Adrenalin is a go:
"A lot of people have been writing to us asking if Ford will ever offer a high performance Ranger, a little brother to the F-Series Lightning. According to recent Ford documents, YES."
"BlueOvalNews has learned that Ford Motor Company approved funding for a Ranger "Adrenalin" version in late 1998."
What we do not know is if the Ranger will receive special body enhancements or what specific engine performance upgrades will be used. We do know; however, that the Adrenalin will not use the same engine as the standard Rangers."
"The Ranger Adrenalin is scheduled for a JOB1 launch on or about 7 July 2000 which according to Ford's own documents would make it a 2001 model year vehicle."
IMHO, handling and ride are two different aspects of a vehicle's "personality". The '99 Tacoma handles well (unlike my '95, which was hazardous) but the ride is much worse than any of the other three Toyota 4x4 trucks I've owned since 1985 (and two 4Runners).
Another gripe I have with the Tacoma is how Toyota has "de-contented" the vehicle. The only way a buyer can now purchase some of the luxury features that used to be standard on an SR5 is to pay an extra $5000 for the Limited Package. $5000 for power mirrors and fancy bucket seats??? Ya gotta be kidding! What happened to the power antenna??? Anyway, I wish I still had my 1989 SR5 Xtracab. Again IMHO- That was when Toyota actually made good vehicles that built their reputation.
I knew little about Isuzus prior to "studying" for the purchase of the Trooper. Yes, the Trooper is technically an SUV, but you wouldn't know it from the robustness of the drivetrain and suspension. Pure truck stuff. BTW- Isuzu ONLY makes "trucks" these days. Drive a new Trooper and compare it to your Tacoma for quietness, ride, power and smoothness. All for about the same money as a Tacoma.
Ya pays your money and ya takes your chances. Toyota won't get any more of MY money, unless they completely re-vamp their compact truck, drop the Tacoma name (so the new one won't be confused with it) and price it fairly.
coffins Toyota boys!"
This is exactly the type of immature, low life, feeble minded, small man, comment, that i expect from the likes of you, Vince. Now in your quest to always be right and have something to ramble about, you stoop to the ultimate low, with that coffin comment.
I guess i'd rather have the chance to maybe avoid a side hit, than to just have my car go up in flames un-announced.
Grow Up Jerk
-wsn
Will the Koln 4.0L V6 in the Ranger be around until 2003? Oops the 3.0 and 2.5 engines are marked for death,
coffins Toyota boys!"
This is exactly the type of immature, low life, feeble minded, small man, comment, that i expect from the likes of you, Vince. Now in your quest to always be right and have something to ramble about, you stoop to the ultimate low, with that coffin comment.
I guess i'd rather have the chance to maybe avoid a side hit, than to just have my car go up in flames un-announced.
Grow Up Jerk
-wsn
The Tacoma finishes LAST, LAST, LAST. Enjoy your
coffins Toyota boys!"
I personally think that you are a joke, and for all you have said it shows to me your true intent and a closed minded person. Your the kind of guy even when in error would not admit it. Are you lacking in humility or still in your adolescent stage in life?
That crash test only applies to that particular Tacoma in a different class from the Tacoma 4x4. Now I have placed a link here twice citing the fact that the Tacoma in the offset crash test at 40 mph did better than the Ranger and other compact trucks. In fact the frontal crash test is the primary indicator of crash worthiness.
Automatic Transmission.
To Date 150,000 Miles
1 Waterpump 90,000 miles
This truck survived various front collisions with bushes and stumps in the everglades.
Oil is changed normally whenever the wife feels like it or once in a blue moon whichever comes first.
Changed Transmission Fluid & Screen at....let me go do it right now...
Ah Yes, I am currently trying to get some rust spots on the frame cleaned and painted. Roof got a little paint peal so I had the truck painted. Looks brand new now.....
There are a many of thing the wife has not bothered to do anything about. The fuel gauge is sticking and who knows if anything works in the dash, and the radio was barely audible so I had a WHOLE NEW sound system put in with a CD AM/FM radio.
Oil seeps from unknown places..
She drives a mix of highway and city, daily, with several hard accelerations each week
(4,000 to 5,000 RPM) running red lights and who knows what else.
But the bottom line is now matter what she does to it IT TAKES A LICKING AND KEEPS ON .....
I suggest you go A LONG ways back in this thread and check out the NHSTA Technical Service Bulletins and the 4wheeelr.com head to head Ranger Taco comparison.
Oh, and you couldn't get 1500 dollars for your truck. People just don't consider it worth anything at all.
Engine: 4-Cyl. 2.4 Liter
Trans: Automatic Trans.
Drive: 2 Wheel Drive
Mileage: 150,000
Equipment:
Air Conditioning
Power Steering
AM/FM Stereo
Compact Disc
Sliding Rear Window
Custom Bumper
Towing Pkg
Retail Value $3,520
Time to put out the lights on the competition....nite nite...
Most serious recall for the Ranger? Maybe the fuel rails in the 3.0. I had something simular on my 94 Intrepid. The cruise control chain on the 4.0 99's was a very limited recall. As many of the Ford owners have pointed out, the large number of TSB's, for the most part, do not document a problem per se, but maintenance methods, missing stickers, door interlock swithches sticking, that kind of stuff.
Great posts CP. I doubt if anyone from the Tacoma group will actually read them.
Why doesn't Toyota offer anti-lock brakes as standard equipment?
Ooops. The gaskets, the emission issue, and a few broken lugnuts. hmmmm..... compared to all the issues Hindsite and I brought up, this is rather trivial. Like...lets say...the cruise control causing the vehicle to race away, a fuelline that causes fires, bad transmissions, bad paint, engines get destroyed easy by water.....but enough.
I shall be posting the details of every single Technical Service Bulletin by for the FORD RANGER from 89-99. Enjoy these detailed and compelling posts i nthe following weeks. Oh...by the way...there are 3000 of them. Enjoy.
The 2001 Adrenalin, man gotta look at that guy this summer. SPOOG, thank you for complaining that Ford lacked a vehicle like the TRD.
Ford LISTENED to you.
Lets see it will have basically the same hp as the Tacoma, 15 or so more ft/lb torque than a stock Tacoma, the raised stance in 4X4 and 4X2. Maybe Billistines or Rancho RS 5000/9000's? Just hope they keep the price reasonable and do not go ungodly colors on the vehicle.
I have a friend that races his 69 Mustang and he owns a 96 Ranger STX. His last truck was an older Toyota. He really prefers the Ranger. Anyway, he is sending me some info on hp vs torque with the assessment that torque is the more important factor. Will share when he sends it.
It is torque that makes the tires go round, not hp.
By the way I did not attempt to post all the TSB's or recalls. That would serve no purpose.
And just to set the record straight, I do not mind you bringing up issues that you feel are important regarding Ford, but understand because it was a complaint against a Ranger, does not mean that it was applicable to MY Ranger. The numbers of some of the recalls/TSB's are either small or span 2-4 vehicles, making it a higher number.
So far, spoog, my Ranger is doing real well, given the 24,000 miles I have on it. Did your 3.4 V6 head gasket get done on recall or did they TELL you it did not apply to your truck? I posted some data that SUGGESTS that the problem may still exist in the 3.4. You know it is your call cause it is your engine.
I do not mind hindsite bringing up issues, however, for the most part, problems with the Ford Escort do not apply to my Ranger.