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Take heart.
Canadian winters are rough on fuel economy especially if you are prone to warming up the car extensively. My own experience has been winter driving decreases fuel economy figures by 10% or more.
You may want to give it a couple more months and see how the numbers compare in the spring/summer.
Personally I have found Consumer Reports provides the most accurate predictions of fuel economy. CR gives an excellent rating to the SkyActiv versions of the Mazda 3. The SkyActiv mpg numbers are 22 city, 43 highway, 32 overall. BTW you may want to deflate your expectations as the cruising range is 465 miles or roughly 750 km according to CR.
Another tip: do not wait until the gas tank is empty to fill up the car in winter; condensation in the tank can affect the performance of the car.
I hope that some of you might have insight into its pricing. Essentially, is it possible to break through 19k OTD (including tax tag and fees) on an itouring auto hatch? Based on initial estimates, I'd like to think that breaking through 20k though I'm not sure....
Are these realistic options to hold out for or just pull the trigger on what's available?
All prices out-the-door.
Thanks for your help!
I am mid-negotiation and it looks like i've hit a wall with my dealers. lowest seem to get is 18869 sale for 20571 OTD on a 2012. 2013 is roughly 1000 over.
As I write this I've had a call from one that brings the price of a 2013 down to within $300 of the 2012 to 20884. So I think I'll go with that. Is this reasonable?
I was wondering if there's an imaginary 20k OTD wall on 2012s. (itouring hatch auto)
sorry to leave this detail out!
1) Inspect every inch of the car you want to test drive
2) Test drive the car focus on the alignment as well as its comfort and performance
3) Negotiate the price, don’t let them fool you (Do your research for the national OTD average sale price) minus any incentives
4) Inspect and test drive the car again before signing the contract
5) Be patient and walk out if you don’t get the deal you want
6) The dealers are only LOYAL to your MONEY not their product as Mazda of Stockton sold to me the car without having the proper quality control.
Wishing you the best of luck on your journey of buying a new car!
Keep this in mind, once you signed the contract the car is yours and can't exchange unless it the safety issue and they can't fix it. For example, I have two issues with my Mazda 3. 1) The hood is not properly installed. It visually notices that it’s off to the driver side that leave passenger side gap is wider. 2) The alignment is way off. I took it back to the dealer on the next two days later. The 40 years experience sale man said, "It's normal for the mass product car." He tried to show 3 other new cars but none of them have the same hood problem as my car. Then, I had to make an appointment to bring my car in for alignment and hood adjustment on Monday, Feb. 25. And their best courtesy is to drop me off at home.
Finally, they could only fix the alignment but not the hood. I think even though it's the mass product car, Mazda should produce it right at the first time before selling it to the consumer. Honestly, I bought two other new cars in the last 6 years and did not encounter such problem. My advice to all new car buyers:
1) Do some price researches and plan what you are willing to pay for the car you like.
1) Inspect every inch of the car you want to test drive
2) Test drive the car focus on the alignment as well as its comfort and performance
3) Negotiate the price, don’t let them fool you (Do your research for the national OTD average sale price) minus any incentives
4) Bring a pen with you and during price negotiation, write down any prices they're offering to you. Keep in mind they could change the number as they went back to adjust the price for you. Watch out for the incentive they took out for you at the first time because they could take it out without you notice i. EX. $22,369.00 to $21,969.00
5) Inspect and test drive the car again before signing the contract (avoid to close the deal at night since it's hard inspect the car for the last time.)
6) Be patient and walk out if you don’t get the deal you want
7) The dealers are only LOYAL to your MONEY not their product as Mazda of Stockton sold to me the car without having proper quality control.
8) Don't trust any dealers....
PS: Do I plan to buy Mazda again? The answer is that I have to think twice about it. If I do, it won't be from Mazda of Stockton.
Wishing you the best of luck on your journey of buying a new car!
Interesting. Could you post a photo showing the hood problem?
I bought two other new cars in the last 6 years ... 8) Don't trust any dealers
Did you have problems with the previous dealers?
In the future, follow your own advice and remember one thing my grandmother always told me,"You can get more with honey than vinegar"! If you treated the sales folk as your written tone seems to be, you got what you deserved sir! It ain't their fault!!!
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
It's a 2012 Mazda3 i Touring SKYACTIV 4-door w/ 6-speed Manual Transmission
MSRP is $19,495, but Internet Sale Price is $14,772
Liquid Silver w/ Black Cloth
2.0L 155hp SKYACTIVE 4-cylinder
6-speed Manual Transmission
Rated at 27mpg City and 39mpg Highway
Power Windows, Door Locks and Side Mirrors
Remote Keyless Entry
Cruise Control
Tilt/Telescope Steering Column
6-speaker AM/FM/CD/SIRIUS-ready Audio System
Bluetooth Hands-Free Phone & Audio
Leather Wrapped Steering Wheel and Gear Shift Knob
Steering wheel mounted audio & hands-free phone controls
16” Alloy Wheels
At $14,772 it is priced almost $1k less than the Private Party Value for a identical USED 2012! I wish I was in a position to snag it for myself and I would have put a deposit on it last night! But I'm in the middle of a freakin' Mortgage Re-fi and my hands are tied behind my back until it closes...story of my life!
Anyway, this car is at Cory Fairbanks Mazda in Longwood, Florida 32750. Their number is 1-866-698-0572.
http://www.bigmazda.com/new/Mazda/2012-Mazda-Mazda3-ea99dc650a0d0669016d864e645c- 9705.htm#">2012 MZ3 DEAL
Having said that, the 2012 Mazda3 is, I think, the best deal on the market right now. Of course, i'm biased because I bought one two weeks ago! Got a similar deal at $17,200 out the door and if you subtract taxes and fees the actual sale price of the car was about $16K - $500 current mazda owner rebate.
All of that is to say that I know their tricks. The dealer with the super cheap 2012 i Touring has a $399 non-negotible fee and no rebates are included in that advertised price. So a current Mazda owner or Military should be able to buy it for $14,671 ($14,772 minus $500 plus $399 fee) plus TT&T. Florida dealers actually don't collect Sales Tax for Georgia residents if you will be transporting the car out of the state immediately. So I could write a check for $14,671, unless they lied in the email they reply they sent me. Of course, I can't write a check for that amount because I spent all my freakin' money on a CX-9...which I actually LOVE! And they made my 2007 Explorer go away, I had to fight back the tears of joy as they pulled it around to the back lot and I new I'd never have to see it, drive it or PAY TO REPAIR IT again!!! I can't help but wonder what they did with it- did they box it up and ship it back to HELL or just send it to auction?
The wife's Mazda3s is closing in on the 117k mark and the service engine light has not re-appeared since Wednesday, maybe it just was the gas cap after all. I do not want to spend another dime on it and pray the a/c doesn't go out again...works on fan speed 3 & 4 only now, but hey, it still works! Glad we did the motor mounts as she purrs like it did the 1st time we drove it off the lot. Very impressed with how well this Mazda has held up over the years. All it needs is to remove the oxidation from the headlights and a good detail and it'll shine like new. Will re-schedule the detail since the light has not come back on and limp it through till the 2014 models arrive.
She insists that she wants to downsize so we'll seriously look at the Mazda2 along with the Accent and Rio. Tried the Fiesta but it wasn't what she wants. Just wish the Mazda2 came in a sedan then I think she'd definitely buy it as we like Mazda and the dealer is so close...just across the street. I prefer the Rio over the Accent due to the styling inside and out but the Hyundai store is next door to the Mazda place. We shall see what happens come the end of this year...i like to buy the last week of any year as folks are spending their cash elsewhere and good deals can be had especially on the 31st.
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
I'm looking at a 2012 iTouring Auto Sedan with an MSRP of 20,545 in zip code 66502 (Kansas). What's a good price to go for with this? The dealer is saying that there's a 2250-2500 incentive reimbursement to the dealer (heard 2500 first, then 2250) and I haven't tried to take him down any further yet. What number should I shoot for before tax?
Is it also wrong to refuse their ~$200 admin/document fee?
Also, would Mazda's 0 percent financing still apply for this vehicle if the price is reduced? The dealer claimed it would not.
Thanks,
Will_KSU
$18,140 is a very good price!
I have an offer in hand for 2013 iTouring HB, AT with no extra options for $18,940. And that includes the S-plan, $1000 loyalty, $500 for using 0% financing. Wonder if the distance from the sea makes so much difference - I am in Michingan
Thru 04/30/2013, Mazda has the following Dealer Cash (aka- Marketing Support) incentives in place-
$2250 - can't be used with Mazda Capital Services Special APR financing
$1000 - can ONLY be used in conjunction with Mazda Capital Services Special APR financing
$250 - Bonus Cash, can be used in conjunction with $2250
Special APR Financing
24-60 months - 0.0% APR
72 months - 1.9% APR
So it's either $2500 and no 0% financing OR
$1000 + 0.0% Financing Deal
I just used your ZIP to get Edmunds TMV price for the car and here is what I got-
MSRP- $20,345
Invoice- $19,497
Edmunds TMV- $16,821
So I would shoot for about $17,000 plus their $200-ish Admin Fee plus Tax, Tag and Title. You may also want to go thru the Edmunds 'Get a Dealer Quote' system is they won't come close to that deal. A dealer in Edmunds' network should be willing to sell it to you for TMV-
http://www.edmunds.com/mazda/mazda3/2012/options.html?style=101413975#step1
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
= 19336 for car. (excluding)
Feb 28 2013. we are in eastern CT shopping at modern mazda.
no options. silver.
Sedan or Hatchback?
BTW a dealer in my area (Wisconsin) has offered me a 2013 hatch itouring auto with the preferred package for $21,299 (including $1,000 incentive). What do you guys think? It's below edmunds TMV, but it's still above invoice.
He also clarified that for 5/24-6/3 the 0% incentive will also be $1,000, while the non-special financing will remain $1,000 in case anyone is wondering. Not sure if that's just in my area.
Was able to combine the 1000 customer cash AND 1000 loyalty AND 0% financing, so total cost of $22,773 plus $426 in title & reg fees (no sales tax in this state). Think I did OK!
My daughter just got a silver Mazda3 2013 iTouring HB, AT with no extra options for around $18,250 before tax & lic. in Morrow, GA outside Atlanta. That was about $800 less than other dealers in the area.
Also- has anyone noticed the mazdausa.com website doesn't mention the year of your car for competitive discount, but the dealer does? I'm in Florida.
Thanks for your help!!
Thanks!
So far my best OTD price (MD tax @6%) has been 19K for a i Sport. 20K for i touring.
These are just initial e-prices sent out, and I haven't made any counteroffers yet or asked anyone to beat any prices.
What can I reasonably expect to pay for either trim currently?
I know right now there is $1,000 incentive combined with 0% financing. The prices above include that incentive, but nothing for military, loyalty, etc.
Thanks!
MSRP $20795
Capitalized Cost $19130
Money Factor: .00007
Residual: 58% $12061
Monthly Payment: $214.97 before Sales Tax
Monthly Payment: $234.32 after sales tax (Northern California)
Drive off payment: $584.77 (first month payment, registration and title, doc fees, etc)
I feel I got a fair deal thanks to the feedback on this forum. Of course, it involved shopping different dealers - some were amazingly misleading with everything from the money factor to the residual.
Since the car was leased at a very favorable money factor, I was not eligible for the $1000 cash rebate applicable to outright purchases.
AZ TL fees $1,910 (Phoenix Arizona)
doc fee's $395
Total OTD $19,685
60 months at 0%
Good deal??