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Also, i see very little prices quoted on this site that people have actually paid. I was looking to pay no more than $15,000 - not really interested in any funky options (maybe just a radio that takes my mp3 player). Is that reasonable?
Unless the Ford was in bad shape, I would keep it.
I've passed my last two 'wore out' Sables down to my boys as they turn driving age. Each with over 200,000 miles on them. Because I drive so many miles, the cars have little or no trade value anyway. :sick: So they're worth more in my driveway as 'beater' cars. That's not to say I give them cart blanch to abuse the vehicles - but I don't have the concern of the 'fender bender'. That said, my youngest is driving my Reatta quite a bit - that one I DO worry about. Anyway, with the Scion pure pricing philosophy your Focus likely has little trade in value as well. So, if it is a practicaly decision - drive the Ford into the ground. If its an emotional one (nothing wrong with that) get the Scion. I have no regrets with my purchase.
The Zeta armrest is great, by the way, and easy to install.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
With my other cars - 6 cylinders - there was no noticable difference with or without the A/C. But these little engines are seriously affected.
I am writing this to see if anyone else has had this experience trying to purchase an xB recently.
First of all I ordered the xB 2005 back in July for around 15K total. I filled out all the forms, gave my deposit and my car was saposed to arrive 4 weeks later. It never arrived and I never even got a call from the dealer (they still had my desposit). I called the dealership and they told me that the 2005 is no longer available and that we can only get the 2006 now.
Problem is, they won't sell it now without the "optional" Toyota Total Care plan ($700 I think) and they are charging me an additional "dealer fee" of $599. What the heck?!
My total cost for all fees and taxes is now $16,500, that's 1,500 more than before.
I called other dealers in my area and they are also charging an additional "dealer fee" even though they didn't do it before with the 2005 model.
My point is, Scion is saposed to have a no price haggling policy but this is not just price haggling, this is out right price hiking!
Has anyone else experienced this?
I am writing this to see if anyone else has had this experience trying to purchase an xB recently. I live in South East Florida.
First of all I ordered the xB 2005 back in July for around 15K total. I filled out all the forms, gave my deposit and my car was saposed to arrive 4 weeks later. It never arrived and I never even got a call from the dealer (they still had my desposit). I called the dealership and they told me that the 2005 is no longer available and that we can only get the 2006 now.
Problem is, they won't sell it now without the "optional" Toyota Total Care plan ($700 I think) and they are charging me an additional "dealer fee" of $599. What the heck?!
My total cost for all fees and taxes is now $16,500, that's 1,500 more than before.
I called other dealers in my area and they are also charging an additional "dealer fee" even though they didn't do it before with the 2005 model.
My point is, Scion is saposed to have a no price haggling policy but this is not just price haggling, this is out right price hiking!
Has anyone else experienced this?
I"ve had trouble accessing the Scion website for info on options, pricing, etc. since i don't have the latest bells and whistles computer system . . . long story short, I've been shopping for an xB.
I agree with all the positive aspects mentioned on this wonderful forum. I'm 6'2" and have long been uncomfortable in normal sedan cars. The xB is immediately spacious and safe (good visibility). My experience shopping has been that there is a no haggle price policy. However, when I recently stopped at a dealer in Charlottesville, VA to test a 2004 used xB with 13K miles, their sticker was upwards of 15, 688 and mentioned "cruise control". First, the dealer said the price was a starting point. I remined him I could go and buy a 2006 for less. Second, is cruise control an option on the automatic drive xB?
I test drove a 2005 xB with 35 miles on it at the same dealer, and it seemed to have a resonation or vibration in the engine/transmission at around 3500 rpms. Has anyone else noticed/experienced this? The 2004 I drove did not have it.
Also, I heard a recommended option is an "additional" stabilizer bar for the front end? I thought the xB comes already with torsion/stabilizer bars both front and rear . . .
Do the seats remove in the xB? Or do they just fold down for more cargo? I'm replacing my Ford E-150 van with a Scion, aware that there will be only so much room, but the xB can haul some large objects.
Concerning prices, I ran a Consumer Reports actual dealer cost report on the 2006 xB. It says the Invoice Price is the same as Wholesale Price. On the automatic, for example, MSRP is 15,195, Invoice/Wholesale is 14,460. So they have about $735.00 to "play with", yet I suspect no dealer will split the difference. Destination charge is $515 and included in the above pricing. I will walk from any dealer who adds additional delivery, or processing fees.
Anyone have a roof rack on their xB? I thought that was an option too.
Thanks for the help!!!
I'm 6'2" also and after 3 months of research and test drives, I bought the '05 XB. The ride , handling, and visibility are fantastic. I avg. 33-35 mpg and drive 110 miles daily in my commute. I took delivery on April 2 and now have 16000 miles. No vibrations on mine--maybe tires need balancing. The XB comes std. with traction control and skid control though. The strut tie bar for the front does inprove handling and it's $225 installed at the dealer. I have one and am glad I bought it.
No, the XB does not come with torsion and sway bars, but you can by these as aftermarket items. No cruise is standard on the XB--all are aftermarket items and the dealers will rape you on the cost of those($350-$600). You can buy the same unit for $79 on the web and have a garage install or do it yourself. Roof racks are also a dealer ordered item and they will overcharge you for those also. Thule makes a rack for the XB and it's cheaper on the web or your local rack dealer.
I've never pulled my rear seat out, but you can take them out. I have read about removal on several message boards. Good luck with your shopping
Finally, I have a '98 A4 that I want to trade in. It is in excellent shape with low mile except for a short in the gauge cliuster ($1K to fix according to the Audi dealership) and a cracked gas tank ($2K to replace). I've never traded a car in....is it better to sell to a private party as is or to sell to a dealership and are the dealerships anal when giving you a trade in value? Thank you
Keyless Entry is free. Floor mats are not. Make sure you also get the cargo mat. No security on mine. The xB is tinted like a minivan meaning the back windows are more tinted than the front ones from the factory.
Finally, I have a '98 A4 that I want to trade in. It is in excellent shape with low mile except for a short in the gauge cliuster ($1K to fix according to the Audi dealership) and a cracked gas tank ($2K to replace). I've never traded a car in....is it better to sell to a private party as is or to sell to a dealership and are the dealerships anal when giving you a trade in value? Thank you
If you need $3000 worth of work, it may be more beneficial to trade it in. You just have to do your HW and compute what its worth with repairs, without repairs, and what the dealership will give you for it. Choose what is better for you. However, its going to be hard to sell it private with a cracked gas tank.
I appreciate your feedback. I am interested in the tC, xB and '06 Civic Coupe and am doing my homework. Yeah-who'd have believed that their gas tank would crack. I have never heard of a plastic one cracking...bad luck I guess, but no more European cars-EVER!!
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For $18,075 (No TTL) I orderd a black automatic and have the following addons:
fog lights
rear spoiler
rear bumper appplique
stainless steel exhaust tip
cruise control
alarm system
floort/cargo mats
armrest
blue LED internal lights
8' Bazoka subwoofer
Upgraded Pioneer 6CD/iPod Compatible Stereo
thanks
i am not considering I-10 toyota due to the fact that their lot is so tiny. i have been at Toyota of desert before (their lot is huge), i bought a toyota there in 1991. however i seem to be having trouble getting them to respond to my emails. i'm suppose to go and buy in about 9 days, it will be the first (and possibly the last) time that i can pay in cash. i hope they have some dark blue ones with auto and i'll have to spring for a armrest too. by the way, Americas Tire co has some really nice alloy wheels for @ $80 each= $320+tax. way cheaper than scions alloys which are $665!
thanks, any further info would be appreciated. oh, and there's several distributors on ebay who have billet grilles for @ $70 (shipping included) i think i'll order one! :shades:
thanks,
Give careful thought to your color choice. All the darker ones show dirt very badly, and I see a lot of posts that the paint scratches easily. Mine is black cherry, which I thought was discontinued for 06 but obviously isn't. It's gorgeous when it's washed, but any dirt really shows up.
Thanks for the tip about the wheels, that's a great price if they look good. The ones that come standard on the car (you choose from three styles, which all look about the same) are cheap PLASTIC; don't know how long they'll hold up.
I also recommend getting the decal that goes across the top of the rear bumper. My dogs jumped into the back the first time I opened the rear door, and they scratched the bumper with their nails. The bumper decal Scion sells is about $65 I think, and looks pretty cheap, but it's better than nothing. Has anyone found anything better for the top of the rear bumper?
P.S. What is a 'billet grille'?
there are about three different styles on there right now. stainless steel mesh, black powder coat mesh, and finally billet polished aluminum. billet is usually the most popular( it kind of looks like chrome). "billet" usually stands for "polished aluminum".
just go to ebay and do a search for "xb grille" and you will see all of them under vehicle accessories. i also saw a guy on there who sales a custom chrome (bezel) ring for your speedometer, though i am not sure if it is worth $50 or not (do search for "xb speedometer" to find that)
oh...and since the paint colors are such an issue, i think i will buy a white one! hope this info is helpful:shades:
these days it is hard to keep kids interested in mom or dads activities.if buying a car that looks like a "hotwheel" or a toy will help keep her interested in what i'm doing and want to ride in it with me............well i see that as a big bonus!
at least it will help to bridge the gap of our age difference and give us something in common to both enjoy and be able to talk about.........
with all the mods coming out, i think it does look like a cool little toy. it's different and that's what i want no more (as others have said) dull cookie cutter mobiles!
also, i beleive it is one of the very few cars left that still offers a real ashtray..........can be a positive or negative, your choice ....but a detail that i noticed :shades:
I got the rear bumper applique on mind, and its worth the $58.
I already lost one of my wheel covers since I got it, but I bought an extra set for $30. Now I have spares. Someday I'm going to discount tire and get some wheels. I agree thats the cheaper way.
The interesting thing is the tires, its a weird size and not many people make it. I hope before time replacement comes up, more tire companies will make the size.
7600 miles and going
Re color, there seem to be very few white xBs out there, and the few I've seen look really sharp. Plus you can touch up white paint really easily (even use WhiteOut in a pinch)
The xB does come with an ashtray, but it's too small to even store the car lighter in. If you smoke, you're probably better off getting one of those mug-looking things that fits in your cup holder and has a funnel-shaped hole in the top (get it at any car wash). They're easy to hit with ashes and butts, and they actually seem to contain a lot of the odor.
I went ahead and bought the bumper protector today. Toyota of the Desert had one in stock and discounted it to $38 plus tax. It comes with four pages of directions, but it went on really easily...just clean the bumper, spray soapy water on it (so you can slide the decal around before you finalize it), peel off the backing and stick it on. They say to use a squeegie, but I just used a clean dry cloth.
As far as your daughter liking to ride in it with you, kudos! It might be that the damn thing is so much fun to drive that you just exude happiness, and she feels it too.
3000 miles on mine, but driving to SF Friday so will be just about due for my FIRST FREE OIL CHANGE when I get back!
well worth every penny. also ordered a custom velour dash cover last night for $43.70 shipping included. now i just need to go get the xb middle of next week (just waiting for my deposit to clear the bank). i'll buy it, then off to tire shop for those cool wheels for @ $80 each (silver alloys by Konig), then home to apply new grille and dash cover. within one day it will already look a lot different and custom
within a week of that i will order the bumper mat, armrest, and pick up a windshield tint strip for Pep boys.;)
p.s. there appears to only be like two very accessible mounting tabs on top of grille which makes it simple to install (no mods needed) even comes with the hardware!
that was my concern.
just thought you might like to know.........
got a silver one with auto, remote locks,side spoilers, and xb carpet mats.
it had just come off the truck and was still waiting for them to put on the rear bumper and stereo. it only had two miles on it...........
i drove it, looked at it, then bought it on the spot!
$15,300 before tax and license.
sales guy made it a very smooth transaction.
they have to finish it and will deliver it to me tomorrow so they gave a camry as a loaner for the night.
THANKS TOYOTA OF THE DESERT!!!! :shades:
it just reminds me of a big toy.
oh, dealership also threw in a full tank of gas and a scion keychain with chrome license plate frame :shades:
I knew about the "no haggle" price... but yesterday I asked the dealer if they could at least do first 3-4 oil changes for free (I know it's important to use the right oil especially when the car is new). They said "no" -- so I didn't buy the car.
It seems I wasted 4 weeks for nothing... I think I"m going to go to another dealer tomorrow.
Is it normal that the dealer doesn't give you anything "for free"? Maybe someone could recommend a better dealer in the Chicago area? Thanks,
tom
Don't sweat the small stuff.