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Joe
I think that is why the Challenger, the Mustang GT maybe GT500) and the Camaro somewhat, are getting the rave reviews. They are allowing people like yourself, who were too young in the pony & muscle car era to get a chance to relive it.
Plus it is allowing kats and kittens like me, who missed it all together, to be able to purchase a vehicle that really represents that time. We all don't want Scions, Tiburons and Civics. With people / organizations like Kruse, Barret-Jackson and others jacking the prices for the old iron into the stratosphere I'm never going be able to afford a muscle-car era one.
Hyundai is working on a RWD sports car coupe. So now comes an interesting choice between a modern looking and presumably handling car, vs. the retro. I would consider both as good choices. We live in the future, so why not a good new car? Wasn't the 2004 a good Mustang- I think it had its good points. If a new car comes along, large enough to fit a bigger boy into and have room Americans expect inside, with good gas mileage, handling and looks, it too may be considered a Pony car. I wish the Challenger and Camaro were smaller and lighter, and had good V6 engines- modern and fuel efficient. We shall see.
Loren
Oh I agree. I actually like the current Tiburon (really disliked the previous gen, too sharky for me - I even liked the Scoupe, remember that one?) and the tC. Maybe I wasn't clear as I might have sounded like I was bashing the vehicle, sorry bout that.
The Tiburon actually has a bodyline similar to a 456GT and has some Ferrariesque cues to it; I think it is a really tight pacakge. The tC looks robust without being piggy-like and have heard many great things about them from their owners. Even visited the Scion site, and the mods / accessories that can be added is really endless; almost seems to taking over some of the older Civic's territory somewhat. If I was in the market for a small runabout, those two would be on my list (actually made it when doing a "dream" list").
But a first-gen Miata with a 5-liter conversion still tops that list though
The Challenger was a very nicely shaped automobile. The new one looks pretty good. Better than say 1970- not sure about that one. I take it these are indeed not Pony wars people are really speaking of, but rather HP wars. The same people that a few months ago wanted a bigger and more powerful SUV, now seek out the neo-muscle cars. Usually more HP than they can handle considering current high speed wrecks, at least in my area.
Loren
I assume that you are deliberately exaggerating to make a point here, because by all accounts, the new Challenger will be somewhere around two feet shorter than the newer and relatively smaller Town Car. ;-)
Best Regards,
Shipo
14siera
Challenger Concept car = 78.6 in.
Now that is fairly wide :surprise:
Loren
I'm thinking that a cars' width isn't a real good relative measurement of size. ;-)
Best Regards,
Shipo
I'M NEW ON THE BLOCK HERE,AND I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND MY CAPITALS , I'M NOT YELLING , ONLY TELLING. HOKAHE IS RIGHT,THEY WILL COME. I THINK WHAT CHRYSLER IS DOING ALL AROUND IS PERFECT WITH MILD FLAWS. I LOOK AT CHRYSLER AS AN ICON AND IT HAS BEEN TAKING BACK SEAT TO OTHER CAR COMPANIES FAR TOO LONG.THROUGH THE YEARS THEY HAVE TAKEN THIS BACK SEAT IN THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WITH LITTLE RESPECT FROM THE CONSUMER.WHY ? BECAUSE SOME THINK THEY HAVE INFERIOR PRODUCT TO COMPETE DUE TO FALSE PROPAGANDA AND CONSUMER BASHING. IT GOES WITH WHAT I THINK OF AS MOMENTOM OF A FALSE CLAIM.FORD AND GM GOT AN EARLIER START IN SOME RESPECT BUT THAT DOESN'T ALONG WITH FOREIGN COMPETITION MAKE THEM A BETTER PRODUCT. I KNOW WHAT I OWN AND IT BEEN CHRYSLER. YOU SEE, I'M FOR THE LAST GUY ON THE LINE BECAUSE SOME DAY I BELIEVE THEY WILL BE FIRST WITH ALL RESPECT TO THOSE WHO READ THIS AND YOUR PREFERANCES. CHRYSLER ROCKS!! AND BY THE WAY......SAY WHAT YOU WILL ( IF NEGATIVE),I'LL NEVER CHANGE MY VIEW. THE HEMI LIVES!
-Loren
If nothing else you have to give it to the Ford guys for staying with the program. They were the first to go retro and they have the record for the longest running American sports car in production, 1964 to 2006 without a break.
I think the Corvette has the Mustang beat by more than a decade...and yes, Chevy DID build some '83 model 'Vettes...
If the new Challenger is available only in the $35K version with the Hemi, it will be a new muscle specialty car. If available in more flavors, it is a pony car. The pony car may the drag street car, sporty everyday driver car, race track car, or a muscle car. Mustang is all of these. If you want handling and power Corvette is great choice. If you want a four seater, with lots of HP, the Holden GTO Pontiac does the job just fine.
If we are talking about Challenger only as a muscle car, we may be overlooking a large part of the cars past. And in my opinion, a lighter, narrower car which is lighter is the way to go. Performance with a smaller engine will provide speed with better gas mileage and the car will be around for more years to come. If they do not build with gas into the $3.50 a gallon or more price considerations, they may be creating a modern day dinosaur without really knowing it. Chrysler/Dodge needs a smaller car which is RWD anyway. Build the new Challenger on this new chassis.
As for style, the long hood, and short deck which signifies power and sportiness, this came along years before the pony car. The Stang, Challenger, and Camaro are all similar in respect to overall profile. Best choice will be the car which fits the individuals needs in a car. It may be a V6 or the V8, a 16" wheel or those show car bling-bling 20" wheels for the tuner crowd. In the end, the car which has more to offer in all flavors will be the most successful sales wise.
-Loren
it could carry 5 people the 3 in back were cramped but we reached our destination.-the trunk was ok for short trips and shoppingplus youcould strip exceww off it to bring weight down and remain street legal.take off the plastic and you have nothing to smile at.
Both the Challenger and the Baracuda could be sripped of the grils and bumpers and still be recognized for the car they were. and most parts were interchangable between them as with most of GM, Ford, AMC, and Chrysler,could swap parts within their divisionline products
The modern cars are designed for idiots on cellphones to crash-survive and get another to do it all over again--too bad for the pedestrian they run into, and on top of that there is nothing to rebuild after the crash because they fold like alluminum soda cans.
Where did you hear about using the chassis of a Corvette?
These cars seem too heavy and bulky. I may go with a Mustang, or a Tiburon (current or new Tibi in RWD), or a used Corvette. Don't want a 79" wide car, with a specialty car price, and bling-bling wagon sized wheels.
-Loren
I suppose you could go with the new (for North America) A3, it's only 77.1" wide. ;-)
Best Regards,
Shipo
Speaking strictly for myself, the first thing my eye sees is the "S" line down the side of both the old and new Challenger as opposed to the accent line that goes straight down the side for the Barracuda. My critical comparison stops there. ;-)
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Wasn't the AMX a sports car since it was a two seater? BTW, my favorite pony car was the 340 Cuda. This new Challenger looks more like the Cuda than the Challenger. And that's ok with me.
Will there be a 'Cuda? Can't a Chrysler use that name just as well. I realize Plymouth is gone. There sure were many variations of the Barracuda over time. Ah, the good ol' days.
-Loren
My first new car was an '85 Mustang GT. Loved it! Always wanted another big V8, but, with gas costing what it does, and, let's face it; it's not likely to go down to the old levels, it just seems like a very bad idea to buy a car that gets such poor fuel mileage. I fully expect gas to cost $5/gal within two years.
It's like 1974 all over again, sad to say. :-(
It's all going to depend on the driving style and options (V6?, regular Hemi or SRT-8 6.1; rearend ratio; auto or stick; light or heavy right-foot; how long that foot is on the pedal). But the fuel price is giving me something to think about.
I'm just hoping the dealers hold the line and don't do the stupid ADM like on the PT, or Chevy/Pontiac dealers with the SSR, Monaro/GTO.
Decaf.
I love the idea of recreating somethings that's true to the
1970, also my all time favorite was my 2nd car a 1969 Z28
with the famous M22 Rock Crusher" 4-speed that I bought in 1974. So I can see where some old school are a little put
back by the over the top look of the camaro concept.Back in
the day I would never have owned a Ford Muscle car,but guess
what,the challenger and camaro are still concepts I'm taking
delivery of a 06 Mustang GT 5-spd Black Coupe on Monday. Want to have fun NOW, and there's always 2008 or 2009 to play around with a dodge or chevy.