Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!





Chevy Camaro Concept

2

Comments

  • I will agree with you , they need to come out with it sooner and not be the last one on the block to bring something out. Everyone is talking about price mostly younger people. They probley could not afford the insurance on it anyways,They need to stick to there RICE BURNERS I hope GM does not CHANGE the looks of it, I will be the first one in line to buy one.I have 1997 anniversary Z28 convertible and I love it butwould sell it for the new Camaro!!!!!!!!
  • m382m382 Posts: 35
    I would really watch out who exactly you call out in terms of not being able to afford something. I happen to be 23 years old and own more than one car, two of which being a 04 BMW M3 which last I checked cost just a little more to insure than any Camaro, and the other being an 04 WRX STi. That "ricer", I'm sorry you won't be sticking it to. There are a lot of "ricers" out there that love taking out overzealous people who don't give these cars credit. I'm not one of them, but I also know that there's been no Camaro to date, that could dust an STi. Leave aside aftermarket tuners because just as soon as one side comes out with something the other counters. But straight out of the box there are few cars that are straight up faster than it in acceleration, quarter mile, in and out of turns etc. I got the car because it's own of my all time favorites and you'd be hard pressed to find a better "bang for the buck" performance-wise out there. I'd just be a little more disrete when you single out who can't do what.
  • m382m382 Posts: 35
    I forgot to mention a couple other "ricers" that people my age drive that aren't cheap...350Z, STi, Evo, RX8, RX7....etc. You don't need a "big american V8" for a car to be costly insurance-wise.
  • jpstax1jpstax1 Posts: 197
    Don't feel bad about liking the concept Challenger more than the Camaro. I talked with six Chevy reps at the Chicago Auto Show yesterday, and one of them said the Camaro needs some more design tweaking. That same guy thought the GT500 was the best designed street car in the whole show. I asked him if he thought an SS Camaro might get the LS7, and he said a supercharged LS2 motor is more likely. Unfortunately, the LS7 will only be available for the Z06. He's also heard rumors that a supercharged LS7 might be available next year for an SS version of the Z06.
  • m382m382 Posts: 35
    I don't think there was any suprise to find out that the LS7 motor is going nowhere but in a Z06...that being their flagship car, and now flaghsip engine. However, I really doubt there's going to be an "SS" Version of a Z06...or Corvette at all for that matter. The Corvette doesn't need an SS version. The Z06 is already a street legal version of Corvette's LeMans Compettition car,...I don't know why they'd put more into that. They'r bargaining piece is that the car competes with world class cars, for a fraction and sometimes half the cost. The fact that it's so close to the C6R already, and that they'r keeping cost down....I doubt they'r going to come out with a performance version(SC Z06)....of the performance version (Z06) of a performance car (Corvette). Besides...if just adding a SC is what their going to do...there'd be no reason to come out with that when it would probably cost you less to have it installed on your own and not go through Chevy. You can't always listen to "reps",...a Ford rep told me once before the current Mustang came out that it would be a replica of the first Mach 1.....right on the ball he was.
  • camarosscamaross Posts: 7
    I'm trilled their bringing the Camaro back to life - They should have never dropped it. What they need to do is have a more modern interpretion, with just enough Camaro characteristics to make you know it's a Camaro - Like the 3rd generation vs. the second generation. It shouldn't take the Mustang's or Challenger's approach - No imagination and no appeal to younger buyers, which the Camaro needs to save alive :D
  • I agree. Chevy missed a grand opportunity when Pontiac snagged the Australian Chevy as a Gaudy Tired Operator. That car should have been the Chevelle SS, and the Camaro needs to look like a muscle car. The reason Mustangs are selling is not the performance, man even the 2002 Camaro will blow them away. They're selling because they look like a muscle car. Same with the Dodge. Chevy in the past few years has really crapped things up. I'm reminded of the Vega debacle. First they turn the Nova into a roller skate, then they embarass we who are Monte Carlo fans with this moronic six cylinder driven hunk of Nascar trash, reduce the Impala to a Corolla of sorts, and make a very cool looking Panel imitation with nothing but a four cylinder underpowered Cobalt engine. If they mess with the Vette, I'm gone as a Chevy owner. (I've been one since 1968, by the way). The hottest thing they make nowdays (if you exclude the Vette and the SSR) is their pickup, and the new front end on the pickups (especially the dog ugly colorado) makes me cringe. It hurts me deeply to watch the bowtie turned into a necktie, 'cause the next step is a noose, and I think they are shooting themselves in the foot with the product they're producing. It may be just an opinion, but it's all mine.
  • twanabtwanab Posts: 1
    I only have a few things to say: my father bought an '05 black mustang, put some stripes on it and a set of 20" rims, making it an outstanding muscle car. Probably the best in this city, sure its a v6 but who cares, it looks good. Since then I know I want to do the same, yet I can't get the same make he has and think that I can make a better looking car and I'm not all that into foriegn cars. Then the concept camaro appeared and allowed me to dream. It might not have muscle the mustang has, but I'm pretty sure I have came up w/a design that would put mine beside his. As long as they keep the same ... design? whatever it is, I'm sure I can put 10k into and be proud to drive it. And my opinion is that big wheels are still in, just have to choose the rights one and not the over-rated spokes.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    The 20" wheels may make a Stang a show car, as in bling-bling, but that has nothing to do with muscle car. The V6 is just fine with 16" or even 17". The suspension on a car is designed for use with particular diameter and weight wheels. The GT doesn't work better with 20", though I am sure the tire people like the extra money. Come to think of it, muscle cars would be 15" wheels.

    Yes, the New Camaro looks pretty cool. A bit wide, and I would imagine a bit heavy. I would make a smaller car, which would be lighter, and use the 3.6 V6 out of the CTS for the engine. By the time the New Camaro is released, gas could be $3.50 a gallon or more - who knows? A lighter engine is easier for getting to 50/50 weight distribution. Then they could add the optional V8 for those in need for more HP, at any cost. Something around 325HP or so would do.

    -Loren
  • can someone give me some closer. im seein two styles of the new camaro. which one is comin out. the silver concept dosent appeal to me but the orange one im seein is beautiful.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    I do believe the orange or orange/red one you are referring to was a drawing done by a student of design, and not the concept car. Yes, it looks excellent. The silver one is the GM concept car. It is typical, let's be sure it is aggressive and bulked up, new approach to cars to sell to the SUV / macho image crowd. A drift away from the Pony sporty car, with options to make it a muscle car. These are suppose to be buff, or bad, or whatever. Just looks too big overall to me. Too wide, and less graceful. That said, it is pretty good. A good start. Make this one, or the " orange car " in something smaller and lighter, put a good 250HP engine in it and be sure the MPG hits 30 MPG and it may sell well indeed. Gas in CA. is headed towards $3.50 a gallon in short time. -Loren

    P.S. GM should price this under $21K, with a V8 for $25K
  • then i must kiss chevy good bye. im gonna be goin with the new dodge challenger then. its lookin a whole lot like the original and its a beautiful car. its sad though cause i've only owned chevy's but there disapointing me on this one. it looks nothing like the 69 and its just plane ugly. so if they come out with the silver concept then dodge will be my new car. thanks for the reply.
  • irocmanirocman Posts: 1
    this message is for those who call themselves camaro lovers. i,m die hard camaro/chevy. the new camaro concept is badass. i was quite pissed off when GM announced the death of the camaro/firebird. i was ready to go to GM's headquarters with my '85 IROC and swing donuts on the front lawn of the building. i can't stand mustangs, or any other ford claiming supremacy over the camaro. i don't think so. yeah, it's been a couple of years since camaro talk has really sufaced. but i'm glad they finally brought a thought to the table. no matter what the camaro looks like, as always it will out-perform all mustangs and challengers to come!!!! for those who comment on the color of the concept, GET REAL!!! CONCEPT!!! do you understand the word? if a true fan you'll have no doubt, as i, that the next camaro will make you wet your pants. trust me my money is already in the bank awaiting it's arrival. for those with ponys,5.slows,dodge whatevers,oh yeah and you import guys get used to seeing taillights.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Whoa, too much coffee. Take five! He was talking about two different car concepts, and not the color. The orange car was a concept only on paper. The silver the concept by GM. As for supremacy of Camaro vs. Mustang, the answer is it depends on which car suits one best. True, the Camaro SS was or is ahead of the Mustang in HP. But some found the car to be harder to see out of, or harder to drive in town. The Camaro and Mustang ended up being different in nature, and both fit those particular needs. I like the look of the last Camaro and the first Camaro the best. The show car, if they lower the door window sills a bit and narrow and lighten it, looks fine by me.

    Mustang was the first Pony car, and has outsold Camaro.
    So in that respect it has dominated the scene.

    Beware the first two years of a launch of a new domestic car, as they often have bugs still in the cars.

    The '85 IROC you say! Hey, I was amazed to see the State Troopers in Nevada driving those Camaros years ago. And now CA has a few Camaros too. And they get to drive fast with no tickets. :)

    -Loren
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,227
    "...The Challenger concept packs a 425-hp, 6.1-liter Hemi V-8. It's also 4.7 inches wider and 10.2 inches longer than the 2006 Mustang..."

    While I like the Challenger's styling, its size and weight are unappealing to me. I understand that the Challenger's dimensions were dictated by the business case to use the large Chrysler RWD platform, rather than by a "hey, the Mustang is nice, but it's too small; we've got to make the Challenger bigger and heavier" mentality, but still... I say, that's unfortunate, while understanding that the Challenger's sales volume wouldn't be sufficient to justify a separate platform.

    From what I've read about the Camaro concept, it will be closer to the Challenger's size than the Mustang's, which, incidentally, is already significantly larger and heavier than the original Mustang, or even the slightly larger '67-'68 Mustang (my personal favorite).

    I realize that most enthusiasts aren't as concerned as I am about the size and weight of the new pony cars, but in this day of high fuel costs, wouldn't it make more sense for the equivalent power to weight values to be achieved by keeping the size of the new generation of pony cars similar to the original versions?

    Incidentally, my favorite Camaros, from a styling standpoint, is the '82-'92 generation. The '67s-'70s are also nice, of course.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Exactly! You are so right. They need to make the car slightly smaller than the first generation Camaro, use some aluminum to keep the weight in less than 3,200#, and use an efficient V6 which can give her around 22/30MPG. Also, keep it simple. Have the side air bags standard, and an inexpensive anti-lock brake and traction control for those wanting to add those items. A basic radio and basic air and such, with an option pkg. for those needing a fancier car. Price it around $21K.
    And please - please NO more high rise doors, with shrinking windows. If it is required to make the side impact test results higher, so be it, but please at a certain point enough is enough. The 350Z styling is just out of control.
    -Loren
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,227
    Incidentally, my quote in message #47 regarding the size comparison between Challenger and Mustang is from the Automotive News website.

    I agree with you that high rise doors detract from styling, m1miata.
  • THE CAMARO IS BETTER THAN THE MUSTANG IN JUST ABOUT ALL PLACES RIGHT? BUT WHO HAS MORE HORSES
    THE MUSTANGS SHAPE IS DESENT BUT IT DOESNT BREAK THE WIND ENOUGH?ON A DRAG STRIP WHO WOULD WIN CAMARO OR SHELBY GT 500 U TELL ME.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    First off, welcome to Edmunds.

    Now, turn OFF your Caps Lock. There's no need to shout.

    Second, who knows who is 'better'. The last time I saw any sort of comparison test was several years ago.

    OH, you mean comparing the CONCEPT Camaro to the PRODUCTION Mustang, right?

    "BUT WHO HAS MORE HORSES"

    We will know the answer to that question when the PRODUCTION Camaro hits the market and we can then compare that to what the production Mustang has. Most folks have acknowledged that the 400hp LS2 probably won't be the base V8 (Z28) option but would probably appear in a Camaro SS version. The Z28 would probably get the 5.3l making somewhere around 310 - 320hp.

    "THE MUSTANGS SHAPE IS DESENT BUT IT DOESNT BREAK THE WIND ENOUGH?"

    In all honesty, I don't think either of these cars are some sort of aerodynamic champion. In this segment, styling goes a lot further than aero.

    "ON A DRAG STRIP WHO WOULD WIN CAMARO OR SHELBY GT 500 U TELL ME."

    Who knows? But assuming you are talking about an LS2 equipped Camaro (400hp / 400 ftlbs.) vs. a Shelby GT500 (in excess of 450hp /450 ftlbs.), on paper the Shelby seems to have an advantage. Of course, I've no idea what an LS2 Camaro would weigh (and the GT500 is certainly no lightweight), and who knows which does a better job of getting all the power to the ground.

    Maybe we should just wait until these cars are actually BUILT before guessing who would win....?
  • The camaro concept is a freakingg sexy car IMO and its gonna be pretty quick. and also why doesnt anyone like the huge rims? i think they look good...
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Your local tire store will love those wagon wheels ;)
    I see no need for anything more than 16" wheels, though
    the 17" wheels may be needed for even larger brakes, if
    the car is indeed heavy. 16 or 17 fine, but come on what is
    with all these 18 to 20" wheels? Weight, unsprung weight
    is the enemy here. The car itself should be around 2800#,
    though anything up to 3200# would be awesome with a good sized six. GM should keep the most HP in the Corvette. Those willing to pay the big bucks, should have the top engine HP. A V8 of 305HP would be quick in a lighter car. Handling would be more agile than a Stang. Simple power is only good in a straight line. That is easily beaten the next year by the competition. Pretty easy to just keep adding raw power. Proper suspensions, steering feel, and weight would make the Camaro the true winner over the Stang and Challenger.
    -Loren
  • jonniedeejonniedee Posts: 111
    The Holdon news is sad - these same Aussies ruined the GTO :cry:
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Holden Monaro is not a bad car. Pontiac GTO, it may not be, but I would not blame the Australia division for that. Looks like they make several nice models of cars there. If a car is going to have GTO or Camaro on the name fixed on the body, then it should be American. Time to make a new chassis for a Nova and Camaro compact and a Malibu ( or Monte ) and Impala larger, what they use to call mid-sized car. The largest cars should be the Buick or Caddy. Maybe a Buick or Chevy in a mid-size FWD for all those in snow country. But most of the line should go RWD.

    The Nova / Camaro class could replace the Cobalt. There are more than enough little FWD cars out there.
    -Loren
  • karrkarr Posts: 1
    There is a big reason the new camaro may not do so well. They need to take lessons from dodge and ford, people want the 67-69 muscle car look and will buy. The concept is not close enough to attract these buyers, I and about 15 of my buddies were super excited until we saw the pics. I think i'll go the chrysler or ford route instead.When I see chevys concept it's not even close to what the 40-55 year old buyer bracket want, GET IT RIGHT OR IT WILL FLOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Well I must disagree here. I am over 50 and pretty much like the look of the New Camaro, although it could lose some weight. By that I mean too large of wheels, and too wide, with the all too common too tall doors. But the look IS the original of '67 as far as more basic lines.

    I personally think the New Mustang is too close to being a replicar, as is the Challenger. Keep the original as a collectors car and one to be admired at shows and in museums. But an old one to drive and keep up to preserve the wonderful old car. All those Pony cars were really great looking, with an exception of the first Barracudas, which would be debatable.

    And while I disagree with which is better, I must say the Challenger - all 79" wide of it, and the current New Mustang are great if ya like'em.

    And I may add, by the time Camaro comes out, the New Stang will look much more modern. They should match up well. With high gasoline cost, a modern car, with some aluminum to lower weight and a smaller size overall, with a V6 would be the ticket, IMHO. I lived the era, and must say only a few of the guys had fire breathing cars. Too expensive over all. And not many new cars. It was a different time. Perhaps now, once the Babyboomers have a couple of extra dollars, they can pretend they were one of the few with the big bucks, all so many a year ago. The closest I came was a '65 Mustang 289V8 bought used in say '70. The next car was an Opel Manta Rallye. Inflation was everywhere and gas prices were on the rise. Most popular as I recall was a Z car. Everyone after wanted a Z car in the early to mid-70's. Well, a Z28 Camaro was pretty nice too!!!
    -Loren
  • I took some photos of the Camaro convertible concept.

    Here they are:

    http://www.taxicabs.com/autoshow/chicago2007/Chevy/Camaro/

    Just click the photo of the car to move to the next one. I think about 30 photos or so...

    The car is hot, and the paint job... forget about it, incredible.

    The Chevy Volt looks like the Camaro, here are some snaps:

    http://www.taxicabs.com/autoshow/chicago2007/Chevy/Volt/

    Dave
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Thanks for photos. Both look interesting in a sort of new era way. Too each his or her own, but sleek, low and lean is keen to me. Looks like the New Camaro will be what a Chrysler 300 would have been had it been a sporty coupe.
    All new concept cars must be designed by people from Michelin or other tire companies. ;)

    Both cars look kinda mean and well modern and should sell well. With some tweaking, still think the Solstice Coupe could have also been a Camaro or Firebird. As for gas mileage, I can only assume they will have to lighten the New Camaro with aluminum and/or plastics, and some smaller alloy wheels. Aren't we close to new gasoline standards, and now have $3.40 a gallon gas. What happens in a couple of years? While it is good to see the name back, I hope that the engine, transmission and weight allow the car to be around over some years to come once introduced. Looks like a car some people are gonna really like.
  • mjt7712mjt7712 Posts: 1
    I disagree with what you say Karr. The new Camaro does have the flair of the 67-69. Of course it is not an exact match, but why should it? It has an obvious likeness with a new modern look attached. The fact that they put gauges on the console shows an effort was made to keep it a camaro similar to the first generation inside and out. I believe the Camaro will sell strong if it is the same as the concept look and what is says it will have power wise. If you want a 69 Camaro, then buy that. For 30K you can get a nice one or reportedly a new 2009 Camaro with the bells and whistles for the same. And not to burst your bubble but I dont think GM is going for the 40-55 year old bracket as much as the 27-35 year olds as has been reported. This is a chance for a new generation who missed out on riding in the 67-69 years and just saw them under a tarp or at a show. I cant wait to get one of my own. I think in 40 years I'll be talking about my 2009 Camaro the way that you may be now. It is going to be a younger generation that determines whether its a flop or not and for now...they love it.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    So what about the last gen. Camaro? Was it not a really fine looking auto? Thought about buying a Z28 or even the 3.8 which is not too bad at 200HP, as a second car. Wish I had a three car garage. If I don't end up with another Miata or other smaller sports car, I am thinking Pony car or a Vette may make a nice second car for sporting around in. That said, most older sports cars are really not going to best the handling and overall performance of my Accord V6. But for looks, and that feel of being closer to the ground - sensation of speed, sports cars rule.

    While the door sill height is always going to be a bit higher in a sports car, other than Miatas, I am thinking just from the photos that the New Camaro is overdoing the chop top theme, and will look blocky. It is like there becomes too much nearly flat surface area on the sides of these new cars, with the smallish windows and lower top, it has that look to it more like it was a chop-top Mercury. A Pony car to me should allow for an occasional elbow out, as slow cruising along the shore line just feels - well is better that way. I realize today most people drive with windows up and air on, as I really do most of the time. But by gosh, a Pony car, like a sports car should have its traditional cruising too. If they insist of high doors, then how about a angle cut, like the Celica and a Corvette has to take some of the bulk away, give you some view of the asphalt racing by, and maybe even get an elbow out, if lucky.

    One final question. How many people prefer to see some hood up front? Seems like the last generation of Camaro was one of the first to have a totally disappearing front hood from view. Now, my Honda Accord seems to have nothing beyond the wipers, unless I was to move that seat pretty darn high up. Maybe that was part of the success of the Stang? Don't get me wrong, the last generation Camaro is a thing of beauty. A third generation Camaro has hood showing, but I was leery of the build quality. Wonder if many can be found in excellent condition?

    Loren
  • I have always been a camaro/firebird lover. I just think that in the case of the new designs; the designers at Chrysler/Ford did a better job of capturing the lines of the original cars. I mean look at each one next to original design. There's just very little link to the muscle car we all know and love of the late 60's.

    -Jim
2
This discussion has been closed.