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I am so happy with this car, it was worth the train ride to Philadelphia.
What about just the power pkg in NY area? If I can get the liftback w/o abs but WITH power, I would go for it, but I am finding that the problem is nowhere has the car, only w/o power.
Where in PA did you go? I was thinking about heading down to the Phila area. The problem is that dealers will tell you that they have the car and when you get there they want to sell you the sedan. I went to 3 so far, all of which I would have to order the features I want with a 3 month wait. My current car might not wait that long, any further advice? I am willing to travel outside of tri state area. Thanks in advance.
For whatever reason, our region is not getting the liftback with the power package. I wasn't comfortable in the Scion XA so I wouldn't have purchased one. If they're trying not to compete with the XA, they're doing something stupid. I nearly purchased a Honda Fit because I couldn't find a decently equipped Yaris Liftback.
I hope I'm not violating forum rules by including a link to Central City Toyota in Philadelphia: http://www.centralcitytoyota.com
I found them by checking the inventory of PA dealers online (those that would let me). My search showed Central City had one like I wanted. When I called them, they told me it was already sold but they had one just like it in port. I left a deposit over the phone and they called me when it arrived at the dealership (about two weeks). I took a train to 30th Street Station in Philly and the salesman picked me up. They were straight up and did everything they agreed to.
I don't see one listed on their site now, but it probably wouldn’t hurt to give them a call. You might try searching inventories of other PA dealers.
As far as dealers telling you they have one when they don't - I'd get a VIN # from them first.
Good luck!
Thanks, you gave me great information. I called that dealer - he said they HAD one, just sold. Said they will be getting more in, def with the power. He took my number, hopefully he'll call. Definitely making the trip - willing to pay MSRP. The guy in Staten Island, NY quoted me about $15,000 to order it (with power & abs). I thought that was way high, especially to have to wait 3 months. Crazy to even consider buying this car without ever driving it. Guess I'll just take your word for it. Thanks again, D
Wednesday I am having aftermarket tweeters installed at a local stereo shop. Had all my windows tinted DARK. Only got 27.3 MPG in city driving on my 1st tank but not sure if my dealer topped off my tank like I did?
Mike
I also got 27 mpg on my first fillup. Big dissapointment. I dont th ink the dealer topped off the tank either but, it didnt matter because i averaged the total gallons put in (it was 10) to the total number of miles driven. Im hopeing for big improvements. Im in NYC so do only city driving as well and we have ethanol. IM still wondering if that makes a big enough difference. Good to see someone else with similiar numbers though. Seeing everyone getting 35 and higher city is really makeing me anxious.
Good luck with y our car and cograts on getting an awesome deal (i paid full MSRP - 13,7 without alarm!) !
I am now considering the yaris, after seriously considering the chevy aveo and the scion xA (still on my list!) but i am wondering about the acceleration. don,t get me wrong, i don't expect something like a caddy sts or a dodge viper here... but i dont wanna be scared on the highway if i need to pass! how are you guys finding the driving on highways in your yaris? i dont really like to speed, i follow the 70 limit unless passing. i am not concerned about city driving, i am confident it is just perfect!! and i have to say, even though i am still to see one " in person" the yaris has to be the cutest little car on the market right now!! i love the audi TT and the yaris reminds me of it with all the round curves. blue bayou would be my pick! anyone got it in that kinda kaki green?
So, you are on to something there... Check out the second tank, and let us know..
regards,
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I sure hate to think about paying MSRP, but I don't know whether I'll have any other choice if I want my Yaris the way I want it.
I'm very happy with my purchase. The sales guys over at La Cresenta were awesome. They showed and described to me every little detail the Yaris has. And gas mileage is amazing. So far I have yet seen another Yaris Liftback on the road. XD
I will add that I thought I would be remiss if I failed to at least drive a Honda Fit before ordering the Yaris. So, a few days ago I stopped by the Honda dealer right next door to the Toyota dealer. A salesman told me they didn't have a Fit in stock, but he would call me when one came in. Yesterday afternoon he called me and said they had just received a Fit that was not yet spoken for. He said they would be closing in a half hour, so asked whether I would like to come in the next morning to check it out. I said OK. This morning I called him to let him know I was coming over and he told me it was already sold. After hanging up I called the other Honda dealer in Toledo to see whether they had one. The salesman said no, and that they would not have another for the rest of the year. That seems really strange to me, but whatever. I hope I get my Yaris.
Later!
Now, could you get a Corolla LE with all that stuff (except the spoiler and 9 speakers) for $14K right now? No sweat.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
I'll let you all know how it goes tomorrow.
I love my lift! I have yet to see another one on the road. (I bought mine May 19th and paid MRSP) I would have liked to have had all the power package stuff, but it is just fine how it is. I don’t even notice when I’m cruising. I’m working on mile 4200
But im very happy with my little white baby. :)I think finding a l/b (in stock) is all about luck for the time being...
ps. that blazing blue car was sold that same night by a girl who came in for the white after i already agreed to buy it. lol
I have yet to see another on the road myself, and I live just outside of Detroit where there's a gazillion cars on the road!
I do want to add some extras eventually - I'd like to get chrome rims for sure, maybe tint the windows.. I've been driving a "mom minivan" for four years and I'm ready for something cute and fun! LOL
How's the auto trans on it? I got a stick because I thought it might give me a little more "oomph" during acceleration.
I've been pricing Yaris too but they keep steering me away from it. There are 2 liftbacks on the lot, a white and silver w/ convenience pkg, Toyoguard and mats. This car is really cute and different although I don't like the center IP. I need auto - I hate driving manual.I'm looking at $13,900 and putting $8000 down.
I'm torn between being practical w/0% and driving something CUTE. Any advice? I drive a 2000 Civic now and am giving it to my teenage daughter. Can't even find a FIT in the area to check out...
Did you drive the Yaris? My wife and I both had concerns about the center IP. But, after driving it I said, "I would have no problem getting used to it." My wife said, "I think I like it better."
Pick the car that works best for "you."
I drove the sedan, but not the liftback. It reminded me a lot of my Civic.
I think the Yaris might be a little easier to get down here because there are so many elderly and wealthy people who buy big luxury cars.
As far as the center IP, I have to look at the rear view mirror in the center anyway - so what's the difference?
About 17".
Just kidding, I think that is an EXCELLENT point! I hadn't thought of that.
Final price seemed OK at $14K - I was planning on it being less but when I got to the dealership they had tacked on the Toyoguard package, stripes, door guards, mats and some chrome stuff that I wouldn't have wanted. They came down a couple hundred. I didn't have time to order one so I took it with the extra stuff.
Needless to say the woman who was working with me on the Corolla pricing the other night was very disappointed when I told her I bought from another dealer.
It's very comfortable, smooth and fairly quiet. The inside is really cute too, and I like the speedometer better than the one on the sedan.
This is by far the cutest car I've ever owned. Someone was already checking it out at the grocery store parking lot.
Hey Toyota! Are you listening Toyota? Wake up before you lose your market share.
All these garbage and no side airbags? I guess people are so stupid nowadays that they can do without side airbags but not pin stripes, door guards , mats and whatever the heck Toyoguard is. Outstanding market research to all the people in Toyota.
As for the add-ons - that sounds like a scam, but what can ya do? My dealership didn't do that, thank goodness.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Too bad they had to make the car so darn cute!
Again, I was in the same position. I liked the car, needed a car right away, needed cheap car, and was told they don't get many.
It really is an adorable car! I love it so far.
When you search the toyota.com website for the southeast region, it list over 800 Yaris that are available for delivery to the dealer within 1 day. What's up with that? Why won't Toyota just put them on the lots? I think it's a scheme to force the buyer to settle on the 'one' that comes in and to lead them to believe they are in such demand you have to settle for whatever you can get. I emailed the VP of sales of toyota last week about this, he didn't reply. Ha..
Both our local Nissan dealer and Honda dealer have several of the Versa and Fit in stock. Hum...
Ideas?
Mike
No one wants the "extras" dealers put on these cars (my store doesn't btw), but remember, it's the vehicles we CAN'T sell for MSRP that make us greedy on the cars we can. If you don't want to pay MSRP or for any extras, wait for pete's sake. Or if you want a Tundra... I can practically give one away haha...
But that's my point, no one WANTS a thirsty V8 right now, so we are forced into deep discounts. I'm not here looking for any pity, just making the observation that consumers drive prices down on us just as fast as we drive them up. People do WANT cheap fuel efficient cars. As far as I am concerned, if the demand is there, why not mark them up as much as people are willing to pay? Why is that any more of a crime than the Tundra I had to sell at invoice because of LACK of demand yesterday?
People often forget that THEY are the ones that set pricing on vehicles anymore. Everyone has information on invoices and holdbacks and factory to dealer incentives. If we have to give something away, we will, if it's a hot product (can anyone say Prius?), we want to make as much as humanly possible (we are a business last I checked lol)...
I know everyone is pre-disposed to hate the "car business", but most of us are honest, hard-working folk who love our cars (especially Toyota's).
Anyways, flame away, but I thought I'd drop in my 2c.
Looking forward to my l/b very much.
T
j/k
Even on these little cars, I think there's a decent amount of profit for the dealer built in at MSRP. So I think it's a bit much to jack the prices way up over sticker, but you are right of course: car sales are a business, and businesses charge what the market will bear.
The car biz is screwy - everyone is getting jacked by SOMEONE, even the dealers who have to put up with the whims of the manufacturer and the distributorship.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
It's all about supply and demand. Like you said, nobody wants to buy an SUV anymore because not only is it like throwing money down the drain (or rather, at the Saudis and Exxon/Mobil execs), people who drive SUVs look stupid and inconsiderate of the environment.
I bought my Yaris l/b a few weeks ago, and I LOVE it! I didn't pay that much over MSRP, and my dealer didn't tack on any "extras" that I didn't want (though they did try to sell me overpriced fabric protection, etc.. but ALL dealers do that) and I didn't feel like I got ripped off.
Plus, I've gone over 200 miles and my gas gauge still reads 1/2 tank! Gotta love that. So yeah, maybe the dealer made some money on my deal, but so what, I'll get it back in gas savings in no time.
And I agree w/what you said about domestic cars; I had a Plymouth Horizon back in the 80s that I literally abandoned on the side of the road because it was such a piece of crap, and later (because I still hadn't learned my lesson) owned a nightmare called a Chevy Chevette. I'll never drive a domestic :lemon: again. Ever. Again.
Peace out
Run, don't walk, from dealers who do this. And, never fall in love with a car on a sales lot. Once you do this, they've got you, and you will pay whatever they ask.
U did good. I paid the same, for the same car, that was on the lot (just the night before, it would have been gone the next morning). I frickin love it. Good luck to U. :shades:
Just for the record (I had a customer leave over it the other day lol), even MANAGERS at most dealerships pay the Documentary fee ("doc" or "d&h" or "dealer prep"). It is $369.00 at my dealership, and while I know it varies, it certainly doesn't bother me.
Sure, I COULD have waited a year or longer and probably saved a few bucks (Prius people keep telling themselves that, and yet 5 years later we STILL get over sticker even on employees haha...), but I wanted it NOW.
Hot stocks get more $$$, property does too, so does just about everything negotiable in the world.
If you are going to whine, just WAIT lol... No one puts a gun to your head and forces you to buy this "toyoguard" I hear about (I wouldn't pay for it either btw), but when push comes to shove, you DO, and that's why dealers keep charging it. Not because they want to rip you off anymore than anyone else in a business does, but because the demand allows them to.
Being ripped off would be BELIEVING toyoguard was worth it, then finding out later you got overcharged.
Paying for it because you can't wait, isn't.
Try offering invoice on some beachfront property in California...
TMF/toyota marketing fees 200.00
TAF/toyota advertising fees 295.00
PIO/HB 4.00
BASE-VEH-HB 283.00
Finance Reserve $141
I have researched and first 3 should be ok although high for Toyota since they have middlemen. The last 2 I have issues with; I believe the 2nd to last is holdback which the dealership will get once the car is sold to me so why am I paying for it? And the last thing, 'finance reserve', is a term used to confuse buyers and basically is dealership assistance, or helping them pay interest/overhead for having the car on the lot over certain periods of time, but mine's coming straight from Japan so it does'nt apply. I was also told TMF is national and TAF is local.
Oddly enough, my price sheet is the invoice version, not msrp, and their invoice is about 330 below what edmunds lists.. but he also said msrp includes all these fees, you just don't see them.. but if he's adding them to invoice then I'm not really paying invoice right? Please advise. I have left a $500 refundable deposit, but regardless I probably will want the car anyway.. also oddly enough I have calculated over and over and it seems like I'm saving about $900 on the total by paying invoice instead of MSRP, which is eerily almost the difference between MSRP and invoice in the first place (when comparing base model prices, no options added). So where did the fees go? Am I missing something? Thanks!!!!!! :confuse:
The truth about holdback/reserve (keep in mind I have no financial gain involved here and you are a fellow Yariser hehe), is really not what people like to hear. Yes, in a way, it is additional dealer profit.
The simplest explaination is that holdback/reserve is a way for dealers to recoup the financing loss they take after having a vehicle sit on our lot for months unsold. Luckily we at Toyota rarely have that problem (granted I have a Land Cruiser about to celebrate a birthday ).
While it's true that your vehicle will cost the dealership nothing in relation to holdback/reserve, you have to remember the big picture. A dealers "floorplan" (or the total amount they are loaned from the bank to purchase every car) involves EVERY car on their lot, so basically, the holdback on your Yaris is for that Land Cruiser that's already been there a year and has long since eaten away it's 2% holdback. It comes out a wash for us more or less.
Believe me, you'd be denying the dealer a much bigger profit elsewhere (SERVICE is the cash cow of any dealer, even Toyota and Honda... does anyone negotiate their service bill? I do ).
Now some dealers don't floorplan anything. Is holdback then just additional pure profit? Yup. Do you still have to pay it? Depends on what vehicle and when, but usually, Yup.
In the end, and in reality, we dealers really don't profit much in sales (we don't do bad either, certainly not looking for any tears lol). As said before, the money's really made in service and to a lesser extent finance (you seem to be getting a killer rate though, so don't worry).
The marketing fees actually come from Toyota and are a regional thing. We have a dealer advertising fee on our invoices as well.
Do I want to pay it? No. Do I want to pay a lot of things? No. Do I? Yup :P
You are getting dollar for dollar the best car on the market... I could get anything I want, and it's what I'm getting (My colleagues are sick of my excitement already haha)
T