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There was no trade-in to make the deal more complicated.
The problems I have had is a small transmission leak that is easily fixed, back window condensation during clear cold winter nights and a bit of noise during turning manuevers that most likely means the tie rods need to be replaced.
I think you will be happy with it coming from a GM vehicle. I do recommend the Hemi if you do a lot of highway driving. The Chrysler 3.5L is much better than the GM 3.8L but not as refined as Toyotas or even GM's 3.6L.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0808_nissan_maxima_vs_pontiac_g8/- index.html
which car would you chose?
On one hand I really like the way the G8 GT drives and its styling looks pretty sharp for a sports sedan but the interior is a turn off. The gauges, dashes, center console and center stack aren't too shabby but the rest of the detail like headliner and door panels are pretty poorly made. Not having full power seats for both the driver and passenger is a negative in my book as well.
On the other hand I am sure the Maxima has a much better interior in terms of quality but given its FWD setup I am sure it wouldn't handle as well as the G8 even without a test drive. Not a big fan of the exterior styling either...
The answer to the question is: Neither.
09 Genesis Review
No Doubt About It!
I guess you're basing your opinion on the fact that it's a Hyundai, right?
I thought Hyundai did a good job when it came to the Azera in terms of creating a car with appeal and overall quality. The Genesis literally blows the Azera away. I'm sorry...seeing the Genesis online or from a distance on a rotating stand does it no justice. I have to agree with the writer of that write-up I posted the link for...by far, Hyundai has hit a home-run with the Genesis.
Personally, I feel the Genesis combines the best attributes of the G8 and the Maxima. Would the Genesis be as athletic as the G8...not quite, but close. However, the Genesis would provide a more refined interior than the new Maxima and that's saying a lot considering the new Max is quite Infiniti-ish on the inside. I think if one were on the fence between a G8 or a Maxima...the Genesis would be the perfect combination of the two. Just my two cents.
Whoa, I don't think I deserve to be asked that question, and I won't even honor it with a response.
The M45 has more substantial chrome brightwork with a prominent badge:
Honestly, the option they DIDN'T choose would make a lot of difference in Hyundai's favor, even though it looks MUCH like an LS460.
Here's the car we get.
Motor Trend had this to say about the grill options:
The options are these: the v-shaped horizontal-bar design, which looks very much like a South Korean-market's grille, or the more Lexus-like grille with the prominent Hyundai badge. Or neither. I vote for neither. The big-badged grille looks too anonymous; the other grille stands out for all the wrong reasons.
Have you seen the 3 different grille options that were floating around? The one that actually made it to the car is the best of the 3. It has a very Benz-like look with enough difference to not be a Benz grille.
However, while a grille can accent a vehicle, it does not a luxury car make. Regardless of which grille is on the car...it is in fact a luxury sedan. However, for everything the Genesis has to offer and as strong a statment it has made for it's position, there will always be detractors looking for even the slightest thing to fault the car or company for. I guess that's what happens when a car makes as big a splash as the Genesis has made thus far.
Funny you post the Azera grille. Have you seen the same Azera grille without the "H"...looks so much better. I will actually be removing my factory grille and going with a custom one without a manufacturer's mark as well.
By the way...have you actually SEEN the Genesis in person???
Is this the one you would rather see???
Stacked up to the others...you mean to tell me that THIS doesn't have a luxury look???
any less than this...
Also, I am too not a fan of the waterfall grille design.
The problem is that the US Genesis doesn't even have a badge above the grille on the hood! As matter of fact, if the 2nd half of the car is covered off no one would know this is a Hyundai!!
The answer to your question is YES, well, at least for the Merc and Jag...
Simply stated, the lack of the badging, on that style of grille, leaves me with a "cheap" feeling. You don't have to agree with it; it just lacks an upscale look to me. A nice H emblem would do wonders for the otherwise anonymous design.
I will try to grab some real-life photo of the Genesis sedan.
Here is a media photo in the mean time.
In my opinion, the H made the Genesis grille look like a oversized Sonata. I am glad Hyundai USA went with the right grille choice
So...the people that debadge their cars, are they less proud of them? Be careful with that answer because I've seen plenty of MB's rolling around my area with all the emblems removed. I've seen plenty of luxury vehicles with custome aftermarket grilles (with no emblem). Most of the time, when you get a good look at a car it's usually from behind because you're stuck in traffic. That being said, Hyundai positioned their "H" on the trunk.
Is the waterfall grille the best grille Hyundai could have come up with...probably not. Personally, I think a nice chrome mesh grille would have been slick (made from the same mesh that Jaguar uses for theirs). However, of the 3 grilles that were out there for the Genesis...it truly is the best looking option.
Thank you for providing me with a good laugh this morning. I mean to think...Hyundai not being proud of the, hands down, best car they have ever produced (and they know it). They're so NOT proud of it, they went and shopped the best sound system they could find for it (Lexicon). They're so NOT proud of it, they went and found two top notch transmissions (Aisin & ZF) to put in them. Come on man, I know you really don't believe that statement you made.
I can accept the fact that you simply just don't care for the grille. In which case, leave it at that, but don't put it on the maker, claiming they're not proud of their own product so they left their mark off the front of it, they have the "H" on the wheels and the steering wheel as well. How many places does the emblem really have to go??? The sad thing is...the car makers get us as consumers every day and we don't even know it. WE...are rolling advertisement for the makers and we don't even get paid for it. As a matter of fact, we PAY for the priviledge of advertising for them (funny...they pay huge amounts for their products to be seen in movies and tv shows). We, the consumers, are getting pimped by the auto makers every single day. We go to them only to purchase a liability (it certainly is no investment) that takes money out of your pocket every day that you own it, gets you back a percentage of it if you decide to trade or sell it and yet...the auto maker makes more money because of it.
Sorry...I'm done ranting now.
What's wrong for the Genesis being an oversized Sonata? If Hyundai is proud of its name and products then there is nothing wrong having the family resemblance...
S-class looks like an oversized C-class
LS looks like an oversized IS
A8 looks like an oversized A4
Camry looks like an oversized Corolla
I don't see anything wrong with that. As matter of fact, if Hyundai is trying to build "heritage" here then family resemblance is an important way to get it there.
Say whatever you want but I am sticking with my opinion.
Don't want to bring up the "seperate luxury brand/dealer network" debate again but that's a nice to solve this problem...
I can understand if the Genesis were quirky in design like their past vehicles used to be. I can understand if Hyundai tried to bring a luxury car to market made of bottom end materials.
Like I said, I can respect your opinion if it were simply the fact that you just didn't like it. Heck, we can't like everything out there. If Hyundai were not totally proud of their Genesis, they wouldn't be putting themselves behind it unlike the way they did the Azera.
It's hard to say that Hyundai wasn't capable of producing a car of the Genesis' stature, go back and look at their concept car, the HCD7. Even though it was a concept car, it was actually a car that COULD have been put into production and been a hit.
As far as the seperate dealer network goes, one can't deny what the Genesis brings to the table. As much as you want to fight it, it must be conceded...a luxury car from a non-luxury brand. Like I said a few months ago, Hyundai is breaking the mold of what an auto-maker is supposed to be.
Genesis grille that never made it:
2009 Sonata grille:
2009 Genesis current grille:
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I would urge any interested in the 300C, M35, Maxima, G8, E-Class or even a GS...go drive a Genesis. Trust me, getting in it, pushing the start button, putting it into gear and hitting the gas will quickly make you forget all about whether or not you like the waterfall grille. The seats...think of your favorite easy chair and how you sink in and feel comfortable. Well...the seats in the Genesis are that comfortable, without the sinking in part. They support you as well as pamper you with the thick, supple leather they used. The dash...very, very high quality feel to it....comparable to the likes of Lexus, Infinity & Benz. Only difference, they don't use real wood trim, but the faux wood looks nice. I tested a midnight blue with tan interior and the dash had a charcoal leather, but the wood trim was an ebony faux wood...SWEET!!! I like the fact they went with the black carpet with the tan seats.
Let me put it like this...we can go back and forth about which car is faster 0-60, which can pull higher G's on a skidpad, which can pull through a slalom the fastest, but...for every day driving that most of us do, you can't deny the quality of ride this car gives you. If you look at it from a perspective of how you actually drive (and now how a magazine would run a car through it's paces)...you would fall in love with the Genesis.
Okay, so it doesn't have power pedals, but with the power adjustable steering wheel/column (up, down & telescope) and all the adjustments the seat offers...you really don't need them. The biggest omission I can see is the lack of power folding mirrors...that's it.
People will gladly plop down 40 grand for those other makes, but a Hyundai? Tough sell, regardless of how good the car actually is.
It really wouldn't matter too much, I don't think. If a prospective shopper is passing on the car, it would not make that much of a difference if a loaded Genesis was in the lows 30s, say.
And too bad for them, since the Genesis is one well-crafted product. I, for one, think the US Genesis V6 and V8, ranged from 33K-42K MSRP (w/ delivery and shipping) are very very competitive. There have not been many faults I've came across with the car so far, neither have other perspective shoppers, owners, and professionals in the industry. Everything is pointing in the right direction for the Genesis, including previous weak spots from the company that makes this car - for example, the predicted residual value is something like 66% after two years and 50% after 3 - amazing figures; or the fact its suspension is actually one of the strengths, this coming from a company known for making softer rides. Bottom line, this is just a damn good car, with or without the price factor; of course, the price just makes the deal that much sweeter.
I am actually in the process of doing my research and drives for my next car, all of the luxury-branded cars similarly priced in the range of the Genesis are out, either too small (3er/G35) or their drivetrain (ES, MKS), G8 and GS are also out. It's really coming down to a battle of the luxury mid-to-large sedans (i.e. 5er, M, Genesis, E-Class). A test drive or two on the Genesis will certainly help with the process.
I'm telling you...internet pics do nothing for the car. Seeing it in person makes you want to climb inside. The layout of the car makes you want to see what it's all about. Driving it...well, you quickly forget that it's a Hyundai, that much I can guarantee. If you didn't have the circled "H" staring you in the face (steering wheel center), it would be very easy to forget that fact!!!
In our current financial state, one isn't simply going to just plop down $40K. They are going to want a whole lot for that money and I hate to say it, but there isn't another large sedan that can give you what the Genesis gives you for the price. There might be a couple that come within a few thousand $$$, but you would have to look at the trade-offs.
I also hate to point out...the 3-Series, ES, IS, G-35, C-Class or CTS don't even compare to the Genesis. First of all, none have the interior space to match the Genesis. Like I said before, the Genesis would compare better to the M35/45, 300C, G8, GS, 5-Series & E-Class...trust me. Until you've gone to actually sit in it and drive it, you won't understand.
Now...there is always talk about how one automaker copies something from another automaker and it just so happened that the Max was at a stop light next to a Honda Civic coupe...the pics below give an idea of how similar they are from the back, but of course, the Max has more rounded rear quarter panels. If you were to see them both from directly behind, they would be hard to tell apart from a distance.
I think the Honda looks better.............
Sure would be simpler if everyone thought the same.......
BUT BORING :=)
I know every car in this class does offer leather seats. Most are not perforated. I've never owned anything but cloth upholstery. So, my question: Does your back get sweaty in the summertime on these seats?
My back does not get sweaty in my 2007 Hyundai Azera even when the outside temperature is near or over 100 F and I have black leather seats.
BTW you can get both heated and cooled front seats for the Buick Lucerne on all but the CX base model.
Well.... yes and no. The cooled seats are available only on the Limited. So if comparing to the XL it would add about $8000. Comparing to a loaded XLS about $1500. However, you gain keyless start, sunshade, signal mirrors and some other things as well.
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Do the rest of you find the lack of perforations and/or seat coolers a problem? Do you miss them, or wish you had them?
However, after test driving the Genesis (which has the perforated leather), they felt much more comfortable. I didn't use the cooling feature (which is available) and I felt like I was riding on cloth seats. So even if you don't go for the cooled seat option, the perforated leather makes a difference in my opinion.