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The drivers of really good sport sedans aren't really rude, callous oafs. They just seem that way because their cars are so much quicker and more responsive than most of what's on the road.
They accelerate faster, brake later and turn more sharply than lesser vehicles.
It's like walking alongside a much taller person. They don't mean to leave you gasping for breath; they just cover more ground faster than you do.
That's not to say some BMW drivers aren't arrogant twits, but so are some of the people who drive vastly inferior brands, like ... No, I've made enough enemies for one morning.
The virtually all-new 2008 CTS is a terrific car, an excellent successor to the very good first-generation CTS that re-established Cadillac as a luxury brand to be reckoned with.
The 2008 CTS is better looking and much more luxurious and technically sophisticated than the car it replaces, able to stand alongside the BMW 3-series as the world's best sports sedan. In addition to the 3-series, the CTS's prime competition includes the Audi A4, Infiniti G35, Lexus GS 300 and Mercedes-Benz C-class.
We're talking real money here, but the CTS is a bargain in its class. According to Edmunds.com, comparable all-wheel drive models – the BMW 335xi, Infiniti M35X and Lexus GS350 AWD – run from $4,100 to $9,800 more than the CTS.
Only the Audi A4 Quattro, which will be replaced by a new model next year, came in with a lower sticker price, checking in at $450 less than a comparably equipped CTS.
Add advanced features like a hard drive to store music and navigation information and the best real-time traffic information system of any car I've tested, and the CTS is second to none in the speedy world of sports sedans.
He's actually Bob Lutz, but don't say anything. :P
-Rocky
Bottom Line is the 2008 Cadillac CTS is the best ELLPS ever made to date. I'd prefer the stick version though. :shades:
Lemko, are you going to give one a test pal ?
-Rocky
I drove across the road through the Toyo lot. They had lots of tundras. The one of several salesman waved at me as I drove by the front of the building like a near downtown Dayton street lady trying to lure me in, but I resisted. He probably hoped for a laydown deal so he could retail my beautiful crimson LeSabre and make a double profit.
The Tundras did NOT have contractor boxes on them. Most of the Tundras I've seen on the road are driven by women or men who look like insurance salesmen or office workers.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
As far as those Tundra's go I still haven't warmed up to their styling. I saw on the news last night Toyota, Lexus, Nissan, Infiniti, each had recalls.
-Rocky
-Rocky
P.S. I asked you a question a couple days ago in the Report your local gas prices forum.
600 hp. CTS-V ???? :shades:
-Rocky
Source appears to be:
TOWERING SUCCESS: Cadillac CTS rises above other sports sedans with its luxury and technical sophistication
September 27, 2007
BY MARK PHELAN
FREE PRESS COLUMNIST
The highest compliment I can pay the 2008 Cadillac CTS is that five minutes behind the wheel turned me into as big a jerk as when I test a new BMW.......
-Rocky
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Sometimes a certain sequence of presses to the button will shut of the stability and traction control sometimes now. Volvo did that on their "R" models. If you pressed the DTSC button a certain number of times in so many seconds it would completely shut off the system.
If I floor one of our rovers from a dead stop going into a turn I might activate the traction/stability control but probably not. The cars are just to heavy and with the AWD it is hard to break traction.
I can't shut off stability or traction control in the rovers either because those systems tie into the Active Roll Mitigation and Roll Stability Control. Plus the stability control in those vehicles is adjustable depending on the road surface using terrain response and terrain sensing software.
From the moment he returned from testing an early example of the 2008 Cadillac CTS at the Nürburgring's Nordschleife racetrack in Germany, our Dan Edmunds couldn't stop talking about his experience. "This thing is fun," he said. "The CTS lives up to everything you expect from a car developed at the Nürburgring." He was so enthusiastic, we wondered if he had spent too much time conducting field research into the Vorläufiges Deutsches Biergesetz (provisional German beer law) to properly judge the new CTS's attributes.
The CTS's new interior treatment has a visual warmth, and interiors from BMW and Mercedes seem cold and austere in comparison, while a Lexus seems antiseptic. The Cadillac's all-new front seats are reasonably comfortable, but some of us begged for more thigh support.
Standard for the World
This is the best Cadillac in 40 years. Sure, the direct-injection V6 is only adequate, but it's a great start. Even with the firmest FE-3 suspension package, the CTS proves GM knows how to walk the line between a compliant ride and ultimate handling.
The exterior styling may only be an evolution of the original CTS, but it's far more successful. It has a bolder stance and chic presence the previous car never did, even in CTS-V form. Meanwhile, the interior and mind-blowing infotainment system remind us of the time when Cadillac was called "The Standard of the World."
There's a flip side to the affirmation. The curse is that now that we've seen and experienced the exceptional 2008 Cadillac CTS, there can be no more excuses for mediocre vehicles from GM.
OK, General Motors, you've proved it once. Now the biggest challenge will be to do it again and again. That's how reputations are made.
Not in a 2-ton car, unfortunately. :sick:
Perhaps they had a couple tons of cement bags in the trunk so the number wouldn't approach the foreign cars they bias.
-Rocky
Man, and I thought my 3500 lbs car with 300+HP is heavy...
Nevertheless, the interior is awesome though.
If I am not mistaken, the 5-series is also bigger.
535 with the 3.5 Liter/auto is 3700#. 300 hp
335 with the 3.5 Liter/auto is 3605#.
The comparable 3.6L/auto is 3872#. 300 hp
Size wize:BMW5.........CTS..........BMW3
Length...191.1.........191.6........178.2
width....72.7..........72.5.........71.5
height...57.8..........58...........55.9
So the CTS is as large outside as a 5 series with a 172# differential. For the $20k cost difference GM gives up some lightweight alumium materials perhaps.
Easier to do w/ a stick.
a Cadillac is not a NEED car either.
It is a WANT car, and want cars are the ones with the speed and the toys.
That is why people want them.
That is why I like the new Caddy commerical,about the car turing you on.
People who buy want cars want those car to elicit a response,they want to be "turned on" by their car.
Otherwise, they'd drive a Camry.
Probably few. But the comment was the CTS weighs so much more than a 3er but it is actually the size of a 5.
OK, both at 300 hp. The L6 is more efficient.
Why is it called a 535 series or 528?
535i has a twin-turbo version of the 3.0 I6, thus the nomenclature.
535i has a twin-turbo version of the 3.0 I6, thus the nomenclature
Sorry, I do not get it. What does the 28 mean? 35 mean? I know they are different versions of the 3 liter.
Perhaps it is worth noting that Mercedes model names include a number to refer to the engine, but one should not conclude that the engine's size is used. The current AMG models with 63 in them really have a 6.2 liter engine.
Cadillac's three letter names do not make a whole lot of sense either; CTS (Catera touring sedan), STS (Seville touring sedan), SRX (Seville utility vehicle :surprise: ), DTS (DeVille luxury sedan - not a sports sedan for sure).
I'll bet that most people who drive a new x25i, x28i and x35i have no idea that there is actually a 3.0L I6 under the hood.
Back in the 60's, Chevy would put an emblem on the side of the car to indicate the engine under the hood, a six got nothing, the small 8 a simple V I think, the 327 added crossed flags and the 409 had 409 under the flags.
I think including engine size in the name is useless information, and when the engine changes, the model name shifts, making for confusion. It would be better to have a separate tag on the car to show what the engine is.
For example, when new 3-series came along, 325 and 330 were designations used for both 3.0 engines: one was about 180-190 hp, another 220-230 hp. My guess is that 325 was selected to show that the performance in 325 was similar to previous 325 with 2.5 engine. Then they introduced the 3.0 turbo and tuned the NA engine to have performance between 325 and 330 version. The new cars had then performance that would be "natural" to 2.8 and 3.5 engines, hence the names: 328 and 335.
I completely made it up, but I stick to it :shades:
2018 430i Gran Coupe
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
-Rocky
Not nearly as bad as Lincoln, though.