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Products added to the oil: In a normally operating piston engine, a maximum loss of 5% efficiency is due to friction. Therefore, the maximum benefit to fuel efficiency would be 5% for any of these products, if the product could reduce friction to zero, which no product can. Some of these products may clog smaller oil orifices in the engine.
Products added to the coolant: These tout a cooler running engine as a benefit. Normally only the thermostat controls the running temperature of the engine (coolant temperature around 195-210 degrees in most engines). You don't want the engine to run cooler. If it does, as might be the case with a thermostat stuck open, the CTS (coolant temperature sensor) will tell the computer the engine is cold and add to fuel consumption by remaining in open loop operation.
Products added to fuel: Tier one fuels contain enough detergents to keep your fuel system and injectors clean with using additional cleaners. Exception: I usually use some Marvel Mystery Oil (upper cylinder lubricant) in the first two or three tankfuls of fuel in a new car. It may ease the break-in resulting in a tighter engine.
Also, Mobil 1 synthetic oil is worth every penny and is now recommended by Cadillac.
Never ceases to amaze me how a few money-hungry bozos think they can outdo the auto engineers. But, as PT Barum once said. . . .
mpg calculations. Try to think outside the box. You probably don't take vitamins either, thinking only the medical establishment and the drug companies with chemotherapy are authorized to save your life.
Just as I suspected, OBC, On Board Computer.
Only accurate over the long term, no direct measure of fuel flow into the intake manifold, only an approximation. Certainly not accurate enough to determine MPG during the use of less than 2 gallons.
DTE, Distance To Empty, is no longer available for most car OBC's due to driver over-relying, running out of gas in the middle of death valley.
1. The interior is gorgeous. It is a vast improvement over the '05-'10. There is more wood, it is more natural looking and the aluminium covers are more muted and of higher quality. The gauges are great and it is so much more modern. At this price point, no vehicle has an interior this high of a quality. The Lacrosse is a bit more flashy but not nearly as classy. Nothing Acura has in this range has as clean and luxurious of an interior. The Taurus is nice but not as elegant.
2. The NAV system is light years ahead although I don't think it is the best NAV out there. It is better. The whole interface with sat radio and the back-up camera is slick and so far, no noticeable lags.
3. The Limited perforated leather is of a higher quality than the base "Avalon class" but I just like that smooth leather more and I'm not sure why. I have a dog and take people on trips to tennis tournaments so the durability of the perforated leather is going to be awesome but I just like the smooth leather better.
4. The headroom is the same as the '06-'10. No differences, no problems. It really appears that they tweaked the body exterior panels (not structure) and revamped the interior and electronics. Why fix the things that are not broken?
5. I didn't think I would want/need the seat extension on the driver's side but I used it on a 75 mile interstate cruise and loved it. I'm over 6' and of a solid frame so maybe more petite people may find it worthless.
6. I'm still getting used to the HID headlamps. They are nice but I've been driving for 20 years and it is a change.
7. The Zephyr Blue is gorgeous.
8. I got the 2 years of maintenance b/c I took delivery by 4/5. It wasn't limited to the '10's (I owned an '04 XLS before buying this '11).
I wanted one so badly and while I did save $3K on list, I could have maybe saved more if I had waited. I don't regret it. This is a really nice car. It always has been a really nice car but this is the first time the electronics are thoroughly modern. Thumbs up so far!
2011. I did not like the way they changed the interior styling and flow. The 2010 has great interior lines. In the 2011 they trashed all that by simply putting a square box to the right of the steering wheel. That isn't style, it simply makes things easier for the engineer. Glad you like your 2011, but they gave me $6,000 in discounts, which I could not believe, but I just happened to walk in with the sunday paper and all the competitive discounts from all the Toyota dealers at the height of their gas pedal problems and simply stole a 2010 Avalon Ltd.
My 2008 Touring Edition (only 15 months old), already has 42,000 miles on it, and I was hoping to trade while it had some decent value as a trade.
Sure sounds like the new Avalon is a winner (for some of us).
Skip
I'm looking to get a black one when they are available on the west coast.
1. Nitrogen in your tires is a must. On highway driving I tried it on an 2006 Corolla
and 2010 Avalon and it improved highway mileage by 4-5 mpg on a 60 mile trip at 59 mph, dry conditions with medium Ohio hills, not flats and not the Rockies.
Some Tire dealers in Ohio put it in your tires for free to generate customer loyalty.
2. The ride is so soft and quiet you dont even want to get anywhere fast so try to use cruise as much as possible.
3. If you keep the mpg on your dash you will concentrate a little more about getting better mpg
4. I have owned a 2005 Avalon Ltd and now a 2010 Ltd and I think they have tweaked this car and got most of the bugs out.
4. My average city/highway so far is about 27.5 mpg
then gave me another $3,000 off that price. I could not pass it up. I think there was a period at the beginning of March when the heat was on Toyota because of the brakes,etc, and they came up with all these discounts and within two weeks time sucked down a lot of inventory and made a lot of Avalons disappear . It seems
the 2010's are gone and the 2011's have not come in yet because I cant find any on the new inventory lists at my local toyota dealers.
Dennis
I live in a suburban city where there is a lot of distance between traffic lights
I am averaging 27 mpg city/highway and got 37.7mpg on a 60 mile test drive
expressway at 59 mpg, with medium Ohio hills and flats.
Dennis W, Akron, Ohio
What state are you in? There are still some 2010's in CA. Have you tried a search on autotrader.com? You can plug in your zip code and search by distance as well.
For my 2010, they took 4700 off the MSRP...added tax and then took another 3000.00 off for the rebate. It may be worthwhile seeing if you can locate a 2010. Your local dealer...or their internet manager can probably locate one for you.
Just a thought!
Skip
Yes the over 7000.00 reduction and rebates were great. Unfortunately the sales tax (8.25%) and then registration (nearly 500.00!) etc takes a big bite out of that "savings". Don't you just love the government :-) ?
I sent an email to Jimbo telling him these things and asking him if Toy's customers are really as dumb as his gang thinks they are. I reminded him of the company's history when in the 1950's they went through a crisis and the guy in charge at that time took the responsibility for it, then resigned. I asked whether he and Carter and the fellas will have that much guts and honesty. I'm not holding my breath waiting for a response.
2011 avalon epa highway 28.. I think you can able to get up to 32 mpg highway if you use cruise control. avalon have 6 speed, so it will give you better gas milage.
I am currently driving 2006 camry v6. I average 29.3 mpg. best was 32.5 mpg..
http://www.fuelly.com/driver/hondavtec/camry
Also, I've seen a few of the commercials now and I kind of like them. It highlights the comfort, elegance and space of the Avalon which I agree are the main selling points.
My best educated guess is that something in the computer controlled throttle was changed and they had to rework the logic of the laser cruise. IMO it will show back up eventually.
2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve
- Bigger, smaller?
- Louder - quieter
- Smoother ride - Harsher ride?
- Road noise - more, less or the same?
- Finish - better, worst or about the same?
Skip
That makes sense.
The reason I bought a 2003 Avalon was because of the "room", easy to enter and back seat room, trunk size was a plus.......car has 109,000 miles, been a awesome set of wheels......lot's of driving from my area to California to visit son, handles wonderfully at all speeds and this car has been over 100+, over all mileage is 25+. Wiper motor quit(but then I live in Washington State) and 1 sensor, oh and the battery had to be replaced. Uses no oil, pleasure to drive.
Back to the 2010 and 2011.....sat in both, NO DIFFERENCE, I'm 6'3", 250 pounds....2011 has a better looking interior, would have bought the 2011 but no navigation.
Have looked at many, Infiniti, Buick, Lexus, Hyundai......for the money, tough to beat the Avalon.
Skip
It looks cheap. One big [non-permissible content removed] painted silver grill, that suppose to look classy?
Seems silly, buy hey, you gotta like what you drive to have one - or at least I do.
Skip
The exterior is silver metallic and the interior is light grey – same as the ‘07. However, the ’11 has a dark charcoal dash top which extends across the top of the doors at window level and the “wood” trim is darker. Coupled with black floor mats on the grey carpet, it is a classier look. The six-speed trans is silky smooth and the shift points in the higher gears are practically undetectable under easy acceleration. The projector headlights are better and the backup camera may be useful.
The only shortcoming, in my opinion, regards the instrumentation. My ’07 had a bright blue display area (where the nav would have gone) which showed outside temp, ave. mpg, range, plus some other info. To find that info on the ’11, one must scroll (via a button on the steering wheel) through the readings which appear in a small window below the tach. The radio and HVAC info are behind smoked plastic in the center stack. It is very difficult to read when sunlight comes through the open moonroof. The turn signal, gear indicators, and certain warning lights are at the bottom of a 5-inch deep slot between the speedo and tach clusters. Visibility should not be too great a problem, unless you are a leaner. All in all, these are small detractions from an otherwise great car.