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Subaru Crew - Future Models II

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That's correct. I'm only slightly crazy. :D
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,524
    Slightly? Well, let's just call you crazy and leave it at that. :P
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,678
    edited October 2010
    Two articles with much the same info:

    http://toyobaru.net/forums/f9/toyota...scion-usa-397/

    Toyota Exec Meetings - Confirmed FT-86 To Be a Scion in the USA
    I've been sitting on this information in disbelief, however we have other confirmations in hand now. According to our inside source at Toyota the FT-86 is going to be released as a Scion in the USA. Toyota and Scion Marketing and Management adjourned across the US this past Tuesday to receive the news. Their reasons behind using Scion is reported as Marketability and pricing structure, Scions as you might know share a fixed pricing structure at all dealerships. If released as a Toyota the FT86 could be suspect to price hikes. In the end it sounded like Subaru and Toyota thought that Scion was the best choice for the FT-86, I strongly disagree.

    The report also included that of a 2.5l Engine would make it to production. The current engine "marketed" with the Toyota FT-86 is only a 2.0 liter. The choice of the 2.5l is a good one. However they are also increasing the original entry level price range around $25,000 US.

    In the meeting was a 3D hologram of the FT-86, although its not known if it was changed or as the Scion branding. Our source also provided details of the Subaru variant, and I'm afraid to the bad news continues. The Subaru 216a is expected to be released in Euro markets only. We did not receive reports of the other Markets, such as Asia, Australia, Japan. These markets would be more likely to get a Toyota and not a Scion, which isn't an international brand.

    The car is expected to be break into US shores at the NY Auto Show this April.

    Price Range: $25,000
    Expected Date: 2012, after the the Scion IQ.
    Engine: 2.5 Liter Boxer
    Name: Still undecided, although Likely Scion FR-S
    Body Style Changes: Yes, slightly more square.

    UPDATE: I had more time with my source and they explained this is Toyota's last ditch move to save the failing brand, Scion. Scion sells well in California, Texas, but not that well anywhere else. I was also told the body design will be slight changed, Toyota doesn't want the FT-86 to compete with the Lexus IS brand so they are making the design a bit more square. More bad news if you ask me.


    http://www.autoblog.com/2010/10/10/r...gher-than-exp/

    Report: Toyota FT-86 to be badged as Scion, retail for $25K
    When the Toyota FT-86 concept was unveiled at the Tokyo Motor Show, we were surprised and delighted at the prospect of an attractive, rear-wheel-drive 2+2 with a $20,000 price tag. Could we just as excited for a $25,000 RWD Scion? We may not have a choice.

    The Wall Street Journal reports that Toyota management told dealers in Las Vegas there will be a production version of the FT-86 badged as a Scion model. The move would help bolster the struggling brand, which has been a bit product-starved of late. There are also rumors of a new price point – as high as $25,000 – and the possibility that the Subaru version will only be available in Europe.

    While the report claims the FT-86 will be badged as a Scion, there is no definitive word there won't be a Toyota variant as well. We're sure to learn more this auto show season, as reports show that the production FT-86 could arrive at the New York Auto Show in 2011.


    I'm not terribly surprised by this. If the Subie version is indeed Euro-only, then my guess is it is RWD. :(

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I guess why bother if they weren't going to build an AWD version.

    If they do, then badge it as a Subaru.

    I think the Scion name makes total sense, BTW.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,678
    http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2010/10/rendered-2013-subaru-impreza-wr- x.html

    I think this will be fairly close. My only objections are that the grille insert (the "wings") are way too prominent. I'd like to see that aspect more subtle, a lot thinner and perhaps black like the current model. I also think the tailights could be a bit larger. I think the overall shape of the grille is pretty close to what we'll see. I would think, this being a WRX, that there would be some sort of air scoop aft the front wheel, like the current model.

    What I've heard so far is that this redesign will be an "evolutionary" one, not a "revolutionary" one, and these illustrations back that up.

    I'm optimistic.

    Bob
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,506
    Grille looks like Chevy Cruze. Or worse - Chrysler. Yuk. :( Line is just like the current one.Lights are allright.

    Subarus tend to look life better than in pictures, though so there is hope.

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,678
    edited October 2010
    The grille is inspired by the Hybrid Touring Concept that hit the auto show circuit last year.

    http://www.motortrend.com/auto_shows/tokyo/2009/112_0909_subaru_hybrid_tourer_co- ncept/photo_05.html

    Bob
  • rblnrrblnr Posts: 124
    Sides look very much like the current Legacy. Based on the mule, there's a ton of speculation here obviously. The designer was quoted as saying that he didn't like character lines all over the place, wanted the shape to speak -- and that is evident in the design of the Hybrid Tourer. Also said that the last gen Legacy was his favorite Subaru looks-wise FWIW.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,524
    edited October 2010
    The front end looks nice, I think, despite the somewhat awkward headlight transition, which may become standard Subaru fare. Looks like the rendering team agrees with my initial assessment about the car's "fat" hiney. :P

    As far as an evolution goes, if the car looks close to this, it will be alright. I would like to see a better "flow" to it, though.
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,678
    edited October 2010
    http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2010/10/15/501478.1-lg.jpg

    http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2010/10/15/501478.html

    Forester S-Edition’s turbocharged 2.5 litre 193 Kilowatt engine is 24 kW more powerful than the XT and produces 347 Newtonmetres of torque, up 27 Nm.

    Other significant additions include:

    Paddleshift five-speed automatic gearbox
    Revised sports suspension
    Variable Torque Distribution (VTD) All-Wheel Drive
    Exclusive styling accents
    STI 17-inch high lustre alloy wheels
    Alcantara seat trim with S-Edition logos
    Drilled alloy pedals
    Luminescent instruments with centre design unique to the model
    Forester S-Edition badging

    ________

    This is what our Forester XT should be. It looks like they took some stuff from the departed Outback XT, and added it to this car.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited October 2010
    I hope this replaces the XT, and isn't just some high-priced $33,000 special model.

    This is what we should have gotten instead of the Touring model.

    PS Gimme back the roof rails.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,678
    http://www.autoblog.com/2010/11/02/la-preview-subaru-will-present-new-confidence- -in-motion-green/

    A few comments:

    1) It's been a long, long time since Subaru used the LA show to announce anything new, much less a world debut.

    2) Still a lot of front overhang, so I doubt this will indicate much about the new coupe, in terms of possibledrivetrain.

    3) While it's a "green" concept, you can bet FHI and SOA will be following the "styling" comments very closely, as it's sure to hint at what future Subies might look like.

    4) I bet this is the drivetrain that the Impreza hybrid will be using; may even be a hint of what the next Impreza's styling will be.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The silhouette reminds me of the Prodrive P2, remember that concept? Me likey...
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,678
    Actually, it reminds me of the Suzuki Kizashi. Nothing wrong with that, as that's a handsome sedan.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,678
    edited November 2010
    http://www.autoblog.com/2010/11/17/subaru-impreza-concept-la-2010/

    Hopefully the next-gen Impreza won't stray too far from this. Should be on sale next year.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,678
    edited November 2010
    http://www.subaru-global.com/press/

    There are a couple of really cool videos here; especially cool is the "Brand Movie."

    Bob
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,524
    From what we can see in the photo here, the front end and the lines on the car look very nice. I especially like the lines on the hood, which flow very nicely. That part reminds me of the '05-'07 Outback, which had similarly nice hood lines.

    I wonder about the back end....
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,678
    There are plenty of photos out there, some of which show the rear. I think it's a great looking car from all angles.

    Bob
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,524
    Good point - a quick Internet search helped me out there!

    image

    Interesting - the back end looks like a very close interpretation of the front! Not bad, though. This is a concept, not production, but I am curious to see the hatch. If production follows somewhat like this, I stand by my original interpretation of the test mule, even though I don't think it will look bad at all.
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,678
    There are a ton of images in the link I posted the other day, from all angles.

    Bob
  • colin_lcolin_l Posts: 591
    It is very easily the best looking Subaru car since the 2005 Legacy. Assuming they adopt this mostly, if not entirely, as the next-gen Impreza, I think the styling alone will greatly improve sales numbers.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,678
    edited November 2010
    I agree. In fact I think it's better looking than the '05 Legacy. Hope they can preserve most of this as it transitions into a production car. Interesting to note that this concept is wearing 245/40x19 tires. Now those will never make it onto the base Imprezas—but could see duty on the STI version.

    I also think—as great as the current Legacy and Outback are selling—how much greater the sales would be if those models also had breathtaking styling.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    best looking Subaru car since the 2005 Legacy

    I think this looks even better, and the 05 Legacy will now be known as the 2nd best looking Subaru sedan ever.

    I see inspiration from the Opel Insignia (Buick Regal), but that car came out recently so a lot of the resemblance must be coincidental.

    Also, besides the Regal-like greenhouse, I see Legacy fender flares, the grille from the Hybrid Tourer, and a rear deck that looks like an evolution of the current Impreza.

    Put it all together, though, and it just works.

    Also note that we are comparing this design to european Opels, Volvos, and other upscale cars.

    The bug-eye WRX was compared to a Neon.

    The last WRX was compared to a Kia.

    So even the CRITICISMS against the new one are far more flattering. I'm sure Subaru doesn't mind that every car it's compared to costs significantly more than an Impreza. :shades:
  • colin_lcolin_l Posts: 591
    Completely agree.. The STI and competitors (Evo, etc) have 245mm tires or wider, so that size doesn't surprise me at all. I'm sure a base trim Impreza will be wearing more like a 205, 215.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,524
    There are a ton of images in the link I posted the other day, from all angles.

    :blush:

    Incredible. I just went to the link again and sure enough, there they are! Yesterday when I was there, those thumbnail strips did not appear (though there was a large white space between the end of the article and the "jump" it referred to).
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • nine51nine51 Posts: 78
    I like this. It's much better looking than the latest version of the Legacy/Outback. The headlights don't have that "bad facelift" look like the 2010+ Legacy. They are integrated into the fender line much better. I know...personal taste. How about a hatch/wagon version??? The wheels are a little busy. Try cleaning brake dust out of those.

    I like the blue accent light around the headlights, but the local cops around here will have a field day writing tickets. They don't allow ANY blue lights on vehicles. They say it confuses people into thinking they are police cars. HA!! Better make them amber.

    Hope they put better seats in it. Our 2010 OBS is not the most comfortable Subaru I've owned (7 so far). Make the head restraints adjustable fore and aft and give/sell us more lateral support.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,524
    The headlights don't have that "bad facelift" look like the 2010+ Legacy. They are integrated into the fender line much better.

    Yes! I agree with you on that one. That is not my only grip about the new L/O, but that is the biggest.
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • colin_lcolin_l Posts: 591
    I like the blue accent light around the headlights, but the local cops around here will have a field day writing tickets. They don't allow ANY blue lights on vehicles.

    It's supposed to be a soft bluish LED a lot like Audi's DRLs. I haven't seen any Audis getting tickets and they're not *that* blue in person. I am guessing this show car was either in weird light or intentionally overdone.

    Many cars are following Audi's lead and have some kind of LED lights for the daytime running lights.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    What seemed cool at first has become tacky, IMHO. These headlights now look be-jeweled, it's the new "bling".

    I never liked chrome, and don't particularly like this LED trend, either.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,678
    It doesn't bother me.

    Bob
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