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I've heard it helps the engine to warm up and start in cold weather, and it's better for hard racing?? What is the story?
1) Weather below 35 degrees or so, synthetic flows better. I've demonstrated this by paying close attention to the rpm and vibration on startup of my previous Integra with dino, then with synthetic oil.
2) As rpms increase, friction increases exponentially. On a high revving engine, I think dino oil will break down before synthetic
There are other factors. I would consider length of ownership. A 4 year lease might constitute using regular oil. Even on my leases, I have changed the oil at 6,000 miles with synthetic. I thought the less frequent changes were still satisfactory to keep the engine clean with the better oil.
Agree with your points! Haven't had mine changed yet, but plan on synthetic. I'll probably stick in 4 Bosch platinum plugs. Can't believe I didn't do that yet.
It will be interesting to find out how expensive an Iridium tip plug is.
I have always been disappointed in the performance and don't particularly see the point of Toyota paying all the development expense of a different 1.8 liter for such poor performance.
Top speed, unknown - I have been up to 120 mph.
I would like to know your speed to 60 mph.
Marktest, I wish I could time myself. At my cousin's grad party a month ago, I took him and 2 other friends out...I swear I got to 60 in about 7 senconds. I could not believe how this car hauled even with the load. The Integra used to feel like a SLUG with even 1 adult passenger...
Toyota has played it safely - specs always have some average value and then, in fine print, the range which includes numbers so low that there is no way to get them unless something is absolutely wrong. Like interstate mpg - I believe they give the lowest limit 29 for GT interstate, though I now get almost 40.
If you get 120 mph it seems that you get the power out of the engine. It is supposed to go ~130 mph max, and it should take ~30-35 secs to get to 120. Time 0-40, it should be ~4secs and it should be still in the 1st gear, may be you loose at low end only, or maybe switching gears is slow...
including "greasing" the gasket. No change, if any thing the squeak got worse. Then, while washing the car, I discovered
the rear spoiler was rocking on its pylon mounts. After removing the inner trim panel I discovered that the nuts on both front pylon studs had fallen completely off. I put them back on (using lock tight) and the car, at 24K miles, is as quite as new. (I never wanted the spoiler but was forced to get it.)
Also, I am using synthetic oil (Amsoil) and it seems to work just fine. I switched from Valvoline 10-30 to the Amsoil 10-30 more for extending change intervals (use to do changes about 2 to 2.5K
now 6 to 7K, so cost is about the same) and getting the superior performance of the synthetic.
As far as top speed, I have only gone up to about 90, but I'm sure sometime in the near future I'll push it further.
What color is your car?
Also, if you have a sunroof, what do you use to clean it?
I'm getting about 28-29mpg...driving a mix of highway and local.
I'd like to go the Zaino system someday. Don't know if I can get rid of enough of my laziness in order to treat my car that well, but I'd really like to.
what do you think? thanks...
P.S. when your friend pulls up in his brand new M3 do you ask what kind of mileage it gets? sorry, i had to poke a little fun
I can take a joke But your Bimmer owner dreams of eliminating his 6 month $$$ visits to the dealer.
C'mon, with a compact car like the celica, it can't be that much work!!
Agree with you about toyota reliability over bmw...
take care,
:dave and krystyna
Leland
Even though I payed a couple extra for my car it will always be worth more and I'll get it back when I sell it.
I just remembered...it didn't bother me when I (got a deal, and) paid 12,700 for a '93 Integra, and got the same performance, maybe better due to weight, than someone who would buy a loaded model for $18000 (ballpark, I don't remember the LS prices.) Sometimes it works in your favor, sometimes against!
Regarding 40hp difference: It really is all about how quickly the engine reaches its peak horsepower, not the HP itself. And it certainly is cool that these modern slushboxes transfer the power so efficiently.
My bud's 98 grand prix GTP was a measly $450 markup over the standard grand prix when he traded 6 months ago. It's was 8K more new. go figure.
Also, Jrieder has a good point: The GTS is a pretty exclusive car, and probably over a period up to 10 years, it'll still command the book's retail price, not wholesale. Besides, you keep any Toyota in great shape (don't know what your personal habits are guys!) and you can sell it well above wholesale. These cars sell themselves used, due to their reputation.
If you think about it, celica has a high peak engine, and auto GT-S has "4" gears. Everytime the car shifts, you are dropping out of the powerband on the 2nd cam. Not to mention the automatic robs a whole bunch of power just because it is an automatic. It is true that the manual GT will gain at first and the auto gts will probably catch up around 40 mph or so.. but that is still a close number from 0-60mph. Besides, 0-60 is not everything. Cornering, braking is also very important.
You don't drop out of the powerband when racing. You shift at redline, either manually, or hopefully pedal to the floor in the GTS auto results in redline shifts, but I wouldn't know.
The GTS has variable lift, lower profile wheels, a larger bore and shorter stroke, 40 more horses...the answers are too complicated to guess, we need a race!
I was going to buy a station wagon but my wife said go buy something you can have some fun in - and besides it's cheaper than a girlfriend!
I like the feel and the looks of the car, and I wanted the "legendary" reliability of a Toyota.
Well, it seems all of that legendary stuff has gone to Toyota's heads and they have become arrogant and unresponsive; it will be their downfall.
The car is kind of cheap inside; I've had the moonroof sliders replaced a couple of times only because one of the panels seems to get dirty on it's front edge.
But my serious gripe - and this has to do as much with safety as with expectations - is the fact that until the temp. gauge moves to first notch there is a noticeable hesitation. It feels like it's about to stall. It can really be unnerving pulling out from an intersection.
Toyota says that "this is within normal parameters"
You can imagine what I say!
I've never had a vehicle that didn't respond when cold - the computer's supposed to take care of these things - right????
I would think a change in the computer codes would fix the problem; but what does Toyota say about it?
They're working on it.
I hope they find the problem soon - I now have 2 of the 3 years warranty left!
Anyone else having similar problems?
Everyone has their own preferance. I myself know that there are at least 10 different reasons why the gts is better than the gt, regardless of if it is auto or manual. But rather than look down on someone next to me in a GT, I give a thumbs up, because any new celica is a nice celica!!!!
I had to order my 2001 GT from the factory, all because I didn't want a spoiler! And they also don't come through with ABS, at least around here. So I ordered it just like I wanted it, waited 4 months (!), but it was worth it now.
As they say, that's why there's chocolate and vanilla....
As for any other signs of a hesitation, I haven't experienced any. Just the normal higher revs of a cold engine as with any vehicle.
Also ordered new shocks for hatch. Below 30 degrees F it falls on my head as I put my guitar in back. It is warm now, but they said the shocks feel weak, so they'll put new ones on.
" The GTS has variable lift, lower profile wheels, a larger bore and shorter stroke, 40 more horses...the answers are too complicated to guess, we need a race! "
So you are telling me that a 200hp truck will out run a celica GT-S? I think not. Weight to power ratio, gear ratios, and automatic/manual plays an important part on the overall car performance. Hp is one part of the formula, not everything.
Auto GT-S has "FOUR" gears, close gear ratio is VERY important on high rev cars like acura Rsx, Integra and s2000.. especially Celica. Think about it, you are engaging the 2nd cam very close to the redline. The only way to STAY within the redline is to have close gear ratios, since auto GT-S only have "FOUR" gears, everytime you shift you drop out of the power band. The gears on the auto GT-s are too long to extract the best performance out of that engine. Btw, you do know that manual GT-S have 6 gears right.. there are 6 gears for a reason.
Torque converter on a auto transmission doesn't help either. Like I said before, go to newcelica.org and people will tell you the same thing. GT-S or GT owners alike.
By the way, I don't own a celica. I was going to buy a 6spd manual but toyota decided to stop production on the 6spd for this year. I was going to buy a auto celica but found out that it can be slower then the GT manual. I can race you in my wrx if you want... hehe.
If I had it to do over, I'd have gone to the GT, but I'm happy with the car - just wish I didn't have to pay for premium gas for mediocre performance. As a comparison - my wife's 4-cyl Solara is as quick as my Celica GTS. Solara's a nice car, but no sports car.
Yes, I know the GTS has 6-gears as that is the car that I have. I also think that the gearbox is more to offer a unique package, rather than performance. Yes, it can be helpful in an all-out drag race. However, ALL THE TIME, like cruising through the park at 35-45, I find there is no perfect gear to be in. The lower gear will drag too much, and the higher gear won't have enough torque. And I believe Acura is copying Toyota for the uniqueness factor only. I used to push my Integra 5-speed to the limit all the time. Comparing the 2, I say with the proper footwork, there would be very little difference in performance from 5 to 6 gears. And like I said, road course driveability suffers with the 6.
That being said, I still love the 6-speed. I appreciate the uniqueness factor in drive-feel. Every new thing I drive teaches me new things. This is like buying a new computer, or router. I get to play a lot with it, and figure out new things.
"I'm sure the GTS is faster, but the GT got to 60 mph more quickly"=====What do you mean by this marktest?
You make a good point about sports economy cars.
The extra gear makes downshifting power increase (more options) and helps out with gas mileage I think. Of course, the 91+ octane does get old!
I actually experience the same thing in my wrx. The 3rd gear is very short, and the 4th is way too long (up to 120mph.) If I want more power, I will have to stay in the short 3rd and waste more gas.. I think every car is like that, around 40mph is the moot point for fuel economy. You want more power because the speed limit is usually 50, but you don't want to shift because 4th is way too long and doesn't hqve any power..
anyway... I need help. Does anyone know how i could get my hands on a shop manual for the 2k Celica? much appreciated.
only Toyota).
Obviously there is some point the GTS auto will overtake the GT manual, but that isn't within the first 60 mph (by my experience).
Top end is kind of moot to me. However, I DO wish I had the opportunity to do periodic high speed driving.
6 spd GTS------------------ 7.2 seconds (0-60)
5 spd GT--------------------- 8.7 seconds (0-60)
4 spd auto GTS-----------9.5 seconds (0-60)
4 spd GT-------------------(10-10.5 seconds) (0-60)
These are all speeds that I have gotten from everyones' posts. They certainly don't match up.
I have a 4 spd GTS, and it reaches 60 faster than 9.5 seconds. It seems that no one here really knows the speeds of these cars, and everyone is merely guessing. I have test driven all 4, and not one is slower than 9 seconds, even the GT Auto. The only speed we know for certain is that the GTS 6 speed reaches 60 in 7.2 seconds. Gutiarzan seems pretty confident that his GT Auto gets to 60 in 8.5 seconds, nut judging by all the posts, it seems we all beg to differ.
From what I have experienced---- The GTS 6 speed really DOES get to 60 in just over 7 seconds. The GT 5 speed and the GTS Auto are about the same (I have beaten a GT 5 speed in my GTS AUTO). The GT Auto is about a second slower than the GTS Auto. No need to argue with what I am saying, cause it may not be true. But I know that out of all the celicas, none are over 9 seconds, which pretty much beats almost all of the older generation celicas anyways.