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(macarthur2): The "pavement slap" stems from insufficient rebound damping, which is the complaint I addressed earlier with my GT package. The rebound damping was OK for the first 1000 miles, but quickly decreased thereafter, due to poor quality shocks (typical GM). The GT package has firmer springs, and needs a better quality shock than used on the standard suspension, otherwise they will wear out fast.
It has the "tour edition" discount package which if I remember correctly, includes leather seats ,the gauge/driver information center and aluminum wheels. I was disappointed in a couple things: 1. no back seat armrest or head rests. 2. Automatic air conditioning is an option. 3. In general, at least to me, the Lesabre doesn't seem to take the bumps very well despite being built on a rigid platform. I realize the some of these things can be had with the Limited, but come on, no arm rest or head rests in the back seat? How cheap can you get?
On the other hand, I like its styling and the fact that it has side impact bags and that the 3800 V-6 is under the hood. Also, I made sure to take it on the highway to see if it had the kazoo sound, which it didn't.
Any other things I should consider or look for before we pick up the car Monday?
Thanks,
Bryan
problems with their Lesabre as I am. I have only had my 2000 Lesabre for a year now and the problems are mounting up. The air conditioner doesn't cool the car down and my drivers side window will not roll down. I've also noticed water in the passenger floor board after it rains.
Could I have gotten a lemon??
As far as water leaking into the cabin, it could be a myriad of things: 1. Improperly sealed windshield. 2. Leaves blocking the air conditioning drain (check up by the windshield wipers) 3. Improper body weld.
All cars sometimes fail to start on the first start. Sometimes just adding fuel injector cleaner can solve such problems. If it continues though, have it checked.
Bryan
intermittently at low speeds and stop lights. The
car currently only has 5000 miles and this is the
second round of engine stalls. The earlier engine
stalls occurred in Feb and March and were caused by a bad alternator, not charging properly at low
RPM. The problem went away for a few months, but
now it's back. And I doubted this time is the
alternator.
In city traffic, the car would idle erratically in
drive at stops, even though it does not have a
tachometer, I could hear the engine revved up and
down, struggling, then stalled. In lots of cases,
I attempted to shift the gear to neutral, trying to relieve the engine / transmission load, but this did not help, the engine died still. I noticed that this problem manifests more in warmer
climate than cold.
This problem had been looked at 5 times at 2 different dealerships but dealers were saying the
car was operating within spec. no fixes were
performed. When I went to the dealer who sold me
the car the other day, insisting on invoking the
NJ Lemon Law, the latest excuse I got was " The
car is designed to use REGULAR 87 octane gas and I
had been using SUPER 93 octane gas. " The manual
indicated the car needs 87 octane or higher???
" Give Regular gas a try " was the latest solution
I got.
I was incredulous about his answer. Nevertheless to be reasonable, I told the service manager that I will try it, but I am bringing the car back if this does not solve the engine stalls. To make this official, I called Buick Customer Service to
log this entry. So they are not going to beat around the bush any longer.
I need to know that if there is any owners out there using Super 93 gas for their 2000 LeSabres
and if they encounter any engine stalls? Please
respond so I can make a good decision on what to do next
Good luck,
Bryan
I phrase it as 'COASTABILITY.' Do any 99 owners experience this?
How many miles did the Le Sabre have upon delivery? You got a truly impressive deal. I feel
like going to a Buick dealer and trade my 2000
Mercury Sable wagon for a Buick and the Ill write
Ford to tell them about it. Customer Service and
the dealer treated me very poorly.
I am disappointed that an automobile in this price range, 27k, does not have a rear fold down armrest (yes I could have gone 3k more and bought the limited). but this is a custom with leather and the Prestige Package.
I sat in the back seat last week for the first time and the cushions have no support, just mush.
Not trying to be negative, these are minor things, I have owned the car since Jan and have been in the back seat once. But the cupholder needs to be redesigned.
9700 miles, gets 22-23 rural/city and a serious 31 mpg on the interstate at 70+. Like many Buick owners I consider myself to be a careful driver who maintains the car well. The 3800 V6 has very good power and is reasonalbly quiet. I have the optional 16" tires without the handling package. I would recommend the car over the Crown Vic or Grand Marquis. J.D. Power rates it WAY higher than either of the Ford products.
If the car doesn't check out, don't let that destroy your friendship.
What is more valuable, a friendship or saving a grand on a car?
If the money is more important, then buy a car from a stranger.
My opinion, YMMV.
TB
btw..what's ymmv?
dave
TB
in the SW burbs of Chicago, the 2001 Custom
with SD package goes for ~26K. What is the
reasonble amount I should be able to get the
car for ?
U mentioning the pa turnpike brings back memories of when we'd drive to atlantic city, there was always construction along it but I liked the way they had emergency phones every mile.Nothing like that on roads around me here in n y.
RZEPA here in the OKC area you can almost always find a dealer offering 3k off his on the lot LeSabres. That actually comes in under dealer list (but of course we know they get factory incentives). I like the car very much except for what I mentioned in #289 above.
saving you money on a new car?
Thanks
Also, on new model year introductions, the GM card guarantees that you can apply a minimum of $1,000 points towards the purchase of this new model of car/truck..not bad at all.
Read all about it at:
www.gmcard.com
Hope this helps. ;-)
I wish I had said that. I do want to add this from my personal experience. I have carried the GM Card for eight years. I pay off the balance at the end of every month. If you don't do that (as with any credit card) you are fooling yourself when it comes to "earnings." The company has been great. I have never found an error in their accounting. I have had no problems and I would recommend the card to you. As indicated by teo, the rules have recently changed. With the "new" GM Card your earnings are unlimited but the amount you can apply is limited. With the old card you could earn up to $500 yearly, or, for a while, up to $1000 yearly if you carried the GM Gold Card. I did. When I got ready to purchase my new car, I got the best deal I could get on my new 2000 Le Sabre Limited. After those terms were set, we then subtracted my GM Card earnings off the purchase price. They were worth $5,273. No doubt someone, somewhere did even better than that. It would be interesting to hear from them in this forum.
Clark clarkjudy@hitter,net
The formerly light blue car is now road salt grey!
What can I tell you about snow removal.
1. Illinois -- Fair
2. Indiana -- Poor
3. Kentucky -- Good
4. West Virginia -- Excellent
5. Virginia -- No snow observed.
Cheers,
TB
One problem that I have not been able to figure out concerns the door locks. When I start the car in the morning and get out to clean snow and ice off the windows, the doors automatically lock after a short time. The first time it did this, I had to use the spare keys from my wife's fob. After that I used the valet key that I keep separately from the regular key. It's a nuisance.
Can anyone give me some advice on how to prevent the doors locking like this?
Thanks,
Indrek Aavisto
Sudbury, Ontario