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aren't we getting really philosophical about life here? not that i disagree or agree with either one of you(we are all entitled to our opinions--that's what makes the world go around) , it seems that this is not the right stage to discuss ways of life ,but to discuss HIGH END LUXURY CARS.
as far as an audi is concerned---ouch--see my past post ,it is simply the worst sedans we have owned.no car ,no matter how much you'd spend on it, will not be trouble free. the question is --how can you stomach with repeated trips to the dealer, and its attitude towards your complanits.
M
Marsha7,
I think am going to wait for the second year or so on the new XJ series Jaguar. Just to see how it rates and if I like the new styling. I sure do want to see the new design though.
2jags2,
Your right. The little debate ferarri11 and I had turned out not to be much about cars at all.
merc1,
Put that deposit down on that C-class yet? The dealers in Tampa say that they're do in this month.
M
I have a 98 740i. The car is fantastic, and it is such a pleasure to drive. The only regret that I have with the car is that I didn't get the iL.
Regarding the comment about the car running $2,000-$3,000 per year. I hardly believe that. Unless he is also talking about insurance and gasoline. My car has 40k on it, and the only things I've had done are oil changes and tire rotations.
Camry 3.0L V6, FWD, 4-Speed Auto
LS 400 4.0L V8, RWD, 5-Speed Auto
How does anyone tell them apart?
Just because the LS 400 costs less than the 7-Series and the S-Class, does that mean that they don't compete with each other. If that is the case, then the 5-Series and E-Class don't compete whatsoever. How silly of me to think that they would compete.
Yes the current LS 400 does lack some of the gizmos that the BMW 750iL has, like a rear sunshade. However, because of this, does that mean that the LS 400 doesn't compete in the same market?
I could go on rebutting your arguement, but you have none. Your entire post is babbling BS, and says I don't care about the car; I just want to look good in my 92,000 car. How about you actually say something worthwhile, then we can talk. OK?
This is from the edmunds.com super luxury test, which included the 750iL (your car), the S 500, the LS 400, the A8, and the XJ8 L:
"This car is good. Almost scary good, when you consider the price. Its level of refinement is very high. And for the primary luxury car functions -- quiet and smooth ride, comfortable accommodations -- the Lexus is one of the best cars here."
No competiton for the 750iL and the S-Class.
Cheers..
The LS400 is one of the worlds finest automobiles. Its refined, reliable, and priced well compared to its competition(S,7,XJ,and A8)
Every luxury car have fans. Owners and non owners. Thats cool. Love what you love, but you don't have to insult the guy because you disagree with him. By the way the Edmunds comparison did place the 750il into first place against the others.
Coolmatt44,
Lexus lovers will attack you about their cars. They know that a Lexus is a Toyota dressed up(Camry=ES300, Avalon=GS300, Land Cruiser=LX470, Solora=SC300). They know that Lexus copies the Germans blatantly(S-class=LS). They also know that a Lexus is one of the finest automobiles, if not the finest made. Sure, Mercedes, BMW, and Jaguar have heritage, prestige, and style above that of the Lexus. You still essentially can't go wrong buying a Lexus when compared to the others. Its all about choice. Enjoy that 750il.
Solora=SC300"
Please tell me you are kidding.
Yes, the Camry and ES 300, and the Land Cruiser and LX 470 share underpinnings with each other.
The Avalon and Solara are both built off of the Camry platform (3.0L V6, FWD).
The GS is sold in Japan as the Aristo, and the SC is sold as the Soarer.
I may have just been reading too much into your post, though.
M
i think you must have a model similarity off. the SC300 is built more off a shortened LS400 platform i think. dont quote me on it if i'm wrong. not the solara. no similarities there. RWD vs FWD, I6 vs V6 or I4, luxury vs efficiency. the new 300 may be built off the GS though. what kind of electrical problems did you encounter?
what car are you on now?
coolmatt44- i really dont think big bimmer owners
are any younger than benz owners. no car can make you look any younger, despite a mid life crisis. are you sure you have a 750il and not a gremlin? i know they are so similar, you know, 4 wheels, doors (one has more), windows, headlights, steering wheels.
M
Just like you are emotional about what your brand loyalty(ies)!
(ha, ha, ha)
Toyota dealer told me that the new Avalon was based on the GS. Solara looks too like my SC300 did. Maybe it isn't the same underneath. Anyway, those were just examples.
The main reason for my post was to say, "People, it ain't that serious". Lets agree to disagree with out and out insulting each other.
ferarri11,
I'm still on the Jaguars for now. I've about gotten the car thing out of my system. Had most of them already. I'll probably buy the next ES300 to keep a reliable car around and spurge on something else(newer Jag). As far as my electrical problems with the 740il: a/c and radio replaced, light bulbs replaced almost monthly, and one highlight replaced. If it wasn't for that I would probably still own it. It was the best all around car I have ever had, and the most fun (I really enjoyed the SC300 also). Oh, depreciation is horrible also. I'm an excellent negotiator, but I luck out getting out of that one.
How does the Solara look like a SC300? They look nothing alike.
Same with the LExus GS300 and Avalon. Both cars carry no similar interior styling elements or switchgear. Shifter is totally different, steering wheel is different, gauges are different, window switches are different.
This is all very confusing because I do not know the actual cost of the car. Sticker is 71,485.
Salesman thinks its good of course because the sport package and conventience package plus the elongated wheelbase is about 8500 more than what I have now and I would be paying 6500 for this. Good reasoning. I guess all prices are list and nothing do to with invoice. What do you think of the deal? Should I just wait out my lease and see what is availble in November. They are interested in moving cars, my car also because it has only 22500 miles. Appreciate any help. Thanks.
By the way the 1500 difference from the 4K diff. would probably be acceptable to the dealer.
If I understand your dealer's proposal correctly, he wants you to buy out your lease for $4k, and claims he is offsetting the buyout by a $2.5k "incentive". When the dust settles you will be driving a 740il w/sport pkg., etc., in place of your '98 740i with 22k miles. And you will do this for an upfront payment of $6500. Since you didn't mention what the new payment is on the 740il I can't comment with certainty on the attractiveness of the deal, but it's hard to justify (for most) lease buyouts. No matter how the dealer packages the deal the cost of the buyout is being passed to you.
This is probably the last thing you want to do, but with your low milage on the '98 you may want to consider the residual buyout of the car when the lease expires in Nov. Depending on what that figure is, you very well could make money on it by immediately selling it yourself. In any case, if you can wait till the lease expires you'll have more options. (Buy the 98 and sell it; buy the 98 and keep it; or turn in the 98 and buy or lease something else.) Remember the $2500 "incentive" the dealer said you were getting? Well, you can expect one in Nov. also - as a cap cost reduction on a new lease, or a discount on a buy. The salesman's validation of your $6500 down by pointing out that the 740il was $8500 more than a 740i was a smooth try, but when you lease you should only be paying for part of the cost anyway. You could put it to your salesman this way: "So, you want me to amortize $6500 of the $8500 in a two(or three) year lease?"
On another point, if your 98 is as nice as one with 22k miles should be, then they aren't doing you any favors with the 37k appraisal...DB
What do you think now, I have three days to cancel my contract with BMW although I have not put any money down. The dealer is holding the car for me until Sat. Thanks again.
If the 740il (2000 model ?) is essentially costing you what is advertised, then you would seem to be in the ballpark, but I wouldn't pay extra to escape the current lease. I'm leaving now for a vacation and won't be checking for another week, so leave a post and let us know how it went.
You might also want to crunch the numbers on a buy instead of a lease. I don't have time to do it now, but that lease payment looks vulnerable. I understand you may wish to lease for reasons other than cost, of course. Good luck...DB
I need a very roomy sedan and the Lexus, Infiniti, etc do not interest me. Maybe I should get a MB S500 for now until the S600 I want arrives. I don't like spending top dollar for an automobile that will be "outdated" in a year.
Does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions? I had no idea purchasing a luxury sedan would be so frustrating.
" YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR"
I don't know about your dealer, but the one near me, if they say wait 1 year, it probably means 2. So get the S500, it's a fine car. If you have extra money handy, get the Designo espresso and load up on options. This S model is going to last a long, long time.
Yes...I agree with you about how long I will have to wait for the S600. I ordered a BMW X5 in March and I am finally receiving it this week. What was supposed to be a 2-3 month wait turned out to be six long months. Too many options, maybe. I don't know.
I'm leaning towards the S500 because I think it is a very fine automobile, as you state. Load up on options? YOU BET! The BMW 750iL just doesn't appeal to me. Overpriced. I'm not a fan of BMW's in general, but I must admit that I like the X5. I had a Jaguar a few years back and really enjoyed the long drives I had to take from San Francisco to LA and back. It's a wonderful touring car.
I'll test drive the S500 this week. Right now my gut says to get the S500. And I'll look into the Designo Espresso. Thanks!
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