I have an exactly same model and color Odyssey and my car also has problem #2, only on the passage side sliding door. It is due to a bad assembly and has been fixed.
The car drives nicely but it rattles in the sliding door area on both sides. Some rattle is due to weather, but some is not. It is quite annonying and please let me know if any one has experience with it
I just finish talking to Honda Customer relations and they are not giving any extended warranty on transmissions after your normal 36,000 miles 3 year warranty. I am selling my Van. I don't want to take chances nor pay out of my pocket for extended warranty. Honda is not standing behind they transmission messs! I have a 2003 Odyssey.
"What's not right is that you're conveniently ignoring other posts about this problem. I've posted a number of times that I'm getting 14 mpg with Touring!"
Uh, OK, except for those two owners, why aren't the others here complaining about getting 13.5 mpg?
I mean, if it is a problem with the cars, there should be multitudes of reports...
I would definatly think twice about trading your Odyessy in for an O5. I had a 2001 Odyessy and when the lease ran out 3 years later I was very ready to get rid of it because it was so uncomfortable on my lower back and even more so on driving for morethan 1 hr. (I do have a history of lower back problems but I am young and healthy so...) We bought a GMC Yukon because the seats are big, and what I thought and heard comfortable. Yes they are but after a while they become way too soft and uncomfortable, even consumer reports says this. Anyway after only having this SUV for 1 year I looked at new Odyessy and oh Gosh the pain came right back after driving for 10 minutes. The seat just does not feel right and hits my back at all the wrong places. I drove the Pilot as well for another longer recent test drive and it was a little better than Odyessy but still had the problem. You will see on previous posts that a lot of people have had back issues. I have no clue what we are going to do because the car that is most comfortable on my back after driving MANY cars is the Volvo XC90. I think its too small for 3 kids though. Good luck
As someone has already suggested get an emissions test done for a few bucks, and while you're at it get it tested on a dyno (is that the correct machine?) to see if you have the HP it is supposed to have. Get some hard data. I think we are all interested in seeing solutions if indeed there is a problem.
Update: What a great surprise. 3 hours after I dropped off my 2005 EX, Honda offered another EX as a replacement. Apparently, the service shop was unable to fix the door and instead, replace our "48 hours Ody" with another, brand new, off the lot. Good job Team Honda of Colorado Springs!
To update my prior posts, took car in yesterday for 3rd attempt to fix power sliding door rattle (passenger side). Each prior time the problem seemed fixed, then reappeared. Here is what they did, "Re-lubed subseals, moved and adjusted door striker to create a tighter seal to body." I intend to inspect the door to ensure that it is still flush on the outside. So far no rattle, but I'm not confident.
On another topic, our airbag light went on. Diagnosed as "no signal from right side impact sensor," so that sensor will be replaced.
Good luck to all "rattlers," and please continue to post your experiences, especially when van is serviced.
okay isellhondas, put your behind where your mouth is, come up to rockland county, NY for a couple of days and observe my driving habits...
fat chance you'll do that - far too easy to be a honda propagandist. I guess you and your buddy stevedebi figure if you blame the drivers often enough, there really cannot be a problem with the 2005 odysseys. wake up and visit the other honda forums - there are SCORES of drivers reporting miserable mileage.
As a Honda salesperson you should be outraged at Hondas abysmal approach to customer service.
I still wonder if the Variable Cylinder Management technology is working properly. When I looked at a EX Ody without the VCM, the EPA mileage was 17/20 I think. I was shocked. Then I realized it was a different engine. Seems to me the VCM is not working and people are getting close to what they would without it. Gas mileage seems close to Pilot with same engine without VCM (allowing for weight and AWD.)
GREAT posting! It is ALWAYS the fault of the owner / driver, a small glitch in a small number of vehicles and never the fault of the manufacturer. YES, the V6 Hondas have some MAJOR issues, but we have to be VERY careful in our "postings" not to offend the "people from Honda"! You are correct in your statement; ---"As a Honda salesperson you should be outraged at Hondas abysmal approach to customer service".
It's time to take a deep breath, a step back, and remember that accusations and assumptions of ANY kind concerning another forum member (yes...even if they are associated with a manufacturer) is inappropriate and off topic.
The best thing to do is just bypass those that irritate you. No one is going to find a solution to the issue by making it personal.
Just as I suspected, the dealer has suggested trading in my 04 for an 05. I have not yet even test driven the 05 to see if the driver's seat is more comfortable and will eliminate the back pain that I experienced in the 04. The other option may be to install the driver's seat from the Pilot into the 04 ODY LX. Again, I have not yet test driven the Pilot for comfort. Any comments on the 05 ODY seat or 05 Pilot seat for comfort? I need to make a decision quickly, so any advice would be much appreciated.
Not sure if it was on this forum or elsewhere that someone suggested having their uncomfortable seat re-upholstered? Seems to me that for the money that you would lose doing a trade-in or installing a seat from another model, someone could modify the existing seat to your liking?
That said, I'm not sure whether this kind of service actually exists and whether air bags etc. could cause a problem. What about the people who do aftermarket leather -- might start by checking with them about modifying the seat?
I do find it interesting that on a handful of issues -- mileage, rattling doors, and seat comfort, mostly -- there are a few folks who are really incensed about them and a lot of others who have no problems. I suppose that could be a reflection of statistical manufacturing failure, i.e. every so many vehicles there is one with a problem. But I would love to quantify the people who complain to see if there is anything similar about them. Without knowing the people it is hard to know whether it is a van problem or a people problem.
there are a few people that have reoprted having the seat re-worked by a custom upholstry shop. basically, they take the cover off, and reconfigure the foam, and probably remove the lumbar support bar. Supposedly made a huge difference for a couple of them, and for +/- $100, much cheaper than unloading an almost new car.
Not everyone's doors rattle (mine don't, and it would drive me unts). My mileage is below the sticker around town, but pretty much what I expected, although a couple more MPG would be nice. The seats are personal preference. I notice the lumbar bump, but it doesn't bother me once I get settled in.
I haven't taken a long trip since Chrismas time (1 week after we bought it), but will be travelling for Easter. It will be my first real chance to test highway MPG under normal conditions, and seat comfort on an extended drive.
SCORES of other drivers? Guess I haven't seen them.
Assuming you are a prudent driver something may, in fact be amiss. Usually when something is wrong performance will suffer too and your check engine light will come on.
I owned an 03 Pilot and traded in November for an 05 Ody. Both have the leather seats. At first I wasn't as comfortable as I was in the Pilot seat. The Pilot seat had a very firm and sporty feel--long drives were never a problem. The Ody took some time to "break-in" and now it feels just fine. If you have children, you can't go wrong in the Ody, but the Pilot is very nice too--it just didn't work out with 3 growing kids.
"SCORES of other drivers? Guess I haven't seen them.
Assuming you are a prudent driver something may, in fact be amiss. Usually when something is wrong performance will suffer too and your check engine light will come on." _____________________________________________
There are quite a few 05 Ody owners complaining about the gas mileage (odyclub.com). There are some that get very technical and some that are clearly obsessed and have no life. I have the i-vtec and haven't seen any bonus or boost in mileage, but it's not crazy-bad. It is a big vehicle and we have some hills around here and quite frankly I don't want to pamper the thing all the time for the benefit of saving .05 So let me say....I love my gas hog!
We have a 2003 EX (not leather) with 27,000 miles. Seats are fine, just particular on power adjustment settings versus lumbar support setting. When adjusted ok it is quite comfortable on long trips. Just went from Dallas to New Orleans and back (about 1,000 miles). Seat comfort was good, and got 25 mpg for whole trip (some in city driving). My wife normally gets 19-20 overall with mostly in-town driving. We have had no door issues at all.
For those who have seat comfort issues, suggest getting high quality (thick) sheepskin full covers. We did same on relatively uncomfortable seats in a Barretta some years ago. Difference was night and day.
Our only problems have been: light on clock went out, and; express window up/down stopped working (window still went up/down, just not express feature). Both fixed under warranty.
In my discussions with other Odyssey owners at work, etc., that seems the norm. Only one other mentioned "hard" seats. Everyone I've ever spoken with is extremely satisfied with the Odessey. I am not a Honda employee, just a water treatment engineer.
"Our only problems have been: light on clock went out, and; express window up/down stopped working (window still went up/down, just not express feature). Both fixed under warranty."
Back to my earlier question about why people complain (the van or the person?). Above is the kind of reasonable post that makes one believe that if this person became irritated at Honda, there would be a good reason. It contrasts with the posts I see here where a person has a problem (often one that is perception -- seat comfort -- or difficult to diagnose -- mileage) and right away we get the "I am so angry - never again Honda!" stuff. That kind of post makes me believe the person is likely more at fault than the van. You could interchange any make/model car and if the same thing happened, we would read, "never again [brand]!" It's a subtle point, but do others here read these posts the same way? If so, that might help explain why many times questions are raised about the complaint. It isn't that people are Honda apologists. It's just that we are reacting to what little "evidence" we have here.
I have an '05 Touring with 3,000 miles on it. I drive a combination of highway and city and I have been consistently getting around 21 mpg. I am quite pleased with such mpg - especially considering that my Ody is no lightweight - that puppy weighs in around 4,400 pounds! These days, that's a heavy vehicle. I don't "dog" my vehicles. Whenever possible, slow, smooth starts and stops and, I am also one of those very rare people who drive the speed limit.
So I was in a thread called "Honda Civic vs. Toyota Corolla" and look what I found in the most recent post (I deleted a little to shorten it). Guess mileage issues are epidemic!
"My question for the people with the Corollas. Why aren't you putting up a stink with a car getting 21 MPG let alone 12 MPG when your supposed to get a minimum of 32.
I just wish you would sue or call the media and make this a public issue. Because unlike what others say.
Toyota cares about their rep. Look at the sludge issue they now have a long warranty on the engines.
The media is probally your best bet.
By the way I read somewhere that bad MPG usually means a bad o2 sensor, pvc valve,or the timing could be off. 12-20 MPG is inexcusable and if anyone tells you differently they have no idea what they are talking about."
There are lot of complains about sliding door rattling noise in this forum and I would like to know if it happens all the time even while driving on a smooth road. My center tray rattles while on a rough road . Is it normal ?
I have a 2005 touring, it has 1250 miles and is currently getting 12.6 mpg in city/suburban (under 40 mile per hour) driving. This is so far below the 18-19 mpg for city driving (let alone suburban driving) that I am praying there is a engine firmware to fix the problem. I understand engine break in period but that usually give you something in the 10 - 15% range. I have friends with full size SUV's that avg this kind of fuel economy. I love the van otherwise but may have to give it up if this is real world.
I have a 1997 Odyssey with 177,000 . It runs great. Just had the timing belt replaced. I am having some trouble with the starter--taking it in tomorrow.
I own a 2002 Odyssey which has had the extra oil jet fitted (not electric pump as you stated in an earlier post). I am confident, and you probably should be too that this has addressed the issue. If your transmission had already suffered damage because of this problem then the digital photographs your dealer took of the transmission internals would have shown it and Honda would have replaced your transmission. Obviously it's your decision whether or not you sell your Odyssey, but I think you may be considering selling it unneccessarily.
"Usually when something is wrong performance will suffer too and your check engine light will come on."
Maybe Craig, but not necessarily so. I believe that OBDII systems will log 'pending codes' for a certain number of drive cycles. These indicate subsystems that are operating out of spec, but not far enough so to trigger the MIL (CEL). Translation: there could be real problems that are promoting poor gas mileage, the computer might have that data, but it might not meet the severity required to trigger the dash light.
You need to ask someone to hook up a scanner and read out the engine computer. As this is done as part of some of the state emission tests, it really would be a good place to start. Then you get a full reading of what is coming out of the tailpipe, plus a reading of what the engine computer is recording from it's own diagnostics. Armed with this (assuming is shows a fault), you are then equipped to do battle with Honda.
I was listening to radio today and there was an announcement about bad crash test results for 2005 Odyssey. They mentioned that in a crash test the doors didn't stay closed . Does anybody know about it.
The tests results were not "bad"--Ody received five stars-- but the driver's side door did open during the side impact test, which prevented the vehicle from earning the top recommendation achieved by Sedona, Quest, MPV, T&C and Caravan. Honda says they are looking into it.
You've made this argument before and I've responded to it. Your argument doesn't hold any water because I'm getting MPG at or above EPA estimates for all my other cars. Ody is the only one with a 30% below EPA estimate milleage!
I'm having the exact same problem on my Odyessy. All devices have sound in the wireless headphones except the DVD. I'm puzzled. If you find out anything I'd be interested. I've got a call into honda customer service.
I have Odyssey EX-L and while removing the center seat I noticed that the floor under the second row bucket seat on the passanger side (as described on the drivers manual page # 154)is missing. Am I supposed to buy that mat as an additional accessory?
Have you checked all the fuses? Too frequently, from what I've been reading at several forums, the fuse for the DVD is not put in at the factory-- and is missed too often in PDI.
The oil jet recall does not fix most Odyssey transmission problems. There is no extended warranty on 2002-2004. I hope the trans will last. But I do not have alot of confidence.
I also own an Odyssey with a 5spd trans. What I have found at other sites is that there is an extended warranty to 100,000 miles on only 1999-2001 models. NO extended on 2002-04. There seem to be many owners who get reduced price or free transmission repairs on later models as they fail. This is a secret warranty which may be illegal. Also, the oil jet transmission recall tries to fix the 2nd gear overheat problem which is not yet very common. But it does not fix more common failures.
About more common failures. Since dealers often fix a failed trans by replacing the whole unit, there are not many independent observations about what goes on inside a failed Odyssey transmission. Some believe that soft slow smooth shifts allow the clutches to slip for a long time. This will cause alot of clutch dust to wear off and clog the where trans fluid should flow. There is no filter that can normally be changed so clutch dust builds up and clogs the works and makes the trans slip or not shift. This way of failing is documented for the Acura TL and CL and is posted in copied Honda documents on NHTSA's site on car recalls.
Changing trans fluid may help some. I do not know if installing a trans cooler will make much difference. And it could even be installed wrong and cause more problems.
Camerauser; ---- This issue has been going on for years. How long does it take to come up with a proper solution? If it is a lubrication problem, provide more lubricant to that area of the transmission. If it is a "soft shift issue", raise the "main line pressure" in the trans, and give the unit "firm shifts". Have the Honda engineer lost their ability to design and trouble shoot problems? Thank you for your posting.
Funny part if the DVD works fine -- just not with the wireless headphones. I checked the 7.5v fuse for the DVD system in the secondary underhood fuse box and it was fine.
I have an '05 Ody EXL/RES with about 2300 mi on it. It started last week, this sound. After reversing, for example down the driveway, and then driving forward down the street it makes this brief grinding noise at about 10 mph-I think when it is shifting into 2nd. I can "feel" the sound in the accel pedal, too. It only happens after driving in reverse. Anyone have any ideas what it could be?
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The car drives nicely but it rattles in the sliding door area on both sides. Some rattle is due to weather, but some is not. It is quite annonying and please let me know if any one has experience with it
Uh, OK, except for those two owners, why aren't the others here complaining about getting 13.5 mpg?
I mean, if it is a problem with the cars, there should be multitudes of reports...
It sounds like not everyone is in your boat. Hopefully it'll improve with miles.
Nobody wants to hear this but DRIVING HABITS and CONDITIONS have a major effect on gas mileage.
There are many posts in this forum and others concerning the same or similar problem. You can email me if you want more info.
On another topic, our airbag light went on. Diagnosed as "no signal from right side impact sensor," so that sensor will be replaced.
Good luck to all "rattlers," and please continue to post your experiences, especially when van is serviced.
fat chance you'll do that - far too easy to be a honda propagandist. I guess you and your buddy stevedebi figure if you blame the drivers often enough, there really cannot be a problem with the 2005 odysseys. wake up and visit the other honda forums - there are SCORES of drivers reporting miserable mileage.
As a Honda salesperson you should be outraged at Hondas abysmal approach to customer service.
Where are Odys built? Alabama like Pilot?
The best thing to do is just bypass those that irritate you. No one is going to find a solution to the issue by making it personal.
That said, I'm not sure whether this kind of service actually exists and whether air bags etc. could cause a problem. What about the people who do aftermarket leather -- might start by checking with them about modifying the seat?
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2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I haven't taken a long trip since Chrismas time (1 week after we bought it), but will be travelling for Easter. It will be my first real chance to test highway MPG under normal conditions, and seat comfort on an extended drive.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Assuming you are a prudent driver something may, in fact be amiss. Usually when something is wrong performance will suffer too and your check engine light will come on.
Assuming you are a prudent driver something may, in fact be amiss. Usually when something is wrong performance will suffer too and your check engine light will come on."
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There are quite a few 05 Ody owners complaining about the gas mileage (odyclub.com). There are some that get very technical and some that are clearly obsessed and have no life. I have the i-vtec and haven't seen any bonus or boost in mileage, but it's not crazy-bad. It is a big vehicle and we have some hills around here and quite frankly I don't want to pamper the thing all the time for the benefit of saving .05
So let me say....I love my gas hog!
For those who have seat comfort issues, suggest getting high quality (thick) sheepskin full covers. We did same on relatively uncomfortable seats in a Barretta some years ago. Difference was night and day.
Our only problems have been: light on clock went out, and; express window up/down stopped working (window still went up/down, just not express feature). Both fixed under warranty.
In my discussions with other Odyssey owners at work, etc., that seems the norm. Only one other mentioned "hard" seats. Everyone I've ever spoken with is extremely satisfied with the Odessey. I am not a Honda employee, just a water treatment engineer.
Back to my earlier question about why people complain (the van or the person?). Above is the kind of reasonable post that makes one believe that if this person became irritated at Honda, there would be a good reason. It contrasts with the posts I see here where a person has a problem (often one that is perception -- seat comfort -- or difficult to diagnose -- mileage) and right away we get the "I am so angry - never again Honda!" stuff. That kind of post makes me believe the person is likely more at fault than the van. You could interchange any make/model car and if the same thing happened, we would read, "never again [brand]!" It's a subtle point, but do others here read these posts the same way? If so, that might help explain why many times questions are raised about the complaint. It isn't that people are Honda apologists. It's just that we are reacting to what little "evidence" we have here.
"My question for the people with the Corollas. Why aren't you putting up a stink with a car getting 21 MPG let alone 12 MPG when your supposed to get a minimum of 32.
I just wish you would sue or call the media and make this a public issue. Because unlike what others say.
Toyota cares about their rep. Look at the sludge issue they now have a long warranty on the engines.
The media is probally your best bet.
By the way I read somewhere that bad MPG usually means a bad o2 sensor, pvc valve,or the timing could be off. 12-20 MPG is inexcusable and if anyone tells you differently they have no idea what they are talking about."
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Glad to hear that my solution worked for you as well! (when in doubt, get a bigger hammer....)
Steve
Maybe Craig, but not necessarily so. I believe that OBDII systems will log 'pending codes' for a certain number of drive cycles. These indicate subsystems that are operating out of spec, but not far enough so to trigger the MIL (CEL). Translation: there could be real problems that are promoting poor gas mileage, the computer might have that data, but it might not meet the severity required to trigger the dash light.
You need to ask someone to hook up a scanner and read out the engine computer. As this is done as part of some of the state emission tests, it really would be a good place to start. Then you get a full reading of what is coming out of the tailpipe, plus a reading of what the engine computer is recording from it's own diagnostics. Armed with this (assuming is shows a fault), you are then equipped to do battle with Honda.
Steve
did the dealer say how they fixed the door rattle? If so, please let me know via post or email: olach@netzero.com thanks
Too frequently, from what I've been reading at several forums, the fuse for the DVD is not put in at the factory--
and is missed too often in PDI.
I also own an Odyssey with a 5spd trans. What I have found at other sites is that there is an extended warranty to 100,000 miles on only 1999-2001 models. NO extended on 2002-04. There seem to be many owners who get reduced price or free transmission repairs on later models as they fail. This is a secret warranty which may be illegal. Also, the oil jet transmission recall tries to fix the 2nd gear overheat problem which is not yet very common. But it does not fix more common failures.
About more common failures.
Since dealers often fix a failed trans by replacing the whole unit, there are not many independent observations about what goes on inside a failed Odyssey transmission. Some believe that soft slow smooth shifts allow the clutches to slip for a long time. This will cause alot of clutch dust to wear off and clog the where trans fluid should flow. There is no filter that can normally be changed so clutch dust builds up and clogs the works and makes the trans slip or not shift. This way of failing is documented for the Acura TL and CL and is posted in copied Honda documents on NHTSA's site on car recalls.
Changing trans fluid may help some. I do not know if installing a trans cooler will make much difference. And it could even be installed wrong and cause more problems.