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Hey, check out this guy's driveway - looks like he owns a Sequoia AND a Yukon. http://www.three-lakes.com/fsbo.html
My Yukon could beat up my Sequoia (if I owned one).
Engine burns up because of poor engineering and not covered by Toyota great warranty. $5000 to replace.
I hear Toyota is now considering offering free fire extinguishers with each vehicle.
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I love my Sequoia SR5. The only problem is that the dash has a slight rattle. It seem to be coming from just above the stereo on the flat part of the dash. If I push on the top of the dash, the rattle stops. Any one else have this problem. It is rather annoying since the rest of the car is so tight and quiet. It is under warranty but I do not feel like leaving the car for a day with the dealer until some other problem arises (if any).
I have to agree with one of your remarks "What's the point of comparing GM and Toyota transmissions?" The Toyota transmission is a play toy by comparison to the GMC Professional Grade transmission with 65 years experience. I know...aren't manufacturer's slogans fun?
714cut: no surprise at all about the passion of Toyota fans (being that I own a Toyota, I understand), its just rather entertaining to read how blind some folks are about both their own vehicle as well as the capabilities of other alternatives.
It never ceases to amaze me how others feel a need to denigrate another vehicle in order to feel better about their own. It does generate a healthy chuckle to read some of the "loyalty". In the end, good vehicles stay on the market because they meet the needs and expectations of the people that buy them. Bad vehicles end up on the ash heap of failed designs. All of the vehicles we are comparing are good vehicles that are likely to get better because consumers are willing to pay for them.
714cut: I look forward to the exchange on the towing data you're researching. I have to partially disagree with your view "You have pointed out some pros but AWD is generally regarded as inferior in many ways to 4WD such as no low range, lack of locking full time 4wd etc." I don't think it is at all accurate to suggest that AWD is generally regarded as inferior. I actually had my doubts having driven various traditional 4wd vehicles, however now that I have AWD, I would NEVER consider normal or auto4wd unless I was doing serious rock climbing (which I don't do).
By the way, I'm not sure what you mean by locking 4wd, since AWD provides 4wd all the time in all conditions unlike auto4wd which does not.
Regarding the Sequoia limited versus a fully loaded Yukon XL, I don't think there is any comparison from a price to value ratio or performance to price comparison. You get more bang for your buck in the loaded Yukon XL than the Sequoia. More power, more tow capacity, more space, more features, more luxury all for less money. A loaded Yukon XL is a hands down favorite over the Sequoia Lmtd which is reflected in the sales data.
You're definitely off-base in your following remark "I think your other numbers are off on Denali. As noted earlier a Denali XL in Canada is $7000 more than a Sequoia Limited." Just go to Edmunds pricing, take each of the 5 vehicles I compared (Yukon, Yukon XL, Sequoia Limited, Denali and Denali XL) and compare the Edmunds TMV pricing. Check it out for yourself instead of believing me.
You'll find a fully loaded Yukon for $40.5K, A loaded Yukon XL with every bell and whistle for $41K, a loaded Sequoia Limited goes for $42K, a Denali is $43K and the Denali XL is $44.5K. And keep in mind there are GMC Loyalty rebates of $1000 and various other discounts that most people qualify for like the GM Master Card which can reduce the final price by many thousands of $. And finally GM offers 0% financing which when added up clearly makes the GM F/S SUVS a better value for a better vehicle.
You bought your Denali using a GM supplier discount. You have personally gained from some relationship with GM and so you cannot be objective and have no credibility here.
That makes you a GM shill.
I will no longer respond to your boring ranting.
You ARE The Weakest Link, GOOD BYE!
Yes, I did engage 4wd occasionally, but most of the time with a limited slip rear diff there wasn't even a need for 4wd (although it was comforting to know I had it, if the trailer wheel got stuck in a prop wash foxhole). With the Denali XL AWD it is a case of no muss, no fuss the trailer just pops out of the water.
My boat weighs about 5500-6000 pounds and therefore I think is pretty representative of most boat experiences. I have also used many ramps from those on the Hudson, Toms River at the Jersey shore, Atlantic City, Cape may, The delaware River and various lakes in Pa.
A while back you told me that the answer to an engine governing problem on acceleration is to "Leave it in 4WD" and like it or not it was "the answer" to the properly working, but poorly executed, 2WD system. Wrong-o, the answer would be an off button, an override, a better design, a safer design. 4WD makes the problem go away (and thanks for that patch) but it doesn't fix the problem. That in my opinion (again, opinion) is an example of "Toyota is the best - you are wrong for thinking it could be better. " That was my #4195 reference.
Again, you have been helpful, but I am not going to kiss your feet in apology for saying some tongue-in-cheek words about you, or anyone else.
I wish I could have just stuck to my promise about no more postings, but dang it's so difficult. I still have to get back to pschreck about how much he hurt my feelings.
Just because the data doesn't support your irrational view that the GM is a lousy vehicle (which BTW has been nothing more than your opinion since you provide no data to support your views against the GM products) and that all consumers would be so much better in a Sequoia.
I, OTOH believe the Sequoia is a solid product that may suit the needs of many folks just fine. I also believe the latest generation F/S SUVs from GM have been significantly improved and based on sales and growth, many other consumers do as well.
GM has its issues and the Denali is certainly not perfect. I am disappointed with its second row leg room. I wish it had a Nav system like the Lexus. I also wish it had 4wd low, although I am not sure why other than its a nice insurance policy. I wish the rear bumper was better integrated into the body design instead of just tacked on, although I understand thats what provides a higher speed protection for this bumper design. I hate the placement of its parking brake.
Overall the Denali is a well-designed vehicle that meets my needs very well and the quality has been exceptional in the year I have owned it. I have no personal relationship w/ GM other than my company happens to have GM as a customer for some portion of its employee health insurance coverage of which I have no involvement and don't even know what they buy from us.
BTW, if I recall how the Weakest Link show works, its the person leaving the game that is identified as the weakest link. Given that you made the decision to no longer respond doesn't that mean you're the weakest link?
In Toyota's defense, they are sending the regional technical rep (or some similar title) to drive our Toyota this Tuesday. He is going to tell me if our Toyota is indeed "normal" or if perhaps the grinding of the VSC is a little more out of control than most. We have been very happy with the performance since the switch to 4WD all the time was made as suggested by the Minnesota poster (and you too Cliffy) a while back.
Another thing I forgot to mention that I do like about the Toyota is the full sized spare on a MATCHING ALUMINUM rim. Nice touch. Too bad we had to find this out because we had a defective rim that leaked air since the day we bought the vehicle (one of our Toyota warranty stops). Seems the rim was cast with a hole in it that leaked air. Toyota replaced the valves about 3 times before figuring that one out.
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I am having fun and it is an indication that these folks do live a good life if they get so concerned over such trivial issues.
My mom always said, "If that's your biggest problem, you are well off."
Post 990 Dated 12/13/01
"Brought my Denali back to the dealership with a printout of the information you provided and all of a sudden the flood gates (of honesty) opened up! The service manager fessed up to knowing about this problem. It turns out that there are quite a few problems around the country with the 4L65 HD transmission locking up (in other words, ours are not isolated cases!). They promised to have a "fix" in the near future, though I am a little skeptical after their less-than-honest ignorance of the problem on three days ago. I'll keep everyone posted! "
and from post: 979:
"I've got to agree with you about the quality control at the General. I love 'em but wish they would get their act together to compete with the Japanese in this area. Love the horsepower but wish the engine was as smooth as the Sequoia's. Thanks again larry!
Hope it helps!
However I would encourage anyone comparing the Sequoia to the Denali to spend time at both forums, test drive both vehicles and do their homework. Most folks after doing their homework will go for the Denali vs a limited Sequoia as indicated by the sales.
Just to make a point that regardless of what issues may be brought up, the Domestics are still sales leaders.
Official GM Press Release-12/03/01
GM Truck Sales Highlights
GM increased its industry truck leadership with 223,165 sales in November (up 37 percent), putting GM on pace to have its best truck sales year in history. For November, GM's industry-leading truck lineup was led once again by midsize utilities, full-size utilities and full-size pickups, which all maintained their strong sales pace. Sport utility vehicle (SUV) sales for the month (93,486) were exceptional giving GM an all-time industry calendar year record. GM's full-size utilities (46,757 units - up 36 percent over last year) dominated the industry once again in November led by the Chevrolet Tahoe and Suburban, GMC Yukon, Yukon XL as well as the all-new Cadillac Escalade.
GM's all-new midsize SUVs, the Chevrolet TrailBlazer, GMC Envoy, Oldsmobile Bravada and Buick Rendezvous continued their sales momentum, contributing to GM leading the industry in midsize utility sales for the second consecutive month. GM also expanded the gap in its leadership in full-size pickups in November (86,929 units sold - up 41 percent over last year) and is on pace for its best full-size pickup sales year since 1978.
<http://www.gminsidenews.com/11-01pronumbers.htm>
As for price, I am comparing web site to web site prices. Who knows how and when GM will be offering 0% financing or rebates? Similarly, Toyota may decide to do something to heat up the competition. Or as supply catches up with demand Toyota may be willing to deal more. Comparing web site to web site eliminates variables that can change and is more of a fair comparison. And that comparison say a Yukon Denali XL is $7000 more than a Sequoia Limited. In fact, I have an SR5 package "B". The difference between my vehicle and your Yukon Denali XL is approximately $15000.
Regarding 4wd vs. AWD, I was not stating one was better than the other. Obviously that depends on needs. I was simply saying that there are pros and cons to both. You pointed out some advantages, I pointed out some downsides. For example I think you'd agree if you were taking your vehicle off road or to a remote cabin, you would probably choose a vehicle with selectable levels of 4wd. Thus that would be a con for your Yukon.
Have any 02 Seq owners experienced this 'no power problem when in 2WD mode?
Last month I bought my wife a 2002 Sequoia. Since we've had it we have been very happy with it, with one exception. The other day I was driving down the road and had our dog in the back. I decided to roll the right rear window down to see how she liked the air. At the time I was doing about 35 MPH and there was no problem. As soon as I hit 46 MPH this noise started to build up inside the vehicle to a point it was getting painful. I had to roll up the window to stop it. After the ringing in my ears stopped I checked to see if it would do it again. Each time I hit 46 MPH it started and continued all the way down to around 30 MPH. It doesn't matter which rear window is down. Both do it. Not as bad if both are down though.
I took the Sequoia back to the dealership and drove the service writer, salesman, and service manager around to show them. They said they couldn't believe it and the service writer almost got sick from it. As a note, they installed the air defectors on my windows with no effect.
My question is has anyone else heard of this and if not could you try it in your own vehicle?
I would like to know. This is our 5th Toyota and the most expensive vehicle we've ever bought and I'm amazed that such a problem exists.
Any replies would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
You get a tone. You instead get a terrible noise.
I don't know in which state you live in but I would check to see if they have a lemon law like they do in NJ. In other words if the dealer can't fix the problem in 3 or 4 tries you can get your money back.
Good luck.
But it's the Holiday Season (everybody included) and I would like to take a moment to wish peace and good will to all.
HO, HO, HO (or whatever)
Seasons Greetings back to you!
There are other choices. Michelin make an Arctic Alpin in exact size but the tire is not rated as high.
The Bridgestones are very soft and only the top 55%(I think) is the actual tread good for ice, so it is critical to remove them as soon as possible in spring and put them on late as possible. Depending on mileage should get 3-4 seasons out of them.
They really are cheap insurance and what price for family safety? Go for it.
Instead of arguing with me on pricing why not simply check it out on Edmunds. You'll quickly find that the Denali is about $1000 more than a loaded Sequoia Limited (not the $7000 you are attempting to mislead readers with) and about $2500 more for a Denali XL. I would say thats a bargain when considering the additional luxury features, power and AWD you get with the Denali's.
I would agree that 4wd is preferable to AWD for serious off-roading although I do not consider a backroad trip to a cabin serious off-roading. BTW, were you intending to do some serious off-roading with that brand new shiney Sequoia?
Yukon Din.$47,355 msrp $41,527 invoice $42,572 tmv
Yukon Din XL-$48,890 msrp $42,874 inv.$43,898 tmv
Lets let the all the folks here decide which Yukon is closer in size, weight and price to the Sequoia Ltd 4wd and then be done with that issue.
Sequoia-203.9" length, Weight-5295 lbs
Yukon Din-198.9" length,Weight-5609 lbs.
YukonDinXL-219.3" length, Weight 5820 lbs.
Heatwave, these are the facts as Edmunds see it.They are the facts as most everyone else sees it. Tell me how 219.3" in length(Din XL is closer to 203.9" in length(Seq.) than 198.9"in length Yuk Din. Also, how is 5820 lbs.(Yuk Din XL) closer to 5295 lbs.(Seq) than 5609 lbs. (Yuk Din)??????? And by the way, you post so much here about the Yukon Dinali XL that I am beginning to think that that the banter on the General Motors board is boring you so you need to post here so you can expand your GM following. Rememeber this if anything, many of us have had and still own G.M. vehicles as well. Many have had there fill of GM quality and their products.
The fact that you don't like the numbers doesn't mean they are distorted or incorrect. Please check them out for yourself. Oh, and don't forget since I am only dealing with facts and with what I know, all my prices shown are in Canadian dollars.
The above post would seem to back my findings (when converted to Canadian dollars).
Wow, sure looks like you are twisting the facts based on recent postings.
Surely someone as fact based as yourself can see this.
I bought exactly the vehicle I needed. Your monster was too big. It was bigger than I needed. Why can't you understand that?
I could throw the argument back to you. Why do you have such a large vehicle? Do you have a large family? Do you need that much storage space? Sounds to me like you're the one that bought more vehicle than you needed.
The advantage of 4wd in the Sequoia is just as significant as some of the advantages in your monster.
I wonder why they didn't put 4wd in your monster?
Too bad.
You can get a Micheline 4x4 Alpin in the 265/70 size (at least in Canada) and Toyo makes a great winter tire called the observe which is also available in that size. The Toyo's are very quiet and excellent on ice. I prefer them to the Blizzaks (have had both).
Happy Holidays
The Sequoia Limited has less HP and weighs more than either the Yukon XL or the Yukon. It can only handle 6200lbs which is 2500lbs less than a Yukon XL and 2000lbs less than a Yukon. The Sequoia has a foot shorter wheelbase than the Yukon XL and yet its turning radius is the same as the Yukon XL and 4 ft wider than a Yukon which doesn't say much for its steering and front drivetrain design.
The Sequoia has a lower payload than both the Highlander and Sienna minivan and for that "priviledge" Toyota charges you twice as much for the Sequoia.
There is no comparison between the performance luxury and capabilites of a Denali compared with a Sequoia. A simple testdrive will prove the superiority of the Denali to anyone that goes out and drives a Sequoia Limited and than drives a Denali (or XL), get your best price from the dealer and you make the decision.
It would appear supporters of the Sequoia are embarrassed by the facts and challenged by the realities I've posted that can very easily be looked up here at Edmunds.
It's not always about specs. Ever notice in car magazines how they do a comparison and the 8 cars have similar specs yet one or two are superior cars-maybe they have less horsepower or torque!
There are a lot of intangibles in there-the "feel" of a vehicle. I drove all of the other vehicles including Yukon XL. Too big and I liked the feel of the Sequoia. You could have two engines the same horsepower and torque, yet one could be much smoother, technologically advanced and preferable to people. Yet on facts they could be the same specifications.
You need to realize that most of us here see your monster as a different vehicle, and obviously we prefer our Sequoias or else we would have bought a Yukon wouldn't we.
Using your analogy of comparison, why didn't you get a Lexus instead of an Avalon? Similar weight, horsepower, turning radius and only a couple of thousand dollars more. Or step up to something a little bigger? Oh, you didn't need something bigger? Gee, that's what happened when I bought my Sequoia!